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RE: NEW stadium construction - ODUODUODU - 12-22-2017 01:17 PM
(12-22-2017 12:38 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:(12-22-2017 12:28 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote: Forman Field is not safe!!!! Cracks aplenty. The structure must be replaced.
Do you really think they would continue to hold games there if it wasn’t safe? Of course it will get to that point, but I doubt if we wait another year or two. Things have to be done right the first time. It amazes me how complacent and lazy this is.
The cracks I have seen tell me it is at it end of life...
RE: NEW stadium construction - jasdf - 12-22-2017 01:19 PM
(12-22-2017 01:17 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote:(12-22-2017 12:38 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:(12-22-2017 12:28 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote: Forman Field is not safe!!!! Cracks aplenty. The structure must be replaced.
Do you really think they would continue to hold games there if it wasn’t safe? Of course it will get to that point, but I doubt if we wait another year or two. Things have to be done right the first time. It amazes me how complacent and lazy this is.
The cracks I have seen tell me it is at it end of life...
well unless you're the inspector signing off on the required inspections to keep the facility in operation it doesn't matter what the cracks that you've seen tell you
RE: NEW stadium construction - ODU2011 - 12-22-2017 01:20 PM
(12-22-2017 01:17 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote:(12-22-2017 12:38 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:(12-22-2017 12:28 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote: Forman Field is not safe!!!! Cracks aplenty. The structure must be replaced.
Do you really think they would continue to hold games there if it wasn’t safe? Of course it will get to that point, but I doubt if we wait another year or two. Things have to be done right the first time. It amazes me how complacent and lazy this is.
The cracks I have seen tell me it is at it end of life...
You should stand in front of the stadium and warn everyone next season.
RE: NEW stadium construction - AimHigher - 12-22-2017 01:21 PM
(12-22-2017 01:14 PM)FearTheLion Wrote: The only thing I'll add right now is wouldn't you want to see the design before you melt down and fire everybody?
I haven't seen anything so I'm still on board. That 20k number is BS though.
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RE: NEW stadium construction - DaBigBlue - 12-22-2017 01:23 PM
Cost of materials especially aluminum which has gone up over 22% in the last year is killing us. Labor is also on the rise.
RE: NEW stadium construction - AimHigher - 12-22-2017 01:28 PM
(12-22-2017 01:23 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote: Cost of materials especially aluminum which has gone up over 22% in the last year is killing us. Labor is also on the rise.
So what you're telling us is we all need to stop drinking beer out of cans?
RE: NEW stadium construction - DaBigBlue - 12-22-2017 01:35 PM
(12-22-2017 01:28 PM)AimHigh Wrote:(12-22-2017 01:23 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote: Cost of materials especially aluminum which has gone up over 22% in the last year is killing us. Labor is also on the rise.
So what you're telling us is we all need to stop drinking beer out of cans?
No we need to drink more so they have more cans to recycle.
RE: NEW stadium construction - AimHigher - 12-22-2017 01:41 PM
(12-22-2017 01:35 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:(12-22-2017 01:28 PM)AimHigh Wrote:(12-22-2017 01:23 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote: Cost of materials especially aluminum which has gone up over 22% in the last year is killing us. Labor is also on the rise.
So what you're telling us is we all need to stop drinking beer out of cans?
No we need to drink more so they have more cans to recycle.
Hmm sounds like a problematic situation. If we stop drinking beer there will be more aluminum, but I understand the recycle POV.
RE: NEW stadium construction - ODUODUODU - 12-22-2017 01:44 PM
(12-22-2017 01:20 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:(12-22-2017 01:17 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote:(12-22-2017 12:38 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:(12-22-2017 12:28 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote: Forman Field is not safe!!!! Cracks aplenty. The structure must be replaced.
Do you really think they would continue to hold games there if it wasn’t safe? Of course it will get to that point, but I doubt if we wait another year or two. Things have to be done right the first time. It amazes me how complacent and lazy this is.
The cracks I have seen tell me it is at it end of life...
You should stand in front of the stadium and warn everyone next season.
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RE: NEW stadium construction - Can't Tame the Lion - 12-22-2017 01:52 PM
Just an FYI... a structural monitoring system and testing is periodically done, due to concerns. When nearby building construction and even roadwork is on-going it is carefully monitored so there is long-term and possibly short-term concern for safety. At some point, in the near future, something substantial will need to be done to the existing structure and it will not be cheap.
RE: NEW stadium construction - monarx - 12-22-2017 01:54 PM
(12-22-2017 01:23 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote: Cost of materials especially aluminum which has gone up over 22% in the last year is killing us. Labor is also on the rise.
Another reason why dragging their feet on this hurts. There’s no reason the stadium shouldn’t have been nearing completion in time for VT next season. And it would have been in before the Cox Anti-ODU bill took effect. Hind sight is 20/20 but in hind sight it seems the admin blew it in multiple ways.
NEW stadium construction - EverRespect - 12-22-2017 02:43 PM
Anyone have a source for this spike in material costs? I haven't seen any evidence of this. My guess it is poor contract management. The fact that they awarded it to the same company that wrote the requirements pointed to that anyway. They should have outsourced it to the GSA as they are way over their heads.
