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RE: Football at WSU - fastbow - 06-28-2017 10:20 AM
(06-28-2017 06:10 AM)Stookey57 Wrote: I knew this would happen after one football season the Shockers will be wanting to add football mark my words
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Man, we've been having this conversation for over twenty years. Where have you been?
RE: Football at WSU - Stookey57 - 06-28-2017 10:38 AM
While Wichita watches us all play football mark my they're going to want to play too it's only Human Nature
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Football at WSU - Pony94 - 06-28-2017 10:44 AM
(06-28-2017 10:38 AM)Stookey57 Wrote: While Wichita watches us all play football mark my they're going to want to play too it's only Human Nature
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How does one watch Central Connecticut play?
RE: Football at WSU - Underdog - 06-28-2017 10:52 AM
(06-27-2017 06:09 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:(06-27-2017 05:41 PM)Underdog Wrote:(06-27-2017 05:11 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: So if we don't have football and the Broken12 raids the AAC, how many will they take, who will they take, and most importantly... what's WSU's chances of being included as a basketball only if we are still a perennial top 25 program?
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If you would please read post #53 in this thread, I provided general answers to your questions. However, if you still want specific answers, I will do my best to provide them for you on tomorrow. Until then, please see if post #53 is satisfactory before we continue….
Quote:Consequently, Wichita St fans should be concerned about what happens to the B12. Also, please consider the conference that had the most potential B12 expansion candidates—the one that your school just joined!
Furthermore, the key to the survival of this conference is what happens to WV (West Virginia). If WV is one of the B12 leftovers, this conference will get decimated. The B12 has discussed in the past about building a bridge to WV. Once its GOR expires and certain schools leave (I anticipate at least 5), the remaining schools will use “American” parts to build a bridge to WV. They will also likely expand past 12 schools to imitate the other “Autonomous” conferences. As a result, there might not be enough schools left for the American to once again raid CUSA. Thus, it could be too weakened by the B12 raid to survive. WS would be in serious trouble for not having a football program should this occur.
Therefore, if WS at least plays FCS, it increases the probability of getting an invite because the B12 leftovers would likely receive a 2 year notice that the other schools are leaving; also, the American would need replacements.
I think I captured the pertinent points. Thanks!
I can't imagine WV staying in a depleted Big12. They are already a regional outlier. They join one of either the B1G, SEC, or ACC IMO. But I can understand the dynamic that would occur in the AAC if they did remain. They've got Cincy and UConn in their backyard.
When the B12’s GOR expires, the B1G and SEC will be making over $55 mil a school. WV doesn’t increase the value of either conference, so it wouldn’t get considered for an invite. Also, the B1G would never invite WV for academic reasons. With the B1G and SEC making that kind of money, the ACC would fall further behind them in tv revenue. WV would not increase the ACC’s revenue enough to add it in my opinion. Moreover, WV is not a marquee school with a large market and national brand. Consequently, odds are that WV will probably get left behind in the B12.
So from both standpoints, what does the Big12 look like after all the defections are complete in your opinion? WV in and WV out.
Based on my above opinion, I have no scenario where WV isn’t left behind. OU and OSU could either end up in the SEC or PAC 12. UT can go wherever it wants to a certain extent—which depends on what it's willing to do with the LHN. UT would also likely try to take TT with it. The only conference that was willing to take UT, TT, OU, and OSU on two separate occasions is the PAC 12. The only other school that I see escaping the B12 implosion is KU, which likely goes to the B1G. Therefore, the B1G 12 leftovers would likely be: Iowa St, Kansas St, Baylor, TCU, and WV.
