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RE: Superconference Scenarios - ken d - 02-12-2018 03:17 PM (02-12-2018 02:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:(02-12-2018 01:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(02-12-2018 01:11 PM)ken d Wrote: I don't believe we will ever have what one might call "superconferences" or "megaconferences". I think 18 is the limit, and depending on what Oklahoma and Texas prefer to do there might only be one of those. That was certainly my assumption. This would be a pretty good schedule for the Irish, IMO: Miami, UNC, Boston College, Wake Forest, Virginia, Stanford, USC, Navy, either Oklahoma or Texas (alternate years), Alabama or other SEC team and an FBS buy game. Not to mention some pretty good hoops, LAX and other sports. They could do worse. RE: Superconference Scenarios - TrueBlueDrew - 02-13-2018 09:40 AM Magnolia Conference: Duke, Wake Forest, Vandy, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Baylor, Tulane, Rice, SMU, TCU, Kansas SEC (East): Florida, FSU, UGA, Tennessee, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, NCST, VT, Kentucky, Louisville, Auburn SEC (West): Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Texas A&M, Texas, Texas Tech, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas St Big North Conference (East): WVU, Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, Penn State, Ohio St, Temple, Indiana BNC (West): Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Purdue, Northwestern, Nebraska Pac-12 stays the same RE: Superconference Scenarios - Nerdlinger - 02-13-2018 09:51 AM (02-13-2018 09:40 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: Magnolia Conference: Duke, Wake Forest, Vandy, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Baylor, Tulane, Rice, SMU, TCU, Kansas Whither Nebraska? RE: Superconference Scenarios - TrueBlueDrew - 02-13-2018 10:01 AM (02-13-2018 09:51 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(02-13-2018 09:40 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: Magnolia Conference: Duke, Wake Forest, Vandy, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Baylor, Tulane, Rice, SMU, TCU, Kansas I knew I forgot one. Edited. (Sorry UConn) RE: Superconference Scenarios - BePcr07 - 02-13-2018 10:19 AM Not necessarily superconferences but... Notre Dame goes a little further into ACC football by agreeing to join a division and play only 7 ACC games. Notre Dame may schedule the other ACC teams in OOC games. The divisions are realigned. In turn, the ACC gives Notre Dame full access to the ACC championship game based upon conference game win percentage. The ACC finalizes up to 16. The Oklahoma schools jump to the SEC. Texas heads west because Texas' ego gets in the way and the PAC is willing to let Texas maintain the LHN. The B1G does nothing. The XII expands from the AAC. The AAC disbands as the remnant merges with some MWC schools. PAC North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, Utah South: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech B1G West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue East: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers SEC West: Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St East: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina ACC Atlantic: Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami Coastal: Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia XIV West: Houston, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Navy (football only) East: Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida AWC (American West Conference) West: San Diego St, Fresno St, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado St East: Air Force, New Mexico, Tulane, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Army (football only) RE: Superconference Scenarios - TerryD - 02-13-2018 12:33 PM (02-13-2018 10:19 AM)BePcr07 Wrote: Not necessarily superconferences but... ND does not want this and the ACC will not agree to this. Other than that...... RE: Superconference Scenarios - goofus - 02-13-2018 12:48 PM Another interesting exercise could be instead of splitting into a P65 and G65, splitting into 4 groups instead. The Big 36 USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash, Ariz, Col, Tex, Oklahoma Kansas, Neb, Mizzou, Arky, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, ILL Mich, Mich St, Ohio St, Indy, Notre Dame, Penn St, Va, UNC Clem, Florida, Flor St, Bama, Auburn, Tenn, Ky, Ga, GT, Ole Miss, LSU, Texas A&M Middle 32 Ariz St, Cal, Stan, Utah ,Ore. St, Wash