(07-19-2017 10:14 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:06 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:13 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 08:25 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  And of the three wkcc fans are the only ones that universally put their school first. We're all very surprised.

Kudos to the ODU and La Tech fans for some objectivity.

And......Of the 3 fanbases only one school is coming off of Back to Back CUSA championship....How does the saying go again?

Actually, there is another who has back to back titles but in basketball. And not all MT fans voted #1. As a result your logic has been refuted.

If we are being correct that would be back to back tourney champions.....

UAB won the regular season by 3 games two years ago. So that's not quite the same, now is it. As a result your logic has been refuted.

(07-19-2017 10:19 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:06 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:13 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 08:25 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  And of the three wkcc fans are the only ones that universally put their school first. We're all very surprised.

Kudos to the ODU and La Tech fans for some objectivity.

And......Of the 3 fanbases only one school is coming off of Back to Back CUSA championship....How does the saying go again?

Actually, there is another who has back to back titles but in basketball. And not all MT fans voted #1. As a result your logic has been refuted.

You lost your "QB" /heart in hoops and another player who had one of the greatest seasons ever in history of your program...Let's see how you do without those two first before we crown you champions again.....

(07-19-2017 09:41 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:44 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 05:27 AM)blazr Wrote:  1. ODU
2. WKU
3. UTSA - Lots of weapons & slightly better overall than MTSU
4. MTSU
5. LT
6. UNT
7. USM
8. Marshall - Splitting the difference here...they could rally together but I have a feeling their season could go off the rails and fast if they don't start strong.
9. UAB - It takes a true believer to accomplish unprecedented things and Clark is a true believer if there ever was one. No, I don't think he can will UAB to victories, but I think he has naturally recruited true believers and more talent than should have been remotely possible. Could finish lower but could finish surprisingly high, too (possibly 6 wins and a bowl). The case for the latter is helped by the state of UTEP and Rice.
10. FAU - Is having Lane Kiffen a good thing anymore? I think at the G5 level it is somewhat, but he's got a rather low ceiling...both personally and at FAU. I think he's focused on building his resume, too, and in contrast to Clark that is not the stuff of a true believer.
11. Charlotte
12. FIU
13. UTEP
14. Rice

I also don't think the W/L records will line up with the rankings above as teams in the East will beat each other up more so than in the West. Especially if the best case scenario plays out in Huntington.

Mr. Blazr, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Everyone gets these foggy glasses and refuse to look at facts when it come to Lane. Lane in his 1st at UT year had a two game improvement including Mount Cody block away from beating then number one Bama. At USC he goes 8-5 then 10-2 and started to struggle when they the scholarships loss hit the full 30 players. He goes to Bama and finishes top 4 team in the country 3 years he is there. Makes really avg QB's like Blake Sims and Jacob Coaker look like world beaters. Yet Bill Clark who has one 6-6 season with 1 win over team with winning record yet they will TRUE BELIVE there way to 9th best team in the conference. FAU returns 88 percent of the roster off a team that started 3 seniors last year and only 2 upper classmen on the entire defense wont be good because you think you have Lane pinned down.

To be fair, FAU did give up 77 points to a team without at QB the last time they took the field. So, I mean...

Everyone has view and they are often skewed by predisposed perceptions. How many of these are truly objective? Less than one hand full I would bet. I actually see FAU as one of the more improved teams in the league and if FAU is improved and Marshall is improved his opening remark has merit. We may well beat up on each other in the east.

(07-10-2015 02:31 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  FAU lost 4 games on the final play and we beat you guys.
We have senior QB and the best online we have had in a decade.
Throw in a very strong class and a more favorable schedule I see better the 3 wins.
C-USA teams are about the same any ways there is not much difference between the team that goes 3-9 and 9-3 in this league.
75 percent of the C-USA games I watch come down to the final drive.
Even Marshall last year was loosing to us for much of the game including the 3 really bad calls called against us.
Please stop pretending how we know how any team will finish this year.

(06-30-2016 09:47 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  Yes we only lost 12 players to graduation.
With the few years of recruiting we have had we are going to be real good this year.
We are flat our loaded with talent his year.

(07-19-2017 01:18 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  OwlCountry, you may be the most optimistic fan on this board. Saw these while looking at season predictions from 2015 and 2016.

(07-10-2015 02:31 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  FAU lost 4 games on the final play and we beat you guys.
We have senior QB and the best online we have had in a decade.
Throw in a very strong class and a more favorable schedule I see better the 3 wins.
C-USA teams are about the same any ways there is not much difference between the team that goes 3-9 and 9-3 in this league.
75 percent of the C-USA games I watch come down to the final drive.
Even Marshall last year was loosing to us for much of the game including the 3 really bad calls called against us.
Please stop pretending how we know how any team will finish this year.

(06-30-2016 09:47 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  Yes we only lost 12 players to graduation.
With the few years of recruiting we have had we are going to be real good this year.
We are flat our loaded with talent his year.

