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Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - NoDak - 04-07-2018 11:25 PM
Have often heard disparaging remarks about GCU and Liberty. How they gain massive online enrollment at little expense and their athletics become an advertising vehicle.
But look at Arizona State.
Their online advertising is everywhere.
They increased their enrollment to 100,000 with about 30,000 exclusively from online.
They have a goal of 125,000 enrollment in several years, with the increase coming mostly online.
Their reliance on state funding has dropped from 65% of the total to just 9% as they have increased their online %.
Arizona State is becoming wealthy due to their online presence.
Is Arizona State not knocked on the board and others because they are PAC12?
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - McKinney - 04-07-2018 11:30 PM
Arizona State is also a reputable research university, so no. And no it has nothing to do with their athletic conference.
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - AuzGrams - 04-07-2018 11:44 PM
Grand Canyon gets irrational hate on this board.
Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - Jjoey52 - 04-07-2018 11:45 PM
The state of Arizona seems to be a hotbed for this as ASU, GCU and the University of Phoenix are all in close proximity.
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RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - NoDak - 04-07-2018 11:49 PM
The reason I ask is that ND’s governor is pushing this model for UND and NDSU. The governor started an accounting software company from scratch (Great Plains Software),sold it to Microsoft where he continued as an executive. He has been a major promoter of making the state more efficient with more online content and online forms rather than a visit to a state office. He says UND and NDSU should take Arizona State’s path and increase their revenue.
UND already has extensive online courses, including engineering, sciences, nursing etc. There is a requirement that students take labs in the summer, when those spaces would normally be empty the the workload more intense but shorter. But those offerings would be more broadly promoted. Guess there is a need for an FBS team for more advertising.
Here’s the article reference. https://www.wday.com/news/education/4428461-burgum-touts-outside-funding-model-universities
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - otown - 04-08-2018 12:09 AM
It's interesting. ASU us taking it to the nth degree, keeping it all under its name, however a school like Colorado State University, who is trying to expand its online presence, is doing it under a completely different entity, CSU global.
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - CougarRed - 04-08-2018 10:11 AM
Have you seen some of the Arizona State sorority girls?
Nothing virtual about it.
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - DoubleRSU - 04-08-2018 10:27 AM
No they are not. They are still a large school with a ton of traditional students who will on campus. Liberty and GCU are faith based, private, and are known for being mostly online. Those 2 get the stigma, but ASU is a Pac12 school, who does online. Not an online school who does campus.
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - Curtisc83 - 04-08-2018 11:22 AM
(04-08-2018 10:27 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote: No they are not. They are still a large school with a ton of traditional students who will on campus. Liberty and GCU are faith based, private, and are known for being mostly online. Those 2 get the stigma, but ASU is a Pac12 school, who does online. Not an online school who does campus.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t know anything about LU. I’m not sure I could even have a convo about this with you based off your lack of knowledge. Things for you to google so we can have an intelligent convo.
What is accreditation and what type does LU have?
What it requires for a SACS school to have an online program vs what it requires for a school in AZ to have one with their accreditor.
When was LU founded?
When was TCP/IP invented.
What does TCP/IP have to do with the internet and is online college on the internet?
When was LU’s online program founded?
Does LU have a campus?
How many LU students live on campus?
Is LU a commuter school?
Is LU ranked as a reseach institute if so at what level?
What is the difference between a for-profit school and a non-profit school since both make money.
Is LU a for-profit or non-profit?
Is GCU a for-profit or non-profit?
I’m very curious if anyone will take the time to answer or just look up these answers. Or better yet answer some of them wrong based off preconceived ideas.
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - DoubleRSU - 04-08-2018 11:51 AM
I know Liberty is a real school, but outside of Virginia, you're known as an online school or that school that associated with Jerry Falwell. Liberty is probably a fine institution, but perception is reality.
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - Curtisc83 - 04-08-2018 12:14 PM
(04-08-2018 11:51 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote: I know Liberty is a real school, but outside of Virginia, you're known as an online school or that school that associated with Jerry Falwell. Liberty is probably a fine institution, but perception is reality.
