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RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - BruceMcF - 07-14-2017 05:28 AM (07-14-2017 12:51 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:(07-12-2017 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: "That leaves Georgia Southern and App St in the Sunbelt and WKU, MTSU, Marshall, and ODU in C-USA. The SBC schools have storied FCS pasts but so does Marshall. I'd say the value of those 4 trumps the value of the SBCs pair."[/b]Well yeah, I suppose 4 is better than 2 but that's an unfair premise. This is key: it tacitly switches from the relevant comparison, average value per school, to "total value", where having 14 gives CUSA a clear advantage in having greater total value, even if it has equal or worse value per school and takes the extra hit in value from being oversized. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - Georgia_Power_Company - 07-14-2017 08:22 AM (07-13-2017 09:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:(07-13-2017 07:36 PM)panama Wrote:(07-13-2017 07:31 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:Silly season post in silly season thread? Which part of your post was not conjecture or opinion? As for our retrofitted baseball field...it's a bit more than that...(07-12-2017 09:42 PM)panama Wrote:(07-12-2017 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Does anyone have solid numbers for what C-USA schools are bringing in each year versus what the Sunbelt does? Conferences are judged by the top programs not the bottom. No one is claiming the Big 10 is great based on Illinois or Purdue these days. Arguably CUSA's top 5 programs currently are: WKU, Middle Tenn, LTU, Marshall & So Miss The Sun Belt's top 5 programs currently are: Ark St, App St, Troy, Louisiana & Georgia Southern If you look at these programs objectively I think you will find that the top of each league is already pretty equal. So you combine that with the fact that CUSA has more bottom dwellers than the Sun Belt, makes less revenue per school and the Sun Belt is tightening it's footprint after this season that is why many in the Sun Belt like our conference better than CUSA. Many of the Sun Belt schools are new to FBS and have much higher ceilings than our CUSA counterparts as well. At this point it would be harder for CUSA to raid the Sun Belt than for the reverse to happen and that alone tells you all you need to know. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - chrisattsu - 07-14-2017 10:26 AM (07-12-2017 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Does anyone have solid numbers for what C-USA schools are bringing in each year versus what the Sunbelt does? It is very easy to have a better football program, when Texas State was voted the WORST program in the country for 2016. We were bowl eligible in 2013 and 2014, but we were not selected. We had coaching staff and players give up on each other in 2015 and as a regime/culture change in 2016. We will bounce back. Despite the the terrible football, we led the standings for the 2016-2017 Bubas Cup (best overall athletic department in the Sun Belt) until South Alabama won the baseball tourney and put them .5 point ahead of us. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - Cyniclone - 07-14-2017 10:32 AM (07-13-2017 09:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:(07-13-2017 02:40 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:(07-13-2017 01:42 PM)MplsBison Wrote: Chicago St is on a contract with the WAC, and it likely won't be renewed. Which illustrates how significant the issues must be for a conference to take that kind of action against one of its full-sports members. St. Bonaventure didn't get booted from the A-10 after playing an ineligible player in 2003 and the team walkout that ensued. SMU didn't get booted from the SWC when they actually did get a death penalty. There have probably been behind-the-scenes nudging but action is extraordinarily rare. Virginia Tech and VCU (and Dayton from the Great Midwest) weren't legally evicted. Their then-conference mates abandoned them to create CUSA. VT was a football thing; they (rightly) saw more value as Big East football member than a CUSA all-sports, gambling that they'd eventually get a full invite to the BE. It took them longer than they anticipated, but it panned out. Dayton did OK too. VCU took it in the shorts but they also ended up OK, even if by way of the scenic route. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - Fighting Muskie - 07-14-2017 09:28 PM Sunbelt guys: if you were to objectively (I know it's tough not to overvalue your school) rank the Sunbelt athletic programs how would you rank them? Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - arkstfan - 07-14-2017 10:30 PM (07-14-2017 09:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Sunbelt guys: if you were to objectively (I know it's tough not to overvalue your school) rank the Sunbelt athletic programs how would you rank them? Ranking comes down to what you value. Is football equal to hoops? Are sports other than football and basketball equal them? Does fan support play in? I like the league but I have issues with how UALR and ULM are run. UALR only fully funds scholarships in 4 out of 14 sports and we as a league pressured New Orleans and Denver to leave by declaring anyone without 15 conference sports had four years to add sports or leave, soon as they leave UALR drops tennis. ULM's administration keeps athletics on a starvation diet and until the leadership gets serious about competing I consider the program a problem. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - MplsBison - 07-17-2017 09:16 AM Yeah, but UALR won the Sun Belt tourney in 2015-16 and went to March Madness that year. And for that matter, UTA did the same in 2016-17. I'm sure the Sun Belt cares about baseball, to an extent. But just like the SEC, it's a nice to have but doesn't move the needle. The needle movers, as have been known for some time, are college football with a nice side helping of March Madness. That's it. Other sports/events, college world series, college frozen four, even college lacrosse and perhaps one day soccer, have fervent supporters but aren't needle movers and drivers of realignment on their own. Sun Belt isn't kicking UALR or ULM out, and the NCAA isn't kicking ULM out of FBS. And if UALR manages to add a football team, the Sun Belt will give them a spot in the league. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - HoustonCajun - 07-17-2017 10:05 AM (07-10-2017 09:52 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote: CUSA should go to 16 before going to the negotiating table. Without question. 14 teams has always been an odd number for CUSA. IMO, the solution is not to expand CUSA, but divide CUSA and the SBC into Eastern and Western based all sports conferences. CUSA Marshall MT WKU ODU UAB Charlotte App State GA State GA Southern CCU FAU FIU SBC Ark State LA Tech N. Texas Louisiana USM USA Troy Rice Texas State UTSA UTEP NMSU RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - AppManDG - 07-17-2017 10:47 AM (07-13-2017 08:47 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:16 team conferences might be silly, but 18 teams divided into 9 team divisions is perfect. 