(07-19-2017 10:21 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 08:23 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 01:11 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 12:48 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:29 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  So more La Tech fans voted their football team #1 (62.5%) than Western basketball fans did (60.0%). Are their football fans pompous? They haven't finished #1 in football yet but still voted themselves champs. Western fans who have witnessed 2 years of steamrolling (21-1) are culpable because why?

At least Western gives you a reason to get up every day. Keeping (trying) us in our place. (First place. lol)

Yep, we should all just cancel the season and go ahead and crown y'all the champs. No reason to play the games I reckon. You've clearly earned this year's championship already.

This is just a friendly poll. That's all. Nobody will be crowned. Unlike the last 2 seasons when you listed myriad reasons that Western wouldn't finish first on the way to consecutive crowns. Two years ago you beat the drum of bad defense and last year you cried no Doughty. Both of those times you were wrong. But you're right this time. Put us at the bottom with Rice. No?

Wrong on a lot of accounts. As for your defense two years ago if you don't get the two UAB transfers (especially the D-Linemen) your defense would have still stunk. I never even contemplated what type of impact they would have. No one did. I guess it is better to be lucky than good sometimes. And you know this as well as I do that was a major factor in the defense being improved.

As for post Doughty, I never said you wouldn't win. All I said is that he would be hard to replace. Brohm showed just how good of a coach he is by turning White into something more than serviceable. Credit where it is due. I'm not saying he will or won't this year, but I think one of the top story lines is how well White plays without him. I'm not making a prediction. Just think it's an interesting story.

Are you sure about the bold part? Maybe you need your memory refreshed? Say the word and I will refresh it for you with quotes.

I remember it going something like this....

All Western's defense needs to do is improve getting off the field on 3rd and 4th down by 10 or 15 % and with the additions of the two UAB players and just improvement from year to year that should be easy to do.

You are others (Marshall fans) refused to believe that could happen.

Now that isn't a word for word quote. But I bet it went closer to that than the bold part in your post. Again...you want the quotes?

(07-19-2017 01:39 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:21 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 08:23 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 01:11 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 12:48 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yep, we should all just cancel the season and go ahead and crown y'all the champs. No reason to play the games I reckon. You've clearly earned this year's championship already.

This is just a friendly poll. That's all. Nobody will be crowned. Unlike the last 2 seasons when you listed myriad reasons that Western wouldn't finish first on the way to consecutive crowns. Two years ago you beat the drum of bad defense and last year you cried no Doughty. Both of those times you were wrong. But you're right this time. Put us at the bottom with Rice. No?

Wrong on a lot of accounts. As for your defense two years ago if you don't get the two UAB transfers (especially the D-Linemen) your defense would have still stunk. I never even contemplated what type of impact they would have. No one did. I guess it is better to be lucky than good sometimes. And you know this as well as I do that was a major factor in the defense being improved.

As for post Doughty, I never said you wouldn't win. All I said is that he would be hard to replace. Brohm showed just how good of a coach he is by turning White into something more than serviceable. Credit where it is due. I'm not saying he will or won't this year, but I think one of the top story lines is how well White plays without him. I'm not making a prediction. Just think it's an interesting story.

Are you sure about the bold part? Maybe you need your memory refreshed? Say the word and I will refresh it for you with quotes.

I remember it going something like this....

All Western's defense needs to do is improve getting off the field on 3rd and 4th down by 10 or 15 % and with the additions of the two UAB players and just improvement from year to year that should be easy to do.

You are others (Marshall fans) refused to believe that could happen.

Now that isn't a word for word quote. But I bet it went closer to that than the bold part in your post. Again...you want the quotes?

You also pointed out how many young people played massive minutes the year before and pointed out if they just made the normal progression that our Defense could be 10% to 15% better on 3rd and 4th down.

It's hard to believe that someone that prides himself on his massive intellect like tibl does thinks 2 players out of 11 turns one of the statistically worse defenses into one of the statistically best defenses in the conference. Omarius Bryant was very near as good a pickup from juco as Jontavious Morris was from UAB on the dee line. Nick Newton and Nick Holt had great senior seasons along with TJ McCollum. Prince Charles Iworah and Wonderful Terry had great senior seasons.

But the 2 UAB players singlehandedly won the conference. It's hard to believe that tibl is that simple. Maybe he does believe in 'luck'.

(07-19-2017 10:53 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:19 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:06 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:13 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 08:25 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  And of the three wkcc fans are the only ones that universally put their school first. We're all very surprised.

Kudos to the ODU and La Tech fans for some objectivity.

And......Of the 3 fanbases only one school is coming off of Back to Back CUSA championship....How does the saying go again?

Actually, there is another who has back to back titles but in basketball. And not all MT fans voted #1. As a result your logic has been refuted.

You lost your "QB" /heart in hoops and another player who had one of the greatest seasons ever in history of your program...Let's see how you do without those two first before we crown you champions again.....

LMAO. Cause you lost nothing to your football program.