St, BYU, Boise St Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Okie St, Kansas St, Iowa St, Miss St, Pur Lou, Miami, VT, Duke, NCSU, S. Car, UCF, USF Rut, WV, Cuse, Pitt, BC, MD, UConn, Cincy Lower 24 Temple, NW, Wake, Vandy, Memphis, Tulane, ECU, USM AFA, Navy, Col St, New Mex, Hou, SMU, Tulsa, Rice UNLV, SDSU, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, Wyoming, UTEP NIU Bottom 38 SJSU, USU, NMSU, UTSA, Tex ST North Tex, Ark St, La Tech, La-Mo, La-La, USA, Troy, UAB FIU, FAU, Charlotte, ODU, MTSU, WKY, Marshal, Army Ga St, Ga So, Liberty, UMass, CCU, App St WMU, CMU, EMU, Ball St, TOL Akron, Ohio, Miami-OH, Buf, BGSU, Kent St Moving down to FCS: Idaho RE: Superconference Scenarios - YNot - 02-13-2018 06:26 PM (02-13-2018 12:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:(02-13-2018 10:19 AM)BePcr07 Wrote: Not necessarily superconferences but... It would be an interesting scenario if the Superconferences each split into 3 divisions in order to incorporate conference semifinal tournaments. The CFP becomes a Champs Only affair for the P4. In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule? Notre Dame could be eligible for the ACC tournament (and thus, ultimately the CFP) by winning its division (based on divisional record) - and not eligible for the ACC tournament wild card bid. The ACC divisions would rotate somewhat to accommodate Notre Dame's future ACC opponents. With the divisional rotations, you might actually create more opportunities for certain ACC teams to play each other more often than the status quo. Something like this: ACC 2021: NORTH: Notre Dame, at Florida St., North Carolina, at Virginia, Georgia Tech ATLANTIC: Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Louisville COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Duke, Syracuse (The Irish also play at Virginia Tech in '21) *If desired, Florida St. plays Atlantic schools in its cross-division games and UNC, UVA, and GT play mostly Coastal schools in their cross-division games. 2022: NORTH: Notre Dame, Boston College, Clemson, at North Carolina, at Syracuse ATLANTIC: Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville COASTAL: Duke, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh (Only the 4 divisional games scheduled in '22) *If desired, North Carolina and Georgia Tech play Coastal schools in their cross-division games and BC, Cuse, and Clemson play mostly Atlantic schools in their cross-division games. 2023: NORTH: Notre Dame, at Duke, at NC State, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville COASTAL: Miami, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia (The Irish also play at Clemson and at Louisville in '23) 2024: NORTH: Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami ATLANTIC: Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse (Only the 4 divisional games in '24) 2025: NORTH: Notre Dame, at Boston College, at Miami, NC State, Syracuse ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Pitt COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia (The Irish also play at Pitt in '25) So, despite playing in Notre Dame's division twice in five years, North Carolina would still play a mostly Coastal schedule and Florida St. would still play a mostly Atlantic schedule each year. RE: Superconference Scenarios - Nerdlinger - 02-14-2018 09:26 AM (02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote: In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule? First, this wouldn't happen before 2025. Second, I can't imagine any of the ACC football schools would want this. Random divisions are not practical or desirable. Third, I'm sure everyone would rapidly tire of catering to ND's every whim, if they haven't already. RE: Superconference Scenarios - TerryD - 02-14-2018 12:18 PM (02-14-2018 09:26 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote: In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule? As I said up thread, ND does not want this. Therefore, it is not a "whim" of the Irish, but rather message board fanboy fantasy. Name me some other alleged "whims", please, other than wanting to keep football out of any damn conference. RE: Superconference Scenarios - Nerdlinger - 02-14-2018 01:12 PM (02-14-2018 12:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:(02-14-2018 09:26 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote: In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule? If that hypothetical scenario were to take place, presumably ND would have had to agree on it. I think you're right in that they wouldn't actually agree. Setting