Divisionless Football Conferences? - Nerdlinger - 08-18-2017 09:38 AM
While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference at least twice in 4 years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets 3 protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other 10 opponents every 2 years. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having 4 protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them 3 protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference. I tried to retain traditional/desired rivalries while still remaining somewhat competitively balanced.
The last 2 columns for the ACC, Big Ten, and SEC are the matchups I'd add if the conferences wanted to expand to 4 or 5 protected matchups. Having 5 protected matchups works well with a 9-game conference schedule, permitting each team to play all other teams at least twice in 4 years.
ACC
Code:
BOSTON COLLEGE Syracuse Miami-FL Pittsburgh | Virginia | Louisville
CLEMSON Georgia Tech Florida State NC State | Virginia Tech | Miami-FL
DUKE Wake Forest Georgia Tech North Carolina | NC State | Virginia
FLORIDA STATE Miami-FL Clemson Georgia Tech | Louisville | Virginia Tech
GEORGIA TECH Clemson Duke Florida State | Pittsburgh | North Carolina
LOUISVILLE Pittsburgh Virginia Tech Syracuse | Florida State | Boston College
MIAMI-FL Florida State Boston College Virginia Tech | Syracuse | Clemson
NC STATE North Carolina Wake Forest Clemson | Duke | Pittsburgh
NORTH CAROLINA NC State Virginia Duke | Wake Forest | Georgia Tech
PITTSBURGH Louisville Syracuse Boston College | Georgia Tech | NC State
SYRACUSE Boston College Pittsburgh Louisville | Miami-FL | Wake Forest
VIRGINIA Virginia Tech North Carolina Wake Forest | Boston College | Duke
VIRGINIA TECH Virginia Louisville Miami-FL | Clemson | Florida State
WAKE FOREST Duke NC State Virginia | North Carolina | Syracuse
Big Ten
Code:
ILLINOIS Northwestern Purdue Rutgers | Indiana | Minnesota
INDIANA Purdue Rutgers Northwestern | Illinois | Michigan State
IOWA Nebraska Wisconsin Minnesota | Northwestern | Ohio State
MARYLAND Rutgers Penn State Purdue | Nebraska | Michigan
MICHIGAN Michigan State Ohio State Penn State | Wisconsin | Maryland
MICHIGAN STATE Michigan Northwestern Ohio State | Penn State | Indiana
MINNESOTA Wisconsin Nebraska Iowa | Purdue | Illinois
NEBRASKA Iowa Minnesota Wisconsin | Maryland | Purdue
NORTHWESTERN Illinois Michigan State Indiana | Iowa | Wisconsin
OHIO STATE Penn State Michigan Michigan State | Rutgers | Iowa
PENN STATE Ohio State Maryland Michigan | Michigan State | Rutgers
PURDUE Indiana Illinois Maryland | Minnesota | Nebraska
RUTGERS Maryland Indiana Illinois | Ohio State | Penn State
WISCONSIN Minnesota Iowa Nebraska | Michigan | Northwestern
SEC
Code:
ALABAMA Auburn Tennessee LSU | Georgia | Florida
ARKANSAS Texas A&M Missouri Mississippi St | LSU | Ole Miss
AUBURN Alabama Georgia Florida | Mississippi St | Texas A&M
FLORIDA Georgia South Carolina Auburn | Tennessee | Alabama
GEORGIA Florida Auburn South Carolina | Alabama | Tennessee
KENTUCKY South Carolina Vanderbilt Tennessee | Ole Miss | Missouri
LSU Ole Miss Texas A&M Alabama | Arkansas | Mississippi St
MISSISSIPPI ST Missouri Ole Miss Arkansas | Auburn | LSU
MISSOURI Mississippi St Arkansas Texas A&M | Vanderbilt | Kentucky
OLE MISS LSU Mississippi St Vanderbilt | Kentucky | Arkansas
SOUTH CAROLINA Kentucky Florida Georgia | Texas A&M | Vanderbilt
TENNESSEE Vanderbilt Alabama Kentucky | Florida | Georgia
TEXAS A&M Arkansas LSU Missouri | South Carolina | Auburn
VANDERBILT Tennessee Kentucky Ole Miss | Missouri | South Carolina
I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but if they stick with 9 games, every team can play 3 California schools per season. This gives the Northwest and Mountain schools equal access to the coveted SoCal recruiting grounds.
