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Questions on the LA Chargers - TardisCaptain - 10-16-2017 12:18 PM
So after reading the headlines about the "LA" Chargers and the lack of a fan base in the area, I have to wonder. How long does the NFL keep the team in a losing situation? They can't sell out a stadium that seats 27,000. Most of the attendees are fans of other teams. Besides good attendance you need merch sales, TV eyeballs and more. Does the Chargers have this in LA?
If Spanos keeps the team, does he continue to lose money or move to another area? Did he move just to keep the Raiders from moving into LA? Would San Diego take the team back with Spanos? Would he move the team to another market? If the team sells, who buys it?
Thanks for the insight.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - Wedge - 10-16-2017 12:28 PM
The owners won't do anything. NFL ownership is a club of rich guys in which they all agree that the league isn't going to push individual owners around.
Maybe the other owners regret giving the Chargers the option to become a tenant in the Rams' new stadium, but they won't reverse that decision. Also, consider that maybe the owners gave that option to the Chargers to keep the Raiders out. There are owners who still don't like the Raiders because Al rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Kroenke himself might have thought that, given that the NFL forced him to make his LA stadium available to a second team, he'd prefer to have the Chargers as his LA competition, rather than the Raiders.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - Brookes Owl - 10-16-2017 01:39 PM
There is a lot of grumbling here about the Chargers, and there are rumors that other owners are concerned, if not pissed. I think there's a non-trivial chance the NFL would allow the team to move again, or even that the moratorium on a team sale be lifted, but the latter is hard to imagine because I doubt Spanos would sell now. I think he's actually devalued the team in the short term.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - C2__ - 10-16-2017 02:41 PM
Should have moved to Vegas. The Raiders would then move to LA. Water under the bridge now.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - Wedge - 10-16-2017 04:25 PM
(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: There is a lot of grumbling here about the Chargers, and there are rumors that other owners are concerned, if not pissed. I think there's a non-trivial chance the NFL would allow the team to move again, or even that the moratorium on a team sale be lifted, but the latter is hard to imagine because I doubt Spanos would sell now. I think he's actually devalued the team in the short term.
Allow the team to move, perhaps, if Spanos went to the other owners and asked for permission, or if he went to them with a proposed sale to a buyer who wanted to move the team.
A sale doesn't seem likely even if the NFL permitted it. There are just not that many people or groups that both have about $1.5 billion in liquid assets (plus however much they'd have to spend toward a new stadium in another city) and also have the desire to buy an NFL franchise.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - vandiver49 - 10-16-2017 05:05 PM
(10-16-2017 12:28 PM)Wedge Wrote: The owners won't do anything. NFL ownership is a club of rich guys in which they all agree that the league isn't going to push individual owners around.
Maybe the other owners regret giving the Chargers the option to become a tenant in the Rams' new stadium, but they won't reverse that decision. Also, consider that maybe the owners gave that option to the Chargers to keep the Raiders out. There are owners who still don't like the Raiders because Al rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Kroenke himself might have thought that, given that the NFL forced him to make his LA stadium available to a second team, he'd prefer to have the Chargers as his LA competition, rather than the Raiders.
I think the bolded is the closet to the truth. Getting back into LA while keeping the Raiders out of the market was key in the NFL decision making IMO.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - bluesox - 10-23-2017 10:00 AM
I don’t like the chargers and rams having the same color schemes. Rams really need to go back to their 1980 uniforms since that has some historic tradition in LA. Chargers could go to red and black to rebrand a little.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - lew240z - 10-24-2017 12:03 AM
The gold will be removed from the Rams uniforms in 2019 or 2020. My opinion is they will wear white with blue trim and numbers for home games at that time. If they play a team on the road which wears white such as Dallas, I think they will wear medium blue jerseys with white numbers and trim.
I think there is no need to change the Chargers colors. My opinion is that they will continue to wear the dark blue at home with the occasional use of the powder blue alternates.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - C2__ - 10-24-2017 12:09 AM
They should have gone back to their traditional jerseys of yellow and blue.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - bluesox - 10-24-2017 10:29 AM
The LA rams should be blue and yellow and the SD chargers should be powder blue. Yet, since the chargers moved, think they need to do something drastic to rebrand in LA. I like a black helmet with red charger bolt.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - Transic_nyc - 10-18-2018 09:41 PM
(10-16-2017 12:18 PM)TardisCaptain Wrote: So after reading the headlines about the "LA" Chargers and the lack of a fan base in the area, I have to wonder. How long does the NFL keep the team in a losing situation? They can't sell out a stadium that seats 27,000. Most of the attendees are fans of other teams. Besides good attendance you need merch sales, TV eyeballs and more. Does the Chargers have this in LA?
