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Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - FloridaJag - 01-11-2018 10:07 AM

"I think (eight teams is) where it's going," Malzahn said. "We'll see what happens, but I'd personally like to see it."


http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2018/01/gus_malzahn_8-team_playoff_bea.html#incart_river_home_pop

It looks like the 8 team playoff is on the way.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - eltigre - 01-11-2018 10:10 AM

If we had 8 this year, the committee would have ranked UCF at # 9. It's rigged now and will be rigged at 8.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - CliftonAve - 01-11-2018 10:14 AM

(01-11-2018 10:10 AM)eltigre Wrote:  If we had 8 this year, the committee would have ranked UCF at # 9. It's rigged now and will be rigged at 8.

This. There needs to be a G5 guarantee* if they go to 8.

* with condition that undefeated G5 gets an automatic bid. If they have one loss or more can still gain bid if they are ranked in the top 8 by the playoff committee.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - FloridaJag - 01-11-2018 10:17 AM

(01-11-2018 10:10 AM)eltigre Wrote:  If we had 8 this year, the committee would have ranked UCF at # 9. It's rigged now and will be rigged at 8.

I disagree. We would have seen UCF in the playoff with Auburn and Ohio State.

I think it would remain that way for quite awhile with autobids to the P5 Conference Champs. Then the highest ranking G5 Conference Champs with the playoff committee determining the last two participants


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - HeartOfDixie - 01-11-2018 10:26 AM

Auto-bids are a fantasy.

I agree with the sentiment that the 8 will be massaged to make sure they receive the highest ratings.

Then again, I said that same thing about going to 4.

No matter how many teams you expand to you will always have the people outside looking in and complaining.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - MWC Tex - 01-11-2018 10:43 AM

(01-11-2018 10:26 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Auto-bids are a fantasy.

I agree with the sentiment that the 8 will be massaged to make sure they receive the highest ratings.

Then again, I said that same thing about going to 4.

No matter how many teams you expand to you will always have the people outside looking in and complaining.

That will be most likely happen even though PAC and Big 10 commissioners have stated that any expansion will be only accepted by auto-bids.
But if the P5 champs are 'massaged' in the rankings then they for the majority of the time will be ranked in the top 8.

The Final CFP ranking had USC at #8 so yeah...all the P5 champs will be in there 19 of 20 times and that may be enough for Larry Scott to be on board for expansion without auto-bids.

They'll stick with the best 8 but it would at least be a lower and more manageable threshold for the G5 conference to achieve a #8 ranking.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - ohio1317 - 01-11-2018 10:49 AM

Strongly, strongly opposed and think very small chance we do not finish out the 12 year contract.

With that said, if we get 8 teams at some point, I think people are looking at the Group of 5 spot wrong. People are arguing for and against a guarenteed spot, but I think there will be something in the middle. The most likely outcome in my view would be they would have the highest Group of 5 champion (or possibly independent) in if they are either ranked above a power 5 conference champ or are in top 12/14. That's basically what the BCS did, and I think would be similar here. They are not going to put the Group of 5 champ in if they are a 2 loss team barely in the top 25 (like Boise State the first year of the CFP).

There's also the question of how they deal with independents and I have not seen a lot of talk on that. If the Group of 5 and Power 5 conferences have a spot they can get, while not being in the top 8, then independents would be the only teams without that possibility and, if fact, would probably have to make top 5/6 or so most years to account for other teams below them getting in. Notre Dame is going to either push hard for no auto-bids at all (so they can get in at #8) or want to be included in one. While appeasing Notre Dame is not absolutely necessary, they have a seat at the table here and contrary to popular belief, the rest the conferences really are not pushing the Irish into a conference (outside their own, they would rather Notre Dame be independent than play in a rival conference). I see three ways they could handle this.

1. Independents are guarenteed a spot in if in top 8. The logic here is that independents cannot win or lose a conference and thus if they are in the top 8 (the teams that would be in if we ignored conference championships), they should be in. Unlike others, they could neither get in ranked less than 8 and never be left out if in the top 8.

2. Independents and Group of 5 share a spot. They might or might not have the same rules for getting it (maybe independents have to be in top 10 to take, while Group of 5 could be top 14).