Perception is reality which is kind of sad. There are schools that have horrible pasts and other schools that have recent coverups and scandals. But folks just forget about all that stuff because the school is part of the right conference and can carry or shoot a ball well. And then those same people are shocked that our long dead founder once said something messed up on TV after 9/11. Or there is a non-required non science course that is all about creationism. LU actually has done nothing damning. But some folks find anything to reenforce their biases against religious universities that arent religious in name only and aren’t their version of Christianity.
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - McKinney - 04-08-2018 12:34 PM
(04-08-2018 12:14 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:(04-08-2018 11:51 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote: I know Liberty is a real school, but outside of Virginia, you're known as an online school or that school that associated with Jerry Falwell. Liberty is probably a fine institution, but perception is reality.
Perception is reality which is kind of sad. There are schools that have horrible pasts and other schools that have recent coverups and scandals. But folks just forget about all that stuff because the school is part of the right conference and can carry or shoot a ball well. And then those same people are shocked that our long dead founder once said something messed up on TV after 9/11. Or there is a non-required non science course that is all about creationism. LU actually has done nothing damning. But some folks find anything to reenforce their biases against religious universities that arent religious in name only and aren’t their version of Christianity.
The advertising on Fox News is probably the most damning to Liberty's credibility. Well at least in New England.
Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - Jjoey52 - 04-08-2018 01:05 PM
(04-08-2018 12:14 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:(04-08-2018 11:51 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote: I know Liberty is a real school, but outside of Virginia, you're known as an online school or that school that associated with Jerry Falwell. Liberty is probably a fine institution, but perception is reality.
Perception is reality which is kind of sad. There are schools that have horrible pasts and other schools that have recent coverups and scandals. But folks just forget about all that stuff because the school is part of the right conference and can carry or shoot a ball well. And then those same people are shocked that our long dead founder once said something messed up on TV after 9/11. Or there is a non-required non science course that is all about creationism. LU actually has done nothing damning. But some folks find anything to reenforce their biases against religious universities that arent religious in name only and aren’t their version of Christianity.
I for one think Liberty is a fine school and wish them all the best, along with GCU.
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RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - Fighting Muskie - 04-08-2018 03:02 PM
(04-08-2018 12:34 PM)McKinney Wrote:(04-08-2018 12:14 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:(04-08-2018 11:51 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote: I know Liberty is a real school, but outside of Virginia, you're known as an online school or that school that associated with Jerry Falwell. Liberty is probably a fine institution, but perception is reality.
Perception is reality which is kind of sad. There are schools that have horrible pasts and other schools that have recent coverups and scandals. But folks just forget about all that stuff because the school is part of the right conference and can carry or shoot a ball well. And then those same people are shocked that our long dead founder once said something messed up on TV after 9/11. Or there is a non-required non science course that is all about creationism. LU actually has done nothing damning. But some folks find anything to reenforce their biases against religious universities that arent religious in name only and aren’t their version of Christianity.
The advertising on Fox News is probably the most damning to Liberty's credibility. Well at least in New England.
Doesn't it make sense for a conservative religious school to advertise on a network that attracts like-minded viewers?
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - DoubleRSU - 04-08-2018 04:16 PM
(04-08-2018 01:05 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:(04-08-2018 12:14 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:(04-08-2018 11:51 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote: I know Liberty is a real school, but outside of Virginia, you're known as an online school or that school that associated with Jerry Falwell. Liberty is probably a fine institution, but perception is reality.
Perception is reality which is kind of sad. There are schools that have horrible pasts and other schools that have recent coverups and scandals. But folks just forget about all that stuff because the school is part of the right conference and can carry or shoot a ball well. And then those same people are shocked that our long dead founder once said something messed up on TV after 9/11. Or there is a non-required non science course that is all about creationism. LU actually has done nothing damning. But some folks find anything to reenforce their biases against religious universities that arent religious in name only and aren’t their version of Christianity.
I for one think Liberty is a fine school and wish them all the best, along with GCU.
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I agree with that. Every college serves a purpose and it's up to the student to choose which school is right for them. Whether it be Liberty, Harvard, Upper Iowa, Delaware, Cal St LA, ITT Tech, or San Jones Community College.