What happens to the American depends on what they decide to do about WV. They could cut ties with WV and focus on western expansion by raiding the MWC and trying to add BYU, which is a decision that I would make. The main reason they would consider this option is because the only conference to compete with in a western footprint is the PAC 12. However, I think that the B12 will likely build a bridge to WV—which is a poor decision because their new footprint would primarily be in ACC, B1G, and SEC footprints. Nevertheless, I could see the following scenarios (please note that there are so many different scenarios like adding BYU that I only focus on what would happen if American schools were added to a B12/B14/B16):
The B12
Big West: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas St, Memphis, TCU
Big East: Temple (added only because it was in the oBE), UC, UCF, UConn, USF, WV (this division would have 5 former oBE members)
American Leftovers: ECU (This was a tough choice because it has the best football fan base), SMU (small private that wouldn't be added because TCU is in that market), Tulane (small private), Tulsa (small private), WS (no football program), and Navy which would likely become an independent again. Furthermore, I don’t see the B12 schools agreeing to allow it to keep its Army/Navy game $$ after dealing with Texas and the LHN. SMU, WS, and Navy will face the same issues in each scenario. ECU, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, and WS would likely be able to raid CUSA by using the exit fees as a lure. Also, there are some schools in CUSA that desperately want to get out. However, there are too many possible scenarios for me to list regarding the rebuilt American.
The B14
Big West: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas St, Memphis, TCU, Tulane
Big East: ECU, Temple, UC, UCF, UConn, USF, WV
American Leftovers: SMU, Tulsa, WS, and Navy. Navy goes independent, while SMU and Tulsa try to get into either the MWC or CUSA. WS would likely have to go back to where it came from.
The B16
Big West: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas St, SMU, TCU, Tulane, Tulsa
Big East: ECU, Memphis, Temple, UC, UCF, UConn, USF, WV
American Leftovers: WS and Navy.
I think this would likely happen because it allows for the American to be dissolved, which eliminates any exit fees and encourages each school to join the rebuilt B16. The B12 owns the rights to the B16 name (if I’m not mistaken). Please forgive me if I left out a school.
Now what does the AAC look like if it survives and poaches from lower leagues.
There are too many possible scenarios for me to list regarding a rebuilt American. Also, please read the comments next to red font above.
And finally, if you'd be so kind... provide a couple mock scenarios based on your assumptions/opinion showing the type of conference Wichita State would be in after 2025.
Without a football program, WS would likely have to go back to where it came from.
Bear with me here, I'm trying to use your knowledge of the AAC/B12/2025 dynamic (of which I know very little) to support my logic (of which I have a lot) to end, once and for all, the silly rebuttal some Shocker fans have for not at least attempting to restart a sport, that is the #1 defining characteristic of a major athletic university at a time when major universities are regrouping for branding purposes.
The above is only my opinion.... I'm sure there are many members here that have different opinions. Some believe that the American will add the B12 leftovers. Below is a link to a good realignment scenario thread that incudes this conference. The thread is located on the SEC board. I gave a partial response to the op’s suggestion—which I disagreed with and explained why in post #8:
http://csnbbs.com/thread-820708.html
In closing, I hope that my response was satisfactory to you. I really want Shocker fans to feel at home here, but also know that this home could collapse in the future….
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My comments are in bold ^
RE: Football at WSU - C0|db|00ded - 06-28-2017 11:19 AM
(06-28-2017 10:38 AM)Stookey57 Wrote: While Wichita watches us all play football mark my they're going to want to play too it's only Human Nature
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I can only hope the aspect of "human nature" you're referring to, envy, causes Shocker Nation to coalesce around the issue and not another one, fear. Because if you read Shocker posters, you'd think we were the biggest bunch of cowards on the planet.
You might find this surprising considering my oft shrill tone towards football dissenters, but I'm not a football fan. I don't watch it and I don't know much about it. I am however a Wichita State fan and know full well the impact this popular sport would have on my alma mater's institutional outlook.
Our recent ascension to a better basketball league coupled with just learning that Butler and Villanova play FCS football has shifted my attitude on the Shockers playing at that level. I believe we could handle the costs without a major investment up front and it could turn out to be what saves us during the upcoming - perhaps final - major realignment.
Instead of the conversation going like, "Well, Wichita State is basketball-only so that doesn't help us", it could go like, "Wichita State is currently playing FCS football and I've heard they've put together a contingency plan to quickly upgrade if faced with the opportunity to improve their basketball conference affiliation".
It's certainly not ideal compared to already playing FBS, but it's a helluva lot more comforting than having zero program at all. Maybe it doesn't matter; maybe it does. But having some semblance of football on campus carries with it a ton of other benefits that greatly improve the campus culture of a university, even if it's only minor league.