3. No compromise from the other powers and independents treated as just an at large. Mostly likely, especially if highest Group of 5 champ given a way in, this would effectively mean independents would probably have to be in the top 6 or so most years to get in. I don't really think this would push the Irish anywhere, but they would push against it strongly.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - BadgerMJ - 01-11-2018 10:52 AM

(01-11-2018 10:07 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  "I think (eight teams is) where it's going," Malzahn said. "We'll see what happens, but I'd personally like to see it."


http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2018/01/gus_malzahn_8-team_playoff_bea.html#incart_river_home_pop

It looks like the 8 team playoff is on the way.

Not necessarily.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21996724/cfp-committee-unanimously-opposed-expanding-4-teams-now

I doubt that the committee will pull an E.F. Hutton when Gus speaks.

If (and that's a big IF) it expands, it won't be until the next round of conference contracts are signed (2024-25).


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - ohio1317 - 01-11-2018 10:53 AM

As for myself, I think we finish out the contract and hope we see no changes. If there is change, I think people are under-estimating the chance at 5/6 with no auto-bids (if we get to 8, there will be auto-bids). They are going to be very protective of the regular season and 8 would be a lot bigger change.

Edit: Last point, coach speak means about nothing. They have no power here, just like in realignment. The people with all the power here are a level (AD) or two (president) above them.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - BadgerMJ - 01-11-2018 10:55 AM

(01-11-2018 10:14 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:10 AM)eltigre Wrote:  If we had 8 this year, the committee would have ranked UCF at # 9. It's rigged now and will be rigged at 8.

This. There needs to be a G5 guarantee* if they go to 8.

* with condition that undefeated G5 gets an automatic bid. If they have one loss or more can still gain bid if they are ranked in the top 8 by the playoff committee.

Absolutely not.

If you think the weeping and gnashing of teeth is bad now, just wait until you have a couple of the little 5 "champs" all laying claim to being the best of the rest. It might have been clear cut THIS YEAR, but not so much in others.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - MWC Tex - 01-11-2018 11:01 AM

(01-11-2018 10:53 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  As for myself, I think we finish out the contract and hope we see no changes. If there is change, I think people are under-estimating the chance at 5/6 with no auto-bids (if we get to 8, there will be auto-bids). They are going to be very protective of the regular season and 8 would be a lot bigger change.

Edit: Last point, coach speak means about nothing. They have no power here, just like in realignment. The people with all the power here are a level (AD) or two (president) above them.

I have thought that any expansion would include auto-bids, but know I think that if any expansion is going to happen there won't be any auto-bid since pretty much all the P5 champs will be in the top 8 95% of the time. It leaves more room for a G5 school to qualify, but it would at least prevent giving an auto-bid for a G5.

However, if there are going to be auto-bids then the top G5 champ gets an auto bid. It is the only way that having auto-bid can happen, I believe.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - FloridaJag - 01-11-2018 11:05 AM

(01-11-2018 10:49 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Strongly, strongly opposed and think very small chance we do not finish out the 12 year contract.

With that said, if we get 8 teams at some point, I think people are looking at the Group of 5 spot wrong. People are arguing for and against a guarenteed spot, but I think there will be something in the middle. The most likely outcome in my view would be they would have the highest Group of 5 champion (or possibly independent) in if they are either ranked above a power 5 conference champ or are in top 12/14. That's basically what the BCS did, and I think would be similar here. They are not going to put the Group of 5 champ in if they are a 2 loss team barely in the top 25 (like Boise State the first year of the CFP).

There's also the question of how they deal with independents and I have not seen a lot of talk on that. If the Group of 5 and Power 5 conferences have a spot they can get, while not being in the top 8, then independents would be the only teams without that possibility and, if fact, would probably have to make top 5/6 or so most years to account for other teams below them getting in. Notre Dame is going to either push hard for no auto-bids at all (so they can get in at #8) or want to be included in one. While appeasing Notre Dame is not absolutely necessary, they have a seat at the table here and contrary to popular belief, the rest the conferences really are not pushing the Irish into a conference (outside their own, they would rather Notre Dame be independent than play in a rival conference). I see three ways they could handle this.

1. Independents are guarenteed a spot in if in top 8. The logic here is that independents cannot win or lose a conference and thus if they are in the top 8 (the teams that would be in if we ignored conference championships), they should be in. Unlike others, they could neither get in ranked less than 8 and never be left out if in the top 8.

2. Independents and Group of 5 share a spot. They might or might not have the same rules for getting it (maybe independents have to be in top 10 to take, while Group of 5 could be top 14).