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - McKinney - 04-08-2018 04:16 PM
(04-08-2018 03:02 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Doesn't it make sense for a conservative religious school to advertise on a network that attracts like-minded viewers?
I never said it didn't make sense, it does. It just paints Liberty University in a certain light when it's competing with not-so-reputable for-profit alternatives like educationconnection and the like for airtime. Maybe people up here are just too snooty. IDK. I've heard similar sentiment about secular online schools that also have a campus, like SNHU. Just calling it how I see it. You can't please everyone.
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - quo vadis - 04-08-2018 04:21 PM
(04-08-2018 11:51 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote: I know Liberty is a real school, but outside of Virginia, you're known as an online school or that school that associated with Jerry Falwell. Liberty is probably a fine institution, but perception is reality.
FWIW, until this thread, I had no idea that LU has a big online presence. They've always just been "Falwell's school" to me.
Now Arizona State? About a year ago, i was pretty stunned to be listening to my local sports-talk radio show here in Baton Rouge, and suddenly during the commercial break I'm hearing a chirpy co-ed voice start babbling to me about Arizona State University's online classes.
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - Curtisc83 - 04-08-2018 04:51 PM
(04-08-2018 04:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(04-08-2018 11:51 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote: I know Liberty is a real school, but outside of Virginia, you're known as an online school or that school that associated with Jerry Falwell. Liberty is probably a fine institution, but perception is reality.
FWIW, until this thread, I had no idea that LU has a big online presence. They've always just been "Falwell's school" to me.
Now Arizona State? About a year ago, i was pretty stunned to be listening to my local sports-talk radio show here in Baton Rouge, and suddenly during the commercial break I'm hearing a chirpy co-ed voice start babbling to me about Arizona State University's online classes.
As schools budgets become tighter they are going to seek out online for revenue. Before LU’s online program took off we were really on hard times financially. JFJR is actually trying to grow the endowment so LU will always be. He is doing all he can before he retires to leave LU better than he found it. I think that is pretty admirable myself. Below is a very recent quote from the LU forums (aseaofred) from JFJR. He sometimes posts on it.
“My goal is to leave Liberty with enough endowment to permanently sustain the resident program assuming annual earnings of only 3-4% on the endowment and an enrollment of about 16000. We should very soon hit that mark but, until we do, it is good practice to assume the worst case scenario while praying for the best. Worst case is the online world becomes very competitive and LU only breaks even there. Best case is the current prosperity continues for a long time. With an enrollment of 16000, we will reach our financial goals for the university in the next few years. Once that happens, any surplus can go toward rewarding the best and brightest faculty and staff even more than we are now, among other things.”
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - Curtisc83 - 04-08-2018 05:02 PM
Just so the info is out there LU is listed as having the 74th largest endowment out of the 818 universities listed by the NACUBO.
https://www.nacubo.org/-/media/Nacubo/Documents/EndowmentFiles/2017-Endowment-Market-Values.ashx?la=en&hash=E71088CDC05C76FCA30072DA109F91BBC10B0290
RE: Is Arizona State an online institution like Liberty and Grand Canyon? - mturn017 - 04-08-2018 05:14 PM
(04-08-2018 05:02 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote: Just so the info is out there LU is listed as having the 74th largest endowment out of the 818 universities listed by the NACUBO.
https://www.nacubo.org/-/media/Nacubo/Documents/EndowmentFiles/2017-Endowment-Market-Values.ashx?la=en&hash=E71088CDC05C76FCA30072DA109F91BBC10B0290
A huge portion of which was funded by thier online venture.
Liberty has made all the right moves though. They made a huge fortune off of online courses. And I don't want to disparage online study. It's a great avenue for people without the time for traditional college courses. But it is nonselective.
Liberty has heavily reinvested that money back into their campus and are able to offer tuition as a private institution that rivals the state schools. Thier on campus enrollment has skyrocketed and the student life there is good. They'll continue to grow in those regards. Sports is one aspect of that and they've been very aggressive in investing there too.