Pac-12
Code:
ARIZONA Arizona State Colorado Utah
ARIZONA STATE Arizona Utah Colorado
CALIFORNIA Stanford UCLA USC
COLORADO Utah Arizona Arizona State
OREGON Oregon State Washington Washington St
OREGON STATE Oregon Washington St Washington
STANFORD California USC UCLA
UCLA USC California Stanford
USC UCLA Stanford California
UTAH Colorado Arizona State Arizona
WASHINGTON Washington St Oregon Oregon State
WASHINGTON ST Washington Oregon State Oregon
Here's my setup for the ACC with 15 schools (ND goes all in). Each school has 4 protected matchups.
ACC
Code:
BOSTON COLLEGE Syracuse BYE/OTHER Pittsburgh Notre Dame Miami-FL
CLEMSON Virginia Tech NC State Florida State Georgia Tech (South Carolina)
DUKE BYE/OTHER Georgia Tech NC State North Carolina Wake Forest
FLORIDA STATE Georgia Tech Louisville Clemson Miami-FL (Florida)
GEORGIA TECH Florida State Duke Notre Dame Clemson (Georgia)
LOUISVILLE Pittsburgh Florida State Syracuse Virginia Tech (Kentucky)
MIAMI-FL Notre Dame Virginia Tech BYE/OTHER Florida State Boston College
NC STATE BYE/OTHER Clemson Duke Wake Forest North Carolina
NORTH CAROLINA BYE/OTHER Wake Forest Virginia Duke NC State
NOTRE DAME Miami-FL Pittsburgh Georgia Tech Boston College (Stanford/USC)
PITTSBURGH Louisville Notre Dame Boston College BYE/OTHER Syracuse
SYRACUSE Boston College Virginia Louisville BYE/OTHER Pittsburgh
VIRGINIA Wake Forest Syracuse North Carolina BYE/OTHER Virginia Tech
VIRGINIA TECH Clemson Miami-FL BYE/OTHER Louisville Virginia
WAKE FOREST Virginia North Carolina BYE/OTHER NC State Duke
What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - Carolina_Low_Country - 08-18-2017 10:06 AM
UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - YNot - 08-18-2017 10:15 AM
Love the PAC 12 structure! Perfect!
Only draw back for the larger conferences is that a team could make the CCG because of an easy schedule, not because they are one of the best teams in the conference.
For instance, let's say Arkansas gets its permanent opponents Missouri, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M and then in a scheduling fluke gets Kentucky, Mississippi St., South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Auburn. That's about as easy as it gets with an SEC schedule. Conversely, let's say Georgia has Auburn, Florida, South Carolina and then Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, A&M, and Ole Miss.
Arkansas could earn the CCG berth by 2 or 3 games over Georgia, even if Georgia has the clearly better team.
For larger conferences, I would like to see the conference championship expanded to include a semi-final round - where there are three division champions and one wild card participant. That would keep all regions of the conference engaged in the championship hunt, and allow one quality, highly-ranked runner-up the chance to show how good the conference is.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - Nerdlinger - 08-18-2017 11:33 AM
(08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote: UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest
OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.
(08-18-2017 10:15 AM)YNot Wrote: Love the PAC 12 structure! Perfect!
Only draw back for the larger conferences is that a team could make the CCG because of an easy schedule, not because they are one of the best teams in the conference.