3. No compromise from the other powers and independents treated as just an at large. Mostly likely, especially if highest Group of 5 champ given a way in, this would effectively mean independents would probably have to be in the top 6 or so most years to get in. I don't really think this would push the Irish anywhere, but they would push against it strongly.


The question has already been answered about ND/Independents.

All the P5 champs plus the highest ranking G5. If Notre Dame is rated higher than the next two P5 runner ups then ND gets a playoff berth.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - FloridaJag - 01-11-2018 11:08 AM

(01-11-2018 11:01 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:53 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  As for myself, I think we finish out the contract and hope we see no changes. If there is change, I think people are under-estimating the chance at 5/6 with no auto-bids (if we get to 8, there will be auto-bids). They are going to be very protective of the regular season and 8 would be a lot bigger change.

Edit: Last point, coach speak means about nothing. They have no power here, just like in realignment. The people with all the power here are a level (AD) or two (president) above them.

I have thought that any expansion would include auto-bids, but know I think that if any expansion is going to happen there won't be any auto-bid since pretty much all the P5 champs will be in the top 8 95% of the time. It leaves more room for a G5 school to qualify, but it would at least prevent giving an auto-bid for a G5.

However, if there are going to be auto-bids then the top G5 champ gets an auto bid. It is the only way that having auto-bid can happen, I believe.

It's going to happen.

"Neither a Fortress nor a Maidenhead will hold out long after they begin to parley."

Benjamin Franklin



RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - Carolina_Low_Country - 01-11-2018 11:14 AM

I dont understand the whole protect the regular season thing? If you win your conference and you are in the regular season is still very important. Also there are the at-large spots that are important as well which keeps the regular season as an importance. You would still want to win all your games as there is a chance you could lose the conference championship and want to be able to get the at-large spot.

Needs to be:
ACC Champ
BIG Champ
B12 Champ
SEC Champ
PAC Champ
G5 Champ
At-Large
At-Large

First Round week after conference championship played on campus. This year;
8 UCF @ 1 Clemson
Winners Play in Sugar Bowl
5 Ohio State @ 4 Alabama

6 Wisconsin @ 3 Georgia
Winners Play in Rose Bowl
7 USC @ 2 Oklahoma

The four losers still go and play in NY6 Bowls.
So this year would have been:
Cotton Bowl
10 Penn State vs 7 USC/Oklahoma Loser

Fiesta Bowl
12 Washington vs. Alabama/Ohio State Loser

Orange Bowl
11 Miami vs Wisconsin/Georgia Loser

Peach Bowl
9 Auburn vs Clemson/UCF Loser


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - JRsec - 01-11-2018 11:17 AM

(01-11-2018 10:07 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  "I think (eight teams is) where it's going," Malzahn said. "We'll see what happens, but I'd personally like to see it."


http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2018/01/gus_malzahn_8-team_playoff_bea.html#incart_river_home_pop

It looks like the 8 team playoff is on the way.

That's because our head coach is a one trick pony and wants job security. Auburn was stupid to retain him for 7 million a year. He acts, thinks, and utilizes players like the high school coach he is.

He is so inept that he runs a scheme that requires a very concentrate set of skills, but he has yet to recruit a QB with those skill sets. Instead he has to find them by transfer.

We aren't going to 8 teams. The conferences don't want it because they would have to give up highly profitable CCGs to get there.

The presidents are against it because it screws up the academic calendar.

Most head coaches with a brain don't want it because it cuts down even more recovery time for injured players and cuts out their bye weeks in which they regroup and retool mid season, not to mention the time they have to get some players over injuries.

The players don't want it because it is just one more opportunity for a NFL ending injury.

And ESPN doesn't want it and said so this week, because they claim it diminishes the value of the regular season games, and what they didn't say was because it takes quality teams out of the bowls (to which they have purchased the rights).

So forget it. It's not happening. And Gus is just enjoying running his mouth since he got to be a go to color guy for the national championship game.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - HeartOfDixie - 01-11-2018 11:20 AM

(01-11-2018 11:14 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I dont understand the whole protect the regular season thing? If you win your conference and you are in the regular season is still very important. Also there are the at-large spots that are important as well which keeps the regular season as an importance. You would still want to win all your games as there is a chance you could lose the conference championship and want to be able to get the at-large spot.

