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Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - MplsBison - 07-13-2017 10:38 AM
Was surprised to learn that some sports in DI do allow transfers between schools to play the same year that they transfers. I assumed it was across the board that you had to sit out that year.
Not true, as example by a softball player who is transferring home to Minnesota from LSU:
http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-scene-sydney-smith-former-maple-grove-star-pitcher-transfers-to-gophers/434179613/
http://just-in-justinsworld.blogspot.com/2017/06/sydney-smith-to-leave-lsu.html
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - MplsBison - 07-13-2017 10:40 AM
I guess question would be: is this a specific rule to softball? Or do other sports in DI allow this?
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - rokamortis - 07-13-2017 10:50 AM
http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/current/transfer-terms
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - Lord Stanley - 07-13-2017 11:00 AM
In general, non-revenue sports are fine being eligible the next year. Assuming your coach gives you a release, of course.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - MplsBison - 07-13-2017 11:00 AM
Thanks, from the link:
Quote:One-time transfer exception: If you transfer from a four-year school, you may be immediately eligible to compete at your new school if you meet ALL the following conditions:
- You are transferring to a Division II or III school, or you are transferring to a Division I school in any sport other than baseball, men's or women's basketball, football (Football Bowl Subdivision) or men’s ice hockey. If you are transferring to a Division I school for any of the previously-listed sports, you may be eligible to compete immediately if you were not recruited by your original school and you have never received an athletics scholarship.
- You are academically and athletically eligible at your previous four-year school.
- You receive a transfer-release agreement from your previous four-year school.
If literally interpreted, this means that transfers between FCS programs can be eligible immediately! I've never heard that before ... not sure if it's actually true. Have always seen transfers between FCS have to sit out the transfer year.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - tcufrog86 - 07-13-2017 11:02 AM
It wasn't that long ago that it changed for baseball, not sure the specific year, but definitely in the last 10 years or so. TCU definitely had a few transfer from schools like Dallas Baptist and play right away in the early to mid 2000s.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - Stugray2 - 07-13-2017 11:19 PM
When there is no revenue, nobody cares what you do.
When there is revenue, protecting the coach and the team are far more important than the right to seek the best opportunity for a young student/athlete to do what is right for their future.
Duh
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - arkstfan - 07-13-2017 11:27 PM
Track athlete at Oklahoma is transferring to AState because he wants a shot to play football. He's immediately eligible to run track at AState but has to sit a year for football even though he never practiced with the OU football team.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - bullet - 07-13-2017 11:31 PM
(07-13-2017 11:19 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: When there is no revenue, nobody cares what you do.
When there is revenue, protecting the coach and the team are far more important than the right to seek the best opportunity for a young student/athlete to do what is right for their future.
Duh
Seems like its the sports where there are professional leagues, i.e. some motivation for future monetary gains to encourage a move.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - EmeryZach - 07-14-2017 07:14 AM
You can transfer in Lacrosse without sitting a year. Hurts schools like UMass who recruit a kid and then he has a huge Freshman year and transfers to Syracuse.
UMass softball just lost their best player to Mississippi State as well.
Sucks
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - billybobby777 - 07-14-2017 07:46 AM
(07-13-2017 11:00 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: In general, non-revenue sports are fine being eligible the next year. Assuming your coach gives you a release, of course.
Nope. In wrestling one has to sit 1 year. It's rare to NOT Sit a year when transferring even in "non-revenue" sports.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - Lord Stanley - 07-14-2017 09:15 AM
(07-14-2017 07:46 AM)billybobby777 Wrote: It's rare to NOT Sit a year when transferring even in "non-revenue" sports.
No, you are wrong - my personal collegiate athletic experience and the NCAA regulations say otherwise.
But as I said, "in general." There are a myriad of reason why someone may have to sit out a year.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - MplsBison - 07-14-2017 09:38 AM
I don't like it. In softball or lacrosse. Or track.
You shouldn't get to dump your current team, just because there are greener pastures elsewhere, with no repercussions. (exceptions of course can be made, on a case-by-case basis)
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - Stugray2 - 07-14-2017 09:56 AM
I disagree. You should not have to sit.
An Engineer or a Doctor or any other profession does not have that sit clause at the pre-professional, pre-paycheack school level.
The only purpose is to allow the school to have control over a young athletes career moves. A school can change coach, but the player gets screwed. This even extends down to High School in California. And that is crazy. You can change schools for a better Band program, but not Basketball or Football in California.
The only purpose is to give the coach of the sport more power and protect them from in conference (or level of league) competitors. It has nothing to do with helping the athlete or their interests.
Indentured servitude, pure and simple.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - Lord Stanley - 07-14-2017 09:58 AM
(07-14-2017 09:38 AM)MplsBison Wrote: (exceptions of course can be made, on a case-by-case basis)
What are the "cases" you imagine are acceptable?