4 home & 4 away conf games and 4 nonconf opponents plus you get a true divisional champion.(07-11-2017 08:10 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:(07-11-2017 06:20 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:(07-11-2017 02:22 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote: Each G5 conference gets $10 million from the CFP regardless of the amount of teams.Strictly speaking, it's $1m/school for up to 10 FB schools ... but now that Coastal Carolina has brought the SBC up to 10 FB schools, it's $10m all around. Sent from my XT1254 using CSNbbs mobile app RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - Nerdlinger - 07-17-2017 11:53 AM (07-17-2017 10:05 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote: IMO, the solution is not to expand CUSA, but divide CUSA and the SBC into Eastern and Western based all sports conferences. Maybe switch the names. In the unlikely event that such an exchange of schools is going to happen, C-USA will probably want to keep their Texas schools. Also, nobody will want NMSU when they already have UTEP. C-USA East: Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB, ULL, ULM West: Arkansas State, North Texas, Rice, Texas State, UTEP, UTSA Sun Belt North: Appalachian State, Charlotte, Marshall, MTSU, ODU, WKU South: Coastal Carolina, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, South Alabama RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - MplsBison - 07-17-2017 11:57 AM (07-17-2017 10:47 AM)AppManDG Wrote: 16 team conferences might be silly, but 18 teams divided into 9 team divisions is perfect. 4 home & 4 away conf games and 4 nonconf opponents plus you get a true divisional champion. Though the CCG rules as written now don't at all prevent that, some might argue that if a conf went to 16 and didn't have any cross-divisional games at all ... then that's really just two separate conferences masquerading as one and should be split up. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - Nerdlinger - 07-17-2017 12:21 PM (07-17-2017 11:57 AM)MplsBison Wrote:(07-17-2017 10:47 AM)AppManDG Wrote: 16 team conferences might be silly, but 18 teams divided into 9 team divisions is perfect. 4 home & 4 away conf games and 4 nonconf opponents plus you get a true divisional champion. Going to 16 actually provides a great opportunity for increasing cross-division play, as you can organize the conference into 4-team pods that rotate among the divisions, as the WAC did from 1996-98. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - Stugray2 - 07-17-2017 12:38 PM pods don't work. The WAC was a failure. Schools/fans want rivalries. Moving teams every couple of years to new divisional configurations is confusing. Further when the WAC wanted to switch pods it was the catalyst for the MWC to break off, as schools, already unhappy with the WAC expansion, felt not playing certain schools for a couple years was too much. CUSA is just as weak as the old WAC, with very little revenue and only one NCAA bid last year. 16 schools would almost certainly see 8 or 9 schools break off, meeting the NCAA requirement of enough schools with continuous play to be given an AQ (a little rule bending but the NCAA would not see this as adding schools to the mix, similar to the new Big East). So go ahead and expand to 16. That will simply speed up the collapse. It's not like USM is trying to leave, or that Rice and UTEP were in serious conversation with the MWC. Everyone is happy, right? RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - Nerdlinger - 07-17-2017 12:43 PM (07-17-2017 12:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: pods don't work. I don't think C-USA should expand. I was just speaking generally about pods. I had thought the problem with the WAC had more to do with geography than scheduling. The MWC has been wise in not expanding as far east as the WAC did. I think only the Pac could pull off a move like that and make it last. Also, for cross-pod matchups, you don't have to do a home-and-home in consecutive years, but rather every other year. That way you can play every team in the conference within 2 years. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - DavidSt - 07-17-2017 01:52 PM (07-17-2017 11:53 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(07-17-2017 10:05 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote: IMO, the solution is not to expand CUSA, but divide CUSA and the SBC into Eastern and Western based all sports conferences. Remove La.-Monroe and New Mexico State, or that idea will not happen. If Little Rock and UTA re-starts football? They will take those places. La.-Monroe and New Mexico State and could wind up being Independents. If Chattanooga goes FBS, they want to bring East Tennessee State with them. James Madison could slip in there somewhere, and so would Stony Brook. If North Florida adds football? They are a school that the Sun Belt have been looking to add. You might wind up forming a third FBS conference out of those two and with the top FCS schools in the area. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - Nerdlinger - 07-17-2017 02:12 PM (07-17-2017 01:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Remove La.-Monroe and New Mexico State, or that idea will not happen. In this scenario, wouldn't it be a mutual agreement between the two conferences? The idea being to help out all their members? That's why I didn't drop ULM. Of course, the others could very well screw ULM over by leaving them out. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - AppManDG - 07-17-2017 07:01 PM (07-17-2017 01:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(07-17-2017 11:53 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(07-17-2017 10:05 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote: IMO, the solution is not to expand CUSA, but divide CUSA and the SBC into Eastern and Western based all sports conferences. Could there be an underlying reason the Sunbelt has considered moving their offices to Chattanooga? RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - Cyniclone - 07-17-2017 07:12 PM (07-17-2017 07:01 PM)AppManDG Wrote:(07-17-2017 01:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(07-17-2017 11:53 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(07-17-2017 10:05 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote: IMO, the solution is not to expand CUSA, but divide CUSA and the SBC into Eastern and Western based all sports conferences. I doubt it. The Atlantic 10 moved its offices from Philly to Newport News a few years ago, but Christopher Newport hasn't jumped there from D3. It's probably just a proximity thing. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - Tom in Lazybrook - 07-17-2017 07:26 PM There will be no 're-sorting' of the conferences. There's too many teams that would be unhappy in both conferences. RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State) - Lopes87 - 07-17-2017 07:28 PM Would CUSA consider OLY schools in expansion? |