If Spanos keeps the team, does he continue to lose money or move to another area? Did he move just to keep the Raiders from moving into LA? Would San Diego take the team back with Spanos? Would he move the team to another market? If the team sells, who buys it?
Thanks for the insight.
Question on whether they'd stay in L.A. answered:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/18/chargers-wont-be-leaving-l-a-for-at-least-two-decades/
Quote:Don’t bother. They aren’t leaving Los Angeles. Not for at least 20 years after the opening of the new stadium they’ll share with the Rams in Inglewood.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Chargers have a firm 20-year lease at the venue being built by Rams owner Stan Kroenke. The Chargers also hold a pair of exclusive 10-year options after the first 20-year term.
Don’t shrug at the existence of a 20-year lease and say, “Contracts were made to be broken.” Everything currently being sold at the venue — from naming rights to luxury boxes to sponsorships to advertising — hinges on at least 20 NFL games per year, for at least 20 years. Thus, a premature exit by the Chargers would be the first domino in a cascade of contractual breaches.
The first breach would surely be the biggest. Kroenke didn’t amass his fortune by not holding his business partners to their commitments. He’s shelling out billions to build the stadium, and the return on his investment relies on the Chargers honoring their commitment to play roughly 200 total games there over two decades. There’s no way Kroenke would look the other way on a way out for the Chargers absent significant compensation, from someone.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - DawgNBama - 10-19-2018 02:08 AM
Actually, there is one way around Kroenke’s lease: to sue Kroenke on the grounds that he violated antitrust laws in blocking the Raiders from Los Angeles. However, Dean Spanos will definitely need help from Mark Davis, and I do believe Spanos already burnt that bridge. Plus, Mark Davis has a great future setup in Las Vegas, and the backing of Jerry Jones as well; basically, Davis would be an idiot to help Spanos with such a lawsuit against Kroenke. Mr. Khan of the Jaguars might be interested though.
I always wondered why Stan Kroenke actually decided to back Mark Davis move to Las Vegas even though Las Vegas is not very far from Los Angeles and there’s even been talk of a high speed bullet train connecting Las Vegas to Los Angeles, which makes Kroenke’s decision even more curious, but now I know why and it is called getting rid of the antitrust lawsuit threat.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - Wedge - 10-19-2018 03:11 AM
(10-19-2018 02:08 AM)DawgNBama Wrote: Actually, there is one way around Kroenke’s lease: to sue Kroenke on the grounds that he violated antitrust laws in blocking the Raiders from Los Angeles.
Kroenke didn't block the Raiders. The NFL owners voted for Kroenke's Inglewood project, gave the Chargers the option to move to Inglewood as well, and gave that option to the Raiders if the Chargers didn't exercise their option within one year.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/01/12/los-angeles-rams-chargers-raiders-move-relocation/78688808/
Quote:NFL owners voted 30-2 Tuesday night to approve the relocation of the St. Louis Rams, ending a 21-year absence for the NFL in Los Angeles, the nation's second-biggest television market. The owners also gave the Chargers a one-year option to join them if they reach an agreement with Rams owner Stan Kroenke to share his proposed stadium in Inglewood, near the L.A. airport.
If the Chargers don't exercise that option, the Oakland Raiders, the third team that applied for relocation, would then be given the opportunity.
Florio's column is silly and overblown. If the league wants to avoid having a half-empty stadium when the Chargers play, and if there's a solution that involves the Chargers going somewhere else, then the league will make any problems with contracts, or naming-rights sponsors, or anyone else, go away with some money. If the Chargers stay, it will be only because Spanos wants to stay, not because of any lease.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - AllTideUp - 10-19-2018 05:28 AM
1. The Chargers moved to LA because the market is huge and rich. They plan on making an awful lot of money while they're in town. If they leave, it won't be until the experiment has proven a total failure.