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - MplsBison - 07-14-2017 03:19 PM
(07-14-2017 09:56 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: An Engineer or a Doctor or any other profession does not have that sit clause at the pre-professional, pre-paycheack school level.
The only purpose is to allow the school to have control over a young athletes career moves. A school can change coach, but the player gets screwed. This even extends down to High School in California. And that is crazy. You can change schools for a better Band program, but not Basketball or Football in California.
I disagree that this is a fair, apples to apples analogy.
Student-athletes receive four year guaranteed scholarships, so they should have to make four year commitments to the school. The correct analogy, in that case, is like an NFL (or other pro sports) contract for X years. You can't just say "well this other team would be better for me, see ya!"
In college it isn't exactly the same thing, but so then the repercussion for transferring is "only" to sit out a year, as opposed to being barred from playing for any other team for the whole length of the contract.
(07-14-2017 09:58 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: What are the "cases" you imagine are acceptable?
Not sure. Just imagining that there will be a case where it would be plainly unfair, given the circumstance of the athlete and school, to prevent the transferring athlete from being immediately eligible.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - arkstfan - 07-14-2017 03:45 PM
(07-14-2017 09:56 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: I disagree. You should not have to sit.
An Engineer or a Doctor or any other profession does not have that sit clause at the pre-professional, pre-paycheack school level.
The only purpose is to allow the school to have control over a young athletes career moves. A school can change coach, but the player gets screwed. This even extends down to High School in California. And that is crazy. You can change schools for a better Band program, but not Basketball or Football in California.
The only purpose is to give the coach of the sport more power and protect them from in conference (or level of league) competitors. It has nothing to do with helping the athlete or their interests.
Indentured servitude, pure and simple.
Engineering schools and medical schools are not restricted to accepting only 25 new students and don't have to count a transfer against the new student limit. An FBS school has to have a minimum of 77 scholarship players, so if a school is at 77, graduates 25, signs 25 newcomers and then one of the existing leave, they cannot go out and replace that player.
In basketball there are only 13 slots period for scholarships.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - Lord Stanley - 07-14-2017 03:53 PM
(07-14-2017 03:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote: Student-athletes receive four year guaranteed scholarships, so they should have to make four year commitments to the school.
No, they don't, and no they shouldn't.
Not all student-athletes, even Division One football and basketball players, receive scholarships. Full ride scholarships are astonishingly rare (but not unheard of) even at the top levels of college athletics outside of revenue sports.
And another point, there is no such thing as a "guaranteed scholarship." Each scholarship is renewable, each year, and an athlete can have their scholarship revoked for any variety of performance, health, or attitude reasons.
(07-14-2017 09:58 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: What are the "cases" you imagine are acceptable?
(07-14-2017 03:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote: Not sure. Just imagining that there will be a case where it would be plainly unfair, given the circumstance of the athlete and school, to prevent the transferring athlete from being immediately eligible.
Like if the junior point guard is going to lose all playing time to the hot-shot freshman? Or perhaps the 18 year old kid is homesick and wants to be closer to Mom and Dad?
There are some legitimate reasons to restrict transferring between schools and most people accept them - inter-conference transfers, being recruited by another school, and probably some others. But not just because the 18 year old kid should honor a one-year contract for four or five years out of some sense of duty or honor to school, a coach, or a system that no longer fits the student-athlete's priorities.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - dbackjon - 07-14-2017 03:57 PM
(07-14-2017 03:53 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(07-14-2017 03:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote: Student-athletes receive four year guaranteed scholarships, so they should have to make four year commitments to the school.
No, they don't, and no they shouldn't.
Not all student-athletes, even Division One football and basketball players, receive scholarships. Full ride scholarships are astonishingly rare (but not unheard of) even at the top levels of college athletics outside of revenue sports.
And another point, there is no such thing as a "guaranteed scholarship." Each scholarship is renewable, each year, and an athlete can have their scholarship revoked for any variety of performance, health, or attitude reasons.
(07-14-2017 09:58 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: What are the "cases" you imagine are acceptable?(07-14-2017 03:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote: Not sure. Just imagining that there will be a case where it would be plainly unfair, given the circumstance of the athlete and school, to prevent the transferring athlete from being immediately eligible.
Like if the junior point guard is going to lose all playing time to the hot-shot freshman? Or perhaps the 18 year old kid is homesick and wants to be closer to Mom and Dad?
There are some legitimate reasons to restrict transferring between schools and most people accept them - inter-conference transfers, being recruited by another school, and probably some others. But not just because the 18 year old kid should honor a one-year contract for four or five years out of some sense of duty or honor to school, a coach, or a system that no longer fits the student-athlete's priorities.
All P5 schools now MUST give 4 year guaranteed scholarships. Other schools can if they wish.
RE: Transfer rules in DI for sports other than football, bball, baseball - dbackjon - 07-14-2017 03:57 PM
Note - scholarships can only be cancelled for non-athletic reasons