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RE: NEW stadium construction - Monarchist13 - 12-22-2017 03:00 PM
(12-22-2017 02:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote: Anyone have a source for this spike in material costs? I haven't seen any evidence of this. My guess it is poor contract management. The fact that they awarded it to the same company that wrote the requirements pointed to that anyway. They should have outsourced it to the GSA as they are way over their heads.
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The hurricane devestation in Florida and Texas is the source.
RE: NEW stadium construction - Can't Tame the Lion - 12-22-2017 03:08 PM
(12-22-2017 02:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote: Anyone have a source for this spike in material costs? I haven't seen any evidence of this. My guess it is poor contract management. The fact that they awarded it to the same company that wrote the requirements pointed to that anyway. They should have outsourced it to the GSA as they are way over their heads.I see it everyday being in the industry. We have commercial projects on-going throughout the country, including on campus right now. Costs are rising for various reasons. Hurricanes being one, but the industry is extremely busy right now with no signs of slowing down. Labor is in short supply ( skilled trades, engineer's, etc.). Costs are rising not just from direct costs, but indirect with margins increasing as well.
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RE: NEW stadium construction - DaBigBlue - 12-22-2017 03:55 PM
We might be playing in a 30k seat stadium sooner than we thought... Over at NSU, after Foreman Field falls in.
RE: NEW stadium construction - Old Blue - 12-22-2017 10:27 PM
(12-21-2017 07:14 PM)Grommet Wrote:(12-21-2017 02:45 PM)bit_9 Wrote: I just can't wrap my head around the idea behind "if we can't have it all right now don't bother" attitude. It's incremental improvement.
Well, honestly, there's no reason, in year 4 of FBS, we shouldn't have the ESPN Top 100 in their entirety playing for Dabo Swinney, Lane Kiffin, and Scott Frost, in a 150,000-seat version of Lane Stadium.
I'm with you: it's a process, not a light switch. There are most definitely things I wish would improve at a more hurried pace, but as long as things continue in an upward arc I'm content to watch the program advance.
Those who expect too much too soon are sure to be disappointed at every turn.
That's what I like to say too. Is it better than what we have? If yes, then thank God for little miracles. Growth may be slower than some like, but it's still growth.
RE: NEW stadium construction - Monarchblue - 12-22-2017 11:44 PM
(12-22-2017 01:23 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote: Cost of materials especially aluminum which has gone up over 22% in the last year is killing us. Labor is also on the rise.All the more reason to put it on hold until you can afford something that is more in line with need and expectations. A temporary cost increase due to recent natural disasters should not be allowed to be a reason to make a hasty decision that wastes money and limits future options, while bringing little or no revenue increase.
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RE: NEW stadium construction - Monarchblue - 12-22-2017 11:46 PM
(12-22-2017 01:54 PM)monarx Wrote:But that had to wait for the study that was wrong on cost, and that they are ignoring on everything else to be completed.(12-22-2017 01:23 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote: Cost of materials especially aluminum which has gone up over 22% in the last year is killing us. Labor is also on the rise.
Another reason why dragging their feet on this hurts. There’s no reason the stadium shouldn’t have been nearing completion in time for VT next season. And it would have been in before the Cox Anti-ODU bill took effect. Hind sight is 20/20 but in hind sight it seems the admin blew it in multiple ways.
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RE: NEW stadium construction - monarx - 12-23-2017 09:18 AM
(12-22-2017 10:27 PM)Old Blue Wrote:(12-21-2017 07:14 PM)Grommet Wrote:(12-21-2017 02:45 PM)bit_9 Wrote: I just can't wrap my head around the idea behind "if we can't have it all right now don't bother" attitude. It's incremental improvement.
Well, honestly, there's no reason, in year 4 of FBS, we shouldn't have the ESPN Top 100 in their entirety playing for Dabo Swinney, Lane Kiffin, and Scott Frost, in a 150,000-seat version of Lane Stadium.
I'm with you: it's a process, not a light switch. There are most definitely things I wish would improve at a more hurried pace, but as long as things continue in an upward arc I'm content to watch the program advance.
Those who expect too much too soon are sure to be disappointed at every turn.
That's what I like to say too. Is it better than what we have? If yes, then thank God for little miracles. Growth may be slower than some like, but it's still growth.
But what they are now describing is not even close to $55 million better than what we have now. It might be more comfortable and have better bathrooms but that’s it. It may even be less attractive. To be clear, what they are now proposing is similar to what NSU currently has, only with the gameday building, some chair backs and 10,000 Fewer seats. The nice half of JMUs stadium is much nicer than what is described in the paper now. If this is the best they can do, just delay it. Spend a few Million now on renovating the press box sound system and a new scoreboard while fundraising for a few more years to get something on par with our peers. It’s brand new. It shouldn’t be below average the day it opens.
RE: NEW stadium construction - bit_9 - 12-23-2017 09:44 AM
"The nice half of JMUs stadium is much nicer than what is described in the paper now" - I'll wait to critique until I actually see something. Until then everyone is just assuming the worst.