Needs to be:
ACC Champ
BIG Champ
B12 Champ
SEC Champ
PAC Champ
G5 Champ
At-Large
At-Large

First Round week after conference championship played on campus. This year;
8 UCF @ 1 Clemson
Winners Play in Sugar Bowl
5 Ohio State @ 4 Alabama

6 Wisconsin @ 3 Georgia
Winners Play in Rose Bowl
7 USC @ 2 Oklahoma

There just isn't a compelling reason why that G5 Champ should be in there.

I could see them being an at-large team but not an automatic.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - Wedge - 01-11-2018 11:20 AM

(01-11-2018 10:53 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  As for myself, I think we finish out the contract and hope we see no changes. If there is change, I think people are under-estimating the chance at 5/6 with no auto-bids (if we get to 8, there will be auto-bids). They are going to be very protective of the regular season and 8 would be a lot bigger change.

Edit: Last point, coach speak means about nothing. They have no power here, just like in realignment. The people with all the power here are a level (AD) or two (president) above them.

TV has the power to expand or not expand the playoff.

A few years ago, when the NCAA was negotiating the CBS/Turner extension of the March Madness TV contract, the possibility of a 96-team tournament (also pushed by coaches) was raised. It didn't happen because CBS and Turner were not willing to pay 30% more for 30% more teams. They offered only a tiny bit more than what they're paying for 68 teams.

It will be similar for college football. The CFP isn't going to expand beyond 4 teams unless the TV guys offer a lot more money for a larger playoff than they offer for a 4-team playoff.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - BadgerMJ - 01-11-2018 11:58 AM

(01-11-2018 11:05 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:49 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Strongly, strongly opposed and think very small chance we do not finish out the 12 year contract.

With that said, if we get 8 teams at some point, I think people are looking at the Group of 5 spot wrong. People are arguing for and against a guarenteed spot, but I think there will be something in the middle. The most likely outcome in my view would be they would have the highest Group of 5 champion (or possibly independent) in if they are either ranked above a power 5 conference champ or are in top 12/14. That's basically what the BCS did, and I think would be similar here. They are not going to put the Group of 5 champ in if they are a 2 loss team barely in the top 25 (like Boise State the first year of the CFP).

There's also the question of how they deal with independents and I have not seen a lot of talk on that. If the Group of 5 and Power 5 conferences have a spot they can get, while not being in the top 8, then independents would be the only teams without that possibility and, if fact, would probably have to make top 5/6 or so most years to account for other teams below them getting in. Notre Dame is going to either push hard for no auto-bids at all (so they can get in at #8) or want to be included in one. While appeasing Notre Dame is not absolutely necessary, they have a seat at the table here and contrary to popular belief, the rest the conferences really are not pushing the Irish into a conference (outside their own, they would rather Notre Dame be independent than play in a rival conference). I see three ways they could handle this.

1. Independents are guarenteed a spot in if in top 8. The logic here is that independents cannot win or lose a conference and thus if they are in the top 8 (the teams that would be in if we ignored conference championships), they should be in. Unlike others, they could neither get in ranked less than 8 and never be left out if in the top 8.

2. Independents and Group of 5 share a spot. They might or might not have the same rules for getting it (maybe independents have to be in top 10 to take, while Group of 5 could be top 14).

3. No compromise from the other powers and independents treated as just an at large. Mostly likely, especially if highest Group of 5 champ given a way in, this would effectively mean independents would probably have to be in the top 6 or so most years to get in. I don't really think this would push the Irish anywhere, but they would push against it strongly.


The question has already been answered about ND/Independents.

All the P5 champs plus the highest ranking G5. If Notre Dame is rated higher than the next two P5 runner ups then ND gets a playoff berth.

There's no way the powers that be will agree to a G5 autobid over ND.

The networks will never agree to taking a 2 loss Boise (for example) over a 2 loss ND in the playoffs. I'd venture to say that with ND's relationship with the ACC that they'd be in that camp as well.

IF the playoff would expand to 8, the best you'd see is either the committee placing 8 teams or P5 autobids with 3 wild cards.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - FloridaJag - 01-11-2018 12:00 PM

(01-11-2018 11:17 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:07 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  "I think (eight teams is) where it's going," Malzahn said. "We'll see what happens, but I'd personally like to see it."


http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2018/01/gus_malzahn_8-team_playoff_bea.html#incart_river_home_pop

It looks like the 8 team playoff is on the way.