2. Few fans are showing up because the Chargers have little traditional ties to the area. It wasn't really that long ago that the Rams were in town and it's the same place they had been located for a long time. Easier for them to attract fans under that scenario. It will take time for the Chargers to build support in a town that's filled with Rams and Raiders fans not to mention all the transplants from other parts of the country.
3. I doubt that a lot of football fans want to go watch an NFL game in a small soccer stadium that doesn't even have a lot of amenities. Especially when you consider the price tag.
4. It's still LA and people have a lot of things they can do outside of attend sporting events.
The Chargers will be fine in the long run, but they have a less than ideal situation for now. When the new stadium is built then both franchises will be sitting pretty.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - goofus - 10-19-2018 08:14 AM
There are not a lot of markets for the chargers to move to. Unless they move to London or Mexico City. San Antonio maybe.
If the Chargers move to London, that would interesting from a realignment perspective. At the very least, they would probably have to move the Texans to the AFC west And the Chargers to the AFC south or East. More likely I could see a bigger realignment with 8 team divisions.
East Division
London Chargers, Jax, Tenn, Indy, Buf, Mia, NYJ, NE
South Division
NYG, Phi, Wash, Dal, NO, Tampa, Atl, Car
West division
LAR, Ariz, Sea, SF, LVR, Den, KC, Hou
Norrh division
Minn, GB, Chi, Det, Cle, Pitt, Cincy, Balt
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - Brookes Owl - 10-19-2018 12:00 PM
(10-19-2018 03:11 AM)Wedge Wrote: Florio's column is silly and overblown. If the league wants to avoid having a half-empty stadium when the Chargers play, and if there's a solution that involves the Chargers going somewhere else, then the league will make any problems with contracts, or naming-rights sponsors, or anyone else, go away with some money. If the Chargers stay, it will be only because Spanos wants to stay, not because of any lease.
Agree with this. It was clear from the reporting at the time of the move that Kroenke was prepared to go it alone. Some were even reporting that he preferred it.
But I'm gonna stick with my previous prediction that nothing will change and magical thinking will be the driver.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - TardisCaptain - 06-21-2019 04:35 PM
**old thread creaks back to life**
One of the questions I had was regarding building a fan base for the Chargers in LA. I guess that has been answered.
https://footballstadiumdigest.com/2019/06/los-angeles-chargers-sell-all-2019-season-tickets/
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - No Bull - 06-25-2019 12:02 PM
(06-21-2019 04:35 PM)TardisCaptain Wrote: **old thread creaks back to life**
One of the questions I had was regarding building a fan base for the Chargers in LA. I guess that has been answered.
https://footballstadiumdigest.com/2019/06/los-angeles-chargers-sell-all-2019-season-tickets/
Winning cures lots of ills.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - SoCalBobcat78 - 07-19-2019 09:44 AM
(06-25-2019 12:02 PM)No Bull Wrote:(06-21-2019 04:35 PM)TardisCaptain Wrote: **old thread creaks back to life**
One of the questions I had was regarding building a fan base for the Chargers in LA. I guess that has been answered.
https://footballstadiumdigest.com/2019/06/los-angeles-chargers-sell-all-2019-season-tickets/
Winning cures lots of ills.
They are far from fixing their attendance issues. The Chargers consider a sellout at just over 25,000. Dignity Health Sports Park has a listed capacity of 27,000. It is a nice little intimate stadium on the campus of Cal State Dominguez Hills. It is easy to get in and out of the stadium. The problem is that about 40% or more of the fans are rooting for the visitors. The Raiders and 49ers fans took over the stadium this past season. The Chiefs had a sea of red for last year's opening home game.
The Chargers on offensive have had to go to a silent count for some of the games, particularly the 49ers and Raiders. They could have homefield advantage in the playoffs and be forced to go to a silent count on offense.
The bigger question is can they fill the new LA Stadium? That stadium will have a capacity of 70,000, expandable to 100,000. The Chargers need to win this season to convert some fans. A super bowl appearance would really help. It is not going to look good if there are 50,000 fans at a game in the new LA Stadium and 30,000 are passionately rooting for the visitors.
RE: Questions on the LA Chargers - C2__ - 07-19-2019 01:34 PM
Have the majority of San Diego fans abandoned ship? I know they hate LA but it's 8-10 games a year right up tge freeway mostly on weekends.