aside hypotheticals, ND is a "special snowflake" that wants the benefits of being in a conference without having to fully contribute to the conference. That the ACC agreed to such a one-sided deal with ND in 2013 speaks to the conference's desperation at the time. If ND really wanted to keep football completely out of a conference, they wouldn't have agreed to the 5-game ACC schedule. They're over halfway in already, so they've conceded that full independence isn't feasible. They'll end up as a full football-playing member of a conference sooner or later, even if it's not the ACC. Since you consider yourself above your fellow "message board fanboys," it may behoove you to avoid paying any attention to realignment scenarios, especially if you think they might involve ND. They really seem to rile you up. RE: Superconference Scenarios - ken d - 02-14-2018 04:11 PM This is my one and only superconference. It consists of 8 divisions of 8 teams each. Each school will play a full round robin within its division, and only these seven games will count in determining the division standings. Each school will also play 3 conference opponents from outside its division. While these games will not count in determing division champions, they will be considered in seeding the 16 team conference tournament. The divisions, and the OOD opponents for each school, are: Alabama.............Ole Miss, Mississippi St, LSU Georgia..............Georgia Tech, Clemson, Oklahoma St Auburn...............Clemson, Georgia Tech, Arkansas Florida................Florida State, Miami, Ole Miss West Virginia.......Pitt, Virginia Tech, Maryland Tennessee...........Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Ole Miss Vanderbilt...........Duke, South Carolina, Northwestern Kentucky............Louisville, South Carolina, LSU LSU....................Alabama, Kentucky, Michigan St Oklahoma St.......Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Georgia Texas A&M..........TCU, Georgia Tech, Ohio State Kansas St............Kansas, Iowa State, Nebraska Mississippi St.......Alabama, Florida St, Clemson Missouri..............Kansas, Iowa, South Carolina Arkansas.............Oklahoma, Texas, Auburn Ole Miss..............Alabama, Tennessee, Florida Notre Dame.........Southern Cal, Stanford, Michigan Louisville.............Kentucky, North Carolina, Indiana Virginia Tech........NC State, west Virginia, Tennessee Miami.................Florida State, Florida, Penn state Pitt.....................West Virginia, Penn State, Rutgers Boston College.....Wake Forest, Rutgers, Maryland Syracuse.............Wake Forest, Rutgers, Purdue Virginia...............North Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke Clemson..............Auburn, Georgia, Mississippi St Florida State........Florida, Miami, Mississippi St South Carolina.....Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri Georgia Tech........Georgia, Auburn, Texas A&M NC State..............Virginia, Maryland, Penn State North Carolina......Virginia, Tennessee, Louisville Duke...................Virginia, Vanderbilt, Northwestern Wake Forest.........Virginia, Boston College, Syracuse Ohio State...........Wisconsin, Minnesota, Texas A&M Michigan St..........Iowa, Illinois, LSU Michigan..............Minnesota, Notre Dame, Wisconsin Penn State...........Pitt, NC State, Miami Indiana................Illinois, Iowa St, Louisville Maryland.............West Virginia, NC State, Boston College Rutgers................Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt Purdue.................Illinois, Iowa St, Syracuse Wisconsin.............Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan Iowa....................Missouri, Michigan St, Washington Nebraska..............Washington, Oklahoma, Kansas st Northwestern........Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt Minnesota.............Oregon St, Michigan, Ohio State Iowa State............Kansas St, Purdue, Indiana Illinois..................Purdue, Indiana, Michigan St Kansas.................Kansas St, Missouri, Colorado Oregon.................Utah, TCU, Wisconsin Stanford...............Notre Dame, Arizona St, Northwestern Southern Cal.........Notre Dame, Arizona, Utah Washington...........Utah, Iowa, Nebraska UCLA....................Texas, Colorado, Arizona St California..............Texas, Colorado, Arizona Washington St.......Utah, Texas Tech, TCU Oregon St.............Arizona, Texas Tech, Minnesota Oklahoma.............Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Nebraska TCU......................Texas A&M, Oregon, Washington St Utah.....................Washington, Southern Cal, Oregon Arizona State.........UCLA, Stanford, Washington St Texas....................California, UCLA, Arkansas Arizona..................California, Southern Cal, Oregon St Texas Tech.............Oklahoma St, Washington St, Oregon St Colorado................California, UCLA, Kansas The first and second place finishers from each division, based solely on the W-L record within their division, will qualify for the championship tournament. The first place finishers will be seeded #1-8 and the second place finisher #9-16. Seeding will be done by a committee, which will take the entire 10 game conference schedule into account. Seeds can be adjusted by one place up or down to prevent two teams from the same division meeting in the first two rounds. The 8 first round winners are guaranteed a spot in the NY6. The four highest seeded first round losers round out the field. The four second round winners advance to the semifinals, to be played at the Cotton Bowl and Peach Bowl. The finals rotate through all six NY6 sites. EDIT: The order of the teams within each division is not random. It is based on the average Sagarin strength rating over the last 8 years, after discarding each school's best and worst season. The strongest team in each division is listed first. RE: Superconference Scenarios - TerryD - 02-14-2018 05:53 PM (02-14-2018 01:12 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(02-14-2018 12:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:(02-14-2018 09:26 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote: In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule? They don't "rile me up". Most of them are ridiculous, though. No, I don't think that ND football will join a conference eventually. Only a P4 champs only setup will force ND fully into a conference, shotgun to forehead. I don't really think that will happen. You do. We just disagree. I also don't think that I am "above anyone". I am just pointing out that this kind of stuff is mostly message board fantasy, not reality. But, keep telling me how I think and feel and carry on....... RE: Superconference Scenarios - Transic_nyc - 02-20-2018 12:55 PM Chances of this happening are virtually nil but I have thought that one major basketball-focused conference on the East Coast is best for the region. Basically, merge the basketball-oriented programs in the ACC with the C5 of the Big East and add in former Big East all sports member except for USF, Miami, Cincinnati, Rutgers, West Virginia and Louisville. 13 members, 8 of which play football. UNC UVA Duke Wake Villanova Georgetown St. John's Seton Hall Providence Pitt Syracuse Boston College UConn The football league would be: UNC UVA Duke Wake Pitt Syracuse Boston College UConn This type of league would be best for their ambitions. They don't have to spend up for football, just have enough teams to fill in dates and then play opponents from the AAC, SEC, Big Ten, Notre Dame, PAC, Navy, Army, Air Force, leaving enough dates to play in-state or local rivals. Lacrosse would be a separate new league that has the ACC stalwarts + Cuse, Notre Dame, St. John's, Villanova, Providence, Georgetown and Marquette. Perhaps then UConn would move up men's lacrosse to varsity. What happens to the other sports of Marquette and Notre Dame? They would join a new sports league except for a few like hockey, lacrosse and football that is more regional in nature. Notre Dame Marquette Xavier Butler St. Louis DePaul Creighton Dayton Btw, Miami, Florida State, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech and Louisville go to finish filling up the SEC slots. RE: Superconference Scenarios - McKinney - 02-21-2018 04:50 PM I'm not sure if this has been shared on this thread yet or not, but I saw this on Twitter. https://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2017/11/30/putting-sanity-into-college-football/ GULF COAST CONFERENCE: Central Florida, Florida International, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Southern Miss, South Alabama, South Florida ATLANTIC SEABOARD CONFERENCE: Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Old Dominion, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Miami, Florida State, Florida Atlantic DEEP SOUTH CONFERENCE: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Tulane, Troy, Alabama-Birmingham, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette MISSISSIPPI VALLEY CONFERENCE: Arkansas, Arkansas State, Kentucky, Western Kentucky, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, Middle Tennessee, Memphis, Vanderbilt