That's because our head coach is a one trick pony and wants job security. Auburn was stupid to retain him for 7 million a year. He acts, thinks, and utilizes players like the high school coach he is.

He is so inept that he runs a scheme that requires a very concentrate set of skills, but he has yet to recruit a QB with those skill sets. Instead he has to find them by transfer.

We aren't going to 8 teams. The conferences don't want it because they would have to give up highly profitable CCGs to get there.

The presidents are against it because it screws up the academic calendar.

Most head coaches with a brain don't want it because it cuts down even more recovery time for injured players and cuts out their bye weeks in which they regroup and retool mid season, not to mention the time they have to get some players over injuries.

The players don't want it because it is just one more opportunity for a NFL ending injury.

And ESPN doesn't want it and said so this week, because they claim it diminishes the value of the regular season games, and what they didn't say was because it takes quality teams out of the bowls (to which they have purchased the rights).

So forget it. It's not happening. And Gus is just enjoying running his mouth since he got to be a go to color guy for the national championship game.

The CCGs don't go away. The schools go back to playing 11 game regular season schedules.

The division winners play for the conference championship.

Therefore, only the National championship teams play 15 games.
The conference runner ups play in bowls - 13 games.
The best of the rest only play 12 games including a bowl game.

The diminishing the regular season "crap" is them saying we don't want to pay more for this better package and results.

Let's be real. The regular season is a playoff and always has been. The goal is to get to playoffs. 8 teams means more interest and chances to get into the playoffs.

That is why the NFL added wild cards and MLB expanded its playoff.


RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff - FloridaJag - 01-11-2018 12:07 PM

(01-11-2018 11:58 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:05 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:49 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Strongly, strongly opposed and think very small chance we do not finish out the 12 year contract.

With that said, if we get 8 teams at some point, I think people are looking at the Group of 5 spot wrong. People are arguing for and against a guarenteed spot, but I think there will be something in the middle. The most likely outcome in my view would be they would have the highest Group of 5 champion (or possibly independent) in if they are either ranked above a power 5 conference champ or are in top 12/14. That's basically what the BCS did, and I think would be similar here. They are not going to put the Group of 5 champ in if they are a 2 loss team barely in the top 25 (like Boise State the first year of the CFP).

There's also the question of how they deal with independents and I have not seen a lot of talk on that. If the Group of 5 and Power 5 conferences have a spot they can get, while not being in the top 8, then independents would be the only teams without that possibility and, if fact, would probably have to make top 5/6 or so most years to account for other teams below them getting in. Notre Dame is going to either push hard for no auto-bids at all (so they can get in at #8) or want to be included in one. While appeasing Notre Dame is not absolutely necessary, they have a seat at the table here and contrary to popular belief, the rest the conferences really are not pushing the Irish into a conference (outside their own, they would rather Notre Dame be independent than play in a rival conference). I see three ways they could handle this.

1. Independents are guarenteed a spot in if in top 8. The logic here is that independents cannot win or lose a conference and thus if they are in the top 8 (the teams that would be in if we ignored conference championships), they should be in. Unlike others, they could neither get in ranked less than 8 and never be left out if in the top 8.

2. Independents and Group of 5 share a spot. They might or might not have the same rules for getting it (maybe independents have to be in top 10 to take, while Group of 5 could be top 14).

3. No compromise from the other powers and independents treated as just an at large. Mostly likely, especially if highest Group of 5 champ given a way in, this would effectively mean independents would probably have to be in the top 6 or so most years to get in. I don't really think this would push the Irish anywhere, but they would push against it strongly.


The question has already been answered about ND/Independents.

All the P5 champs plus the highest ranking G5. If Notre Dame is rated higher than the next two P5 runner ups then ND gets a playoff berth.

There's no way the powers that be will agree to a G5 autobid over ND.

The networks will never agree to taking a 2 loss Boise (for example) over a 2 loss ND in the playoffs. I'd venture to say that with ND's relationship with the ACC that they'd be in that camp as well.

IF the playoff would expand to 8, the best you'd see is either the committee placing 8 teams or P5 autobids with 3 wild cards.

Does that actually apply if ND has a 5 win 7 loss record?

At the end of the season Central Florida was ranked #12 and Notre Dame was #14.

Assuming 8 teams in this year's playoff, why would ND leap frog the other four P5 schools?

Your reasoning is flawed.