For instance, let's say Arkansas gets its permanent opponents Missouri, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M and then in a scheduling fluke gets Kentucky, Mississippi St., South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Auburn. That's about as easy as it gets with an SEC schedule. Conversely, let's say Georgia has Auburn, Florida, South Carolina and then Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, A&M, and Ole Miss.
Arkansas could earn the CCG berth by 2 or 3 games over Georgia, even if Georgia has the clearly better team.
For larger conferences, I would like to see the conference championship expanded to include a semi-final round - where there are three division champions and one wild card participant. That would keep all regions of the conference engaged in the championship hunt, and allow one quality, highly-ranked runner-up the chance to show how good the conference is.
A team can also make the CCG by means of winning an easy division.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - MplsBison - 08-18-2017 12:50 PM
Selfishly for Minnesota, it's a big no thanks.
The West teams are more in our level. No desire to play Mich, OSU, or PSU.
But overall, sure it could work. If you don't mind the CCG being the #1 v #2.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - ohio1317 - 08-18-2017 01:06 PM
Love it and wish they would do it (they won't). I would personally rather have Illinois than Michigan Statr as our 3rd (our only trophy game) and would rrarrange a few others for trophy type games in the Big Ten, but for thr most part great. Might post more later when on a real computer.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - Nerdlinger - 08-18-2017 01:16 PM
(08-18-2017 01:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: Love it and wish they would do it (they won't). I would personally rather have Illinois than Michigan Statr as our 3rd (our only trophy game) and would rrarrange a few others for trophy type games in the Big Ten, but for thr most part great. Might post more later when on a real computer.
I traded Illinois/Indiana and MSU/OSU for Illinois/OSU and MSU/Indiana.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - Wedge - 08-18-2017 01:41 PM
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote: Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington
Someone proposed this back when Utah and Colorado first joined, and also came up with a way to do it while still having two football divisions. Their Tumblr page explaining the idea is still up: http://pac12cooler.tumblr.com/post/773806609/pac-12-cooler-proposal
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - Nerdlinger - 08-18-2017 02:01 PM
(08-18-2017 01:41 PM)Wedge Wrote: (08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote: Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington
Someone proposed this back when Utah and Colorado first joined, and also came up with a way to do it while still having two football divisions. Their Tumblr page explaining the idea is still up: http://pac12cooler.tumblr.com/post/773806609/pac-12-cooler-proposal
I'm not big on zipper alignments, but they came up with a very nice setup. There's a lot more you can do with 12 teams than, say, 10 or 14.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - CarlSmithCenter - 08-18-2017 02:03 PM
Think this would probably work better. Florida and LSU do not want to play each other each year, and neither Arkansas nor A&M have any geographic or real historic reason to play South Carolina each year.
SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Missouri
Auburn: Alabama, Georgia, Florida
Florida: Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn
Georgia: Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Arkansas
Ole Miss: LSU, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State
South Carolina: Kentucky, Florida, Georgia
Tennessee: Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Alabama
Texas A&M: Missouri, Arkansas, LSU
Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Ole Miss, Kentucky
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - Nerdlinger - 08-18-2017 02:13 PM
(08-18-2017 02:03 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote: Think this would probably work better. Florida and LSU do not want to play each other each year, and neither Arkansas nor A&M have any geographic or real historic reason to play South Carolina each year.
SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Missouri
Auburn: Alabama, Georgia, Florida
Florida: Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn
Georgia: Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Arkansas
Ole Miss: LSU, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State
South Carolina: Kentucky, Florida, Georgia
Tennessee: Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Alabama
Texas A&M: Missouri, Arkansas, LSU
Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Ole Miss, Kentucky
I like it. Changes made.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - Kaplony - 08-18-2017 03:58 PM
(08-18-2017 11:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote: (08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote: UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest
OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.
Probably more palatable all the way around to do a three way swap. Clemson/Wake, Syracuse/Miami and UNC/UVA.
Wake is Clemson's second longest opponent behind SC, and after GT and FSU the third ACC team doesn't really matter to us.