(07-19-2017 02:00 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 01:39 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 10:21 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 08:23 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 01:11 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  This is just a friendly poll. That's all. Nobody will be crowned. Unlike the last 2 seasons when you listed myriad reasons that Western wouldn't finish first on the way to consecutive crowns. Two years ago you beat the drum of bad defense and last year you cried no Doughty. Both of those times you were wrong. But you're right this time. Put us at the bottom with Rice. No?

Wrong on a lot of accounts. As for your defense two years ago if you don't get the two UAB transfers (especially the D-Linemen) your defense would have still stunk. I never even contemplated what type of impact they would have. No one did. I guess it is better to be lucky than good sometimes. And you know this as well as I do that was a major factor in the defense being improved.

As for post Doughty, I never said you wouldn't win. All I said is that he would be hard to replace. Brohm showed just how good of a coach he is by turning White into something more than serviceable. Credit where it is due. I'm not saying he will or won't this year, but I think one of the top story lines is how well White plays without him. I'm not making a prediction. Just think it's an interesting story.

Are you sure about the bold part? Maybe you need your memory refreshed? Say the word and I will refresh it for you with quotes.

I remember it going something like this....

All Western's defense needs to do is improve getting off the field on 3rd and 4th down by 10 or 15 % and with the additions of the two UAB players and just improvement from year to year that should be easy to do.

You are others (Marshall fans) refused to believe that could happen.

Now that isn't a word for word quote. But I bet it went closer to that than the bold part in your post. Again...you want the quotes?

You also pointed out how many young people played massive minutes the year before and pointed out if they just made the normal progression that our Defense could be 10% to 15% better on 3rd and 4th down.

It's hard to believe that someone that prides himself on his massive intellect like tibl does thinks 2 players out of 11 turns one of the statistically worse defenses into one of the statistically best defenses in the conference. Omarius Bryant was very near as good a pickup from juco as Jontavious Morris was from UAB on the dee line. Nick Newton and Nick Holt had great senior seasons along with TJ McCollum. Prince Charles Iworah and Wonderful Terry had great senior seasons.

But the 2 UAB players singlehandedly won the conference. It's hard to believe that tibl is that simple. Maybe he does believe in 'luck'.

Typically, I would agree with this sentiment, except at one position and that is defensive tackle. One elite DT can change the whole dichotomy of the defense, but you already know that. Morris wasn't elite but was good. Having both Morris and Bryant allowed y'all's defense to solidify the front four while providing depth. And all McCollum did is rack up 100+ tackles. But he probably doesn't make as many tackles if it weren't for Morris. That was the one addition that made that 10 to 15% happen or whatever the number was (which was probably a lot more than 10 to 15%).

Again, this is why I see a lot of similarities between where we are now and where you guys were then. The 2014 wkcc defense was worse than the one we had last year. We just need a 13 to 16% bump in our total defensive statistics and we have a top 50 defense - which is probably enough to win the league.

Problem is we don't have the defensive line to do it and we damn sure don't have the right coach in that position. See, dabeed that DT position is very important - as important as the QB. That one position is going to cost us 2 to 3 games this year. Cheers.

(07-19-2017 03:05 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Fortunate or just good personnel management?

Whatever we are doing at MT with respect to the DL, we should do the opposite cause it ain't working.

Stockstill seems like to take high school kids that project as big DE's (i.e. 250/260ish) and try to develop them in DTs later in life through the weight and nutrition route. Problem is the body type doesn't translate no matter how much weight they try to put on them. It's almost like Stockstill has given up on trying to land true DTs.

(07-18-2017 09:43 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:31 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  keep picking us last. I like it. This will be a fun season.

Marshall fans likewise have a surprisingly low number of poll participants, at least compared to the number of active posters on this forum. (That may be explained by the fact that neither UAB nor Marshall fielded a football team last season.)

(07-19-2017 04:19 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:43 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:31 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  keep picking us last. I like it. This will be a fun season.

Marshall fans likewise have a surprisingly low number of poll participants, at least compared to the number of active posters on this forum. (That may be explained by the fact that neither UAB nor Marshall fielded a football team last season.)

More likely that we Marshall fans were humbled last year, and have no idea what to think of this year. That's certainly how I feel.

(07-19-2017 04:24 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 04:19 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:43 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:31 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  keep picking us last. I like it. This will be a fun season.

Marshall fans likewise have a surprisingly low number of poll participants, at least compared to the number of active posters on this forum. (That may be explained by the fact that neither UAB nor Marshall fielded a football team last season.)

More likely that we Marshall fans were humbled last year, and have no idea what to think of this year. That's certainly how I feel.

Try going 0-26 for a stretch. Hell it might have been 0-28. Makes you appreciate what we have now. Why I stay humble about it.

(07-19-2017 03:05 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Fortunate or just good personnel management?

Whatever we are doing at MT with respect to the DL, we should do the opposite cause it ain't working.

Stockstill seems like to take high school kids that project as big DE's (i.e. 250/260ish) and try to develop them in DTs later in life through the weight and nutrition route. Problem is the body type doesn't translate no matter how much weight they try to put on them. It's almost like Stockstill has given up on trying to land true DTs.