MID ATLANTIC CONFERENCE: Buffalo, Appalachian State, Virginia, VA Tech, Maryland, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, East Carolina, Louisville NORTHEAST CONFERENCE: Navy, Army, Temple, Marshall, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia, Boston College RUST BELT CONFERENCE: Cincinnati, Miami (OH), Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Purdue, Toledo, Ball State, Penn State, Pittsburgh GREAT LAKES CONFERENCE: Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Michigan, Michigan State, Eastern Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Ohio State, Akron, Indiana, Illinois MID AMERICA CONFERENCE: Colorado, Colorado State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Kent State, Bowling Green FRONTIER CONFERENCE: Wyoming, Air Force, Boise State, Utah, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, Brigham Young, Arizona, Arizona State, New Mexico, New Mexico State PACIFIC COAST CONFERENCE: USC, UCLA, San Diego State, San Jose State, Fresno State, California, Stanford, Hawaii, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State LONE STAR CONFERENCE: Texas, Texas A&M, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Texas Tech, North Texas, Rice, Texas-El Paso, Texas-San Antonio, Texas State RE: Superconference Scenarios - Nerdlinger - 02-21-2018 04:56 PM (02-21-2018 04:50 PM)McKinney Wrote: I'm not sure if this has been shared on this thread yet or not, but I saw this on Twitter. https://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2017/11/30/putting-sanity-into-college-football/ Now you have the right thread! The author made some weird choices. Kent State and BGSU separated from the other Ohio schools and in with the Big 8 schools? Also, the "Mid Atlantic Conference" is short a team. I assume they meant for Liberty to be #10. In any case, this won't provide a much better path for the CFP than the G5 schools currently have. They'll just get beaten up more. RE: Superconference Scenarios - McKinney - 02-21-2018 05:04 PM (02-21-2018 04:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: Now you have the right thread! Yeah had a bit of trouble there for a while. It's certainly not perfect that's for sure, but I like the concept of more regional conferences. There was a video I saw a while back about a guy who redid the NFL conferences/divisions to be more regional, I wonder if the same algorithm he used has been used for college football. RE: Superconference Scenarios - Nerdlinger - 02-21-2018 06:02 PM (02-21-2018 04:50 PM)McKinney Wrote: I'm not sure if this has been shared on this thread yet or not, but I saw this on Twitter. https://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2017/11/30/putting-sanity-into-college-football/ Same principle, but better alignment IMO: ACC: Appalachian State, Charlotte, Clemson, Duke, East Carolina, NC State, North Carolina, Old Dominion, South Carolina, Wake Forest American: Army, Boston College, Buffalo, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Navy, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia Big 10: Akron, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Toledo, Western Michigan Big 12: Ball State, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Missouri, Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Purdue, Wisconsin Big Central: Air Force, Colorado, Colorado State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa, Wyoming CUSA: Arkansas, Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Tulane MAC: Cincinnati, Kentucky, Liberty, Louisville, Marshall, Maryland, Miami-OH, Ohio, Virginia, Virginia Tech MWC: Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State, BYU, Nevada, New Mexico, New Mexico State, UNLV, Utah, Utah State Pac-12: California, Fresno State, Hawaii, Oregon, Oregon State, San Diego State, San Jose State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Memphis, Middle Tennessee, South Alabama, Tennessee, Troy, UAB, Vanderbilt, Western Kentucky Sun Belt: Central Florida, Coastal Carolina, FAU, FIU, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, South Florida SWC: Baylor, Houston, North Texas, Rice, SMU, TCU, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas State, Texas Tech, UTEP, UTSA The only ones I kept the same are the Pac-12/Pacific Coast and SWC/Lone Star. No alignment is ever perfect, of course. There would still be some annual interconference matchups, among them: Appalachian State/Georgia Southern Army/Air Force Auburn/Georgia Navy/Air Force Navy/Notre Dame North Carolina/Virginia Notre Dame/USC Oklahoma/Texas |