Syracuse and Miami have history and Cuse wants to play them more so that makes more sense.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - PlayBall! - 08-18-2017 04:05 PM
Round-robin every year is best for tradition, rivalries, and fan-travel, plus with a few non-conference games for variety. So either huge conferences with a championship game that can't duplicate a regular season game, or smaller conferences.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - Nerdlinger - 08-18-2017 04:20 PM
(08-18-2017 03:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote: (08-18-2017 11:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote: (08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote: UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest
OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.
Probably more palatable all the way around to do a three way swap. Clemson/Wake, Syracuse/Miami and UNC/UVA.
Wake is Clemson's second longest opponent behind SC, and after GT and FSU the third ACC team doesn't really matter to us.
Syracuse and Miami have history and Cuse wants to play them more so that makes more sense.
Is the Textile Bowl much of a rivalry?
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - nzmorange - 08-18-2017 04:46 PM
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote: While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.
ACC
Boston College: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Miami-FL
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Boston College, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Syracuse
Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska
SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee
I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.
Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington
What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?
SU vs VT makes more sense than BC vs VT. I know BC-VT is a "rivalry game," but it's only a rivalry in name. SU-VT has more meaning for a number of reasons.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - Nerdlinger - 08-18-2017 04:57 PM
How about this three-way trade?
Drop: BC/VT, Clemson/Miami, Syracuse/WF
Add: BC/Miami, Clemson/WF, Syracuse/VT
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - 4x4hokies - 08-18-2017 05:14 PM
(08-18-2017 04:46 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote: While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.
ACC
Boston College: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Miami-FL
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Boston College, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Syracuse
Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska
SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee
I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.
Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington
What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?
SU vs VT makes more sense than BC vs VT. I know BC-VT is a "rivalry game," but it's only a rivalry in name. SU-VT has more meaning for a number of reasons.
Syracuse/VT actually makes less sense than BC. I can't imagine what the number of reasons are. VT and Miami would rank in each other's top 3 for sure. Louisville should play Syracuse. Neither VA team would choose them.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - Nerdlinger - 08-18-2017 05:26 PM
How about this?
ACC
Boston College: Miami-FL, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech
Louisville: Clemson, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Miami-FL: Boston College, Florida State, Virginia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh
Virginia: North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Virginia Tech: Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Virginia
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - nzmorange - 08-18-2017 06:41 PM
(08-18-2017 05:14 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: (08-18-2017 04:46 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote: While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.
ACC
Boston College: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Miami-FL
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Boston College, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Syracuse
Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska
SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee
I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.
Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington
What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?
SU vs VT makes more sense than BC vs VT. I know BC-VT is a "rivalry game," but it's only a rivalry in name. SU-VT has more meaning for a number of reasons.
Syracuse/VT actually makes less sense than BC. I can't imagine what the number of reasons are. VT and Miami would rank in each other's top 3 for sure. Louisville should play Syracuse. Neither VA team would choose them.
What sense does BC make?
VT took SU's ACC spot. SU knocked off VT w/ no time in '98 to win the BIG EAST. VT sniped Vick and killed SU in '01 (?) to win the BE.
VT couldn't win @SU and SU couldn't win @VT, so the all time series is roughly even (w/ SU having a slight edge) w/ both sides missing out on key opportunities.
SU is historically better than BC (and has a winning ACC record vs BC).
SU also has more alumni in the DMV than BC for a variety of reasons.
That beats "we joined at roughly the same time" in my mind at least. I have a hard time seeing VT picking BC over SU, and I have no idea why you think UL and VT are a good fit.
RE: Divisionless Football Conferences? - MKPitt - 08-18-2017 07:19 PM
This makes sense to me:
Boston College: Miami-FL, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Duke: Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Duke
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia
Miami-FL: Boston College, Florida State, Virginia Tech
NC State: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Clemson
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Louisville, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh
Virginia: North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Louisville
Virginia Tech: Miami-FL, Virginia, Pittsburgh
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Boston College
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