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NCAA, don't let us down - jumpshooter - 10-31-2017 02:42 PM

Retweeted Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanESPN):

Western Kentucky still awaiting NCAA decision on Top 100 frosh Josh Anderson (academics) & ex-Syracuse big man Moustapha Diagne (amateurism)


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - jasdf - 10-31-2017 04:11 PM

Just between us I hope the wku show doesn't end, i am really enjoying it so far and the season hasn't even started. yea yea for the good of the conference , whatever. i don't mind them being awful.


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - odu09 - 11-01-2017 08:32 AM

(10-31-2017 04:11 PM)jasdf Wrote:  Just between us I hope the wku show doesn't end, i am really enjoying it so far and the season hasn't even started. yea yea for the good of the conference , whatever. i don't mind them being awful.

Do you enjoy being part of a conference rated in the 20s? Because if teams don't improve, that's what we get.


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - jasdf - 11-01-2017 03:32 PM

It is going to stink with or without wku


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - Gilesfan - 11-01-2017 03:35 PM

(11-01-2017 08:32 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(10-31-2017 04:11 PM)jasdf Wrote:  Just between us I hope the wku show doesn't end, i am really enjoying it so far and the season hasn't even started. yea yea for the good of the conference , whatever. i don't mind them being awful.

Do you enjoy being part of a conference rated in the 20s? Because if teams don't improve, that's what we get.

Them improving without cheating would be ok.


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - jasdf - 11-01-2017 03:38 PM

I will also admit that I don't fully understand the process for admitting an athlete. As a normal student, whether or not I was academically eligible seemed pretty cut and dry. I had the grades or I didn't. What exactly are they waiting on for that player?


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - monarx - 11-01-2017 03:42 PM

(11-01-2017 03:38 PM)jasdf Wrote:  I will also admit that I don't fully understand the process for admitting an athlete. As a normal student, whether or not I was academically eligible seemed pretty cut and dry. I had the grades or I didn't. What exactly are they waiting on for that player?

My understanding is the NCAA sets a minimum eligibility requirement for all schools, from Harvard on down. Some schools choose to be more stringent than others beyond that requirement, but they don't have to. Coaches also have to consider how a player may affect the overall team GPA, and whether or not they can actually stay eligible too. Not every school offers sham classes to keep athletes eligible and grades higher like UNC does.


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - jasdf - 11-01-2017 03:45 PM

(11-01-2017 03:42 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 03:38 PM)jasdf Wrote:  I will also admit that I don't fully understand the process for admitting an athlete. As a normal student, whether or not I was academically eligible seemed pretty cut and dry. I had the grades or I didn't. What exactly are they waiting on for that player?

My understanding is the NCAA sets a minimum eligibility requirement for all schools, from Harvard on down. Some schools choose to be more stringent than others beyond that requirement, but they don't have to. Coaches also have to consider how a player may affect the overall team GPA, and whether or not they can actually stay eligible too. Not every school offers sham classes to keep athletes eligible and grades higher like UNC does.


I appreciate your response. seems like the type of thing that ought to be squared away well before the season is about to tip off


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - BigBlueMonarch - 11-01-2017 06:04 PM

We went through a similar process with Odell Hodge. Had to male sure he was eligible academically. If I recall he had to retake his SAT last minute. But we Did have it all squared away before the season began.

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RE: NCAA, don't let us down - Justanodufan - 11-03-2017 11:09 PM

(11-01-2017 03:38 PM)jasdf Wrote:  I will also admit that I don't fully understand the process for admitting an athlete. As a normal student, whether or not I was academically eligible seemed pretty cut and dry. I had the grades or I didn't. What exactly are they waiting on for that player?

Amatuerism is based off of the actual playing before they get to college. I think it’s way more stringent now (then when I went through the eligibility center), but I want to say they asked questions like:

“Did you get paid?”
“Did anyone on your team get paid”
“What team did you play for? What did you pay to play? What was provided”

As far as the academic side: for me I had to have 16 core classes (most were complete before I got to my senior year) and a GPA and a corresponding test score. I think now certain classes have to be done by a certain year, there is a minimum GPA (higher than the 2.0 that was required when I played.)

So I assume that they have questions about how and when and wheee one of them played AND maybe classes that the other one used to meet the requirements came from a “non eligible” prep school or diploma mill


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - DaBigBlue - 11-04-2017 08:19 AM

That's a good explanation. Every year it seems more and student athletes get caught up in the academic vortex. One of the reasons prep-schools are so busy. Question has ODU ever taken a partial qualifier? I thought we had. I know we give Marshall alot of flack about their openness with accepting partial qualified students.


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - Gilesfan - 11-04-2017 09:24 AM

Plus a lot of these basketball players move around to several schools and getting documents and verfying them takes time. Plus they have to make sure actually took the SAT ..cough Derrick Rose.


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - ETSUDB8-79 - 11-04-2017 12:38 PM

(11-04-2017 08:19 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  That's a good explanation. Every year it seems more and student athletes get caught up in the academic vortex. One of the reasons prep-schools are so busy. Question has ODU ever taken a partial qualifier? I thought we had. I know we give Marshall alot of flack about their openness with accepting partial qualified students.

No, or at least the last 30+ years.


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - Justanodufan - 11-04-2017 01:59 PM

(11-04-2017 12:38 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  
(11-04-2017 08:19 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  That's a good explanation. Every year it seems more and student athletes get caught up in the academic vortex. One of the reasons prep-schools are so busy. Question has ODU ever taken a partial qualifier? I thought we had. I know we give Marshall alot of flack about their openness with accepting partial qualified students.

No, or at least the last 30+ years.

Not sure how anyone outside of athletics would know that. Partial qualifiers (which I think is now an “academic redshirt”) can practice but not play. So pretty much anyone who has redshirted as a freshmen could have been a partial qualifier.


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - Gilesfan - 11-04-2017 02:46 PM

We dont take them. Been told by multiple people.


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - Justanodufan - 11-04-2017 03:26 PM

(11-04-2017 02:46 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We dont take them. Been told by multiple people.

Pretty sure we’ve probably had one or two non/partial qualifiers. Mosley comes to mind


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - Monarch Homselr - 11-04-2017 03:33 PM

didn't Moseley end up having to go to prep school to fix that problem??


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - Justanodufan - 11-04-2017 04:00 PM

(11-04-2017 03:33 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  didn't Moseley end up having to go to prep school to fix that problem??

Mosley sat out his first year here (under BT). Wasn’t allowed to practice, play, or sit on the bench.


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - Monarchblue - 11-05-2017 10:13 PM

(11-04-2017 01:59 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(11-04-2017 12:38 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  
(11-04-2017 08:19 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  That's a good explanation. Every year it seems more and student athletes get caught up in the academic vortex. One of the reasons prep-schools are so busy. Question has ODU ever taken a partial qualifier? I thought we had. I know we give Marshall alot of flack about their openness with accepting partial qualified students.

No, or at least the last 30+ years.

Not sure how anyone outside of athletics would know that. Partial qualifiers (which I think is now an “academic redshirt”) can practice but not play. So pretty much anyone who has redshirted as a freshmen could have been a partial qualifier.
I am pretty sure that Moseley was an academic redshirt. I thought it was something related to transcripts, but definitely vaguely remember hearing something about it back then.

Edit: Should have read through before commenting.


RE: NCAA, don't let us down - ODUDrunkard13 - 11-07-2017 12:25 PM

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