If it's good enough for Nova and Bulter, it's good enough for us... for now.
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RE: Football at WSU - invisiblehand - 06-28-2017 11:22 AM
You don't need 50K seat stadium to start out. 30Kish would be a better bet, then if the program got up and running you could choose to expand it. That being said, this would be a multi-year process. You would need recruits. You would need a whole new training and coaching staff, new media relations staff, etc... start out in the MVFC or the big sky then see where you're at. But also realize that it's hard to fund and be successful at two sports (basketball and football) at the same time few schools can do it effectively. You might be giving away basketball success at the price of a football team.
RE: Football at WSU - C0|db|00ded - 06-28-2017 11:32 AM
(06-28-2017 10:52 AM)Underdog Wrote:(06-27-2017 06:09 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:(06-27-2017 05:41 PM)Underdog Wrote:(06-27-2017 05:11 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: So if we don't have football and the Broken12 raids the AAC, how many will they take, who will they take, and most importantly... what's WSU's chances of being included as a basketball only if we are still a perennial top 25 program?
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If you would please read post #53 in this thread, I provided general answers to your questions. However, if you still want specific answers, I will do my best to provide them for you on tomorrow. Until then, please see if post #53 is satisfactory before we continue….
Quote:Consequently, Wichita St fans should be concerned about what happens to the B12. Also, please consider the conference that had the most potential B12 expansion candidates—the one that your school just joined!
Furthermore, the key to the survival of this conference is what happens to WV (West Virginia). If WV is one of the B12 leftovers, this conference will get decimated. The B12 has discussed in the past about building a bridge to WV. Once its GOR expires and certain schools leave (I anticipate at least 5), the remaining schools will use “American” parts to build a bridge to WV. They will also likely expand past 12 schools to imitate the other “Autonomous” conferences. As a result, there might not be enough schools left for the American to once again raid CUSA. Thus, it could be too weakened by the B12 raid to survive. WS would be in serious trouble for not having a football program should this occur.
Therefore, if WS at least plays FCS, it increases the probability of getting an invite because the B12 leftovers would likely receive a 2 year notice that the other schools are leaving; also, the American would need replacements.
I think I captured the pertinent points. Thanks!
I can't imagine WV staying in a depleted Big12. They are already a regional outlier. They join one of either the B1G, SEC, or ACC IMO. But I can understand the dynamic that would occur in the AAC if they did remain. They've got Cincy and UConn in their backyard.
When the B12’s GOR expires, the B1G and SEC will be making over $55 mil a school. WV doesn’t increase the value of either conference, so it wouldn’t get considered for an invite. Also, the B1G would never invite WV for academic reasons. With the B1G and SEC making that kind of money, the ACC would fall further behind them in tv revenue. WV would not increase the ACC’s revenue enough to add it in my opinion. Moreover, WV is not a marquee school with a large market and national brand. Consequently, odds are that WV will probably get left behind in the B12.
So from both standpoints, what does the Big12 look like after all the defections are complete in your opinion? WV in and WV out.
Based on my above opinion, I have no scenario where WV isn’t left behind. OU and OSU could either end up in the SEC or PAC 12. UT can go wherever it wants to a certain extent—which depends on what it's willing to do with the LHN. UT would also likely try to take TT with it. The only conference that was willing to take UT, TT, OU, and OSU on two separate occasions is the PAC 12. The only other school that I see escaping the B12 implosion is KU, which likely goes to the B1G. Therefore, the B1G 12 leftovers would likely be: Iowa St, Kansas St, Baylor, TCU, and WV.
What happens to the American depends on what they decide to do about WV. They could cut ties with WV and focus on western expansion by raiding the MWC and trying to add BYU, which is a decision that I would make. The main reason they would consider this option is because the only conference to compete with in a western footprint is the PAC 12. However, I think that the B12 will likely build a bridge to WV—which would be a poor decision because their new footprint would be primarily in ACC, B1G, and SEC territories. Nevertheless, I could see the following scenarios (please note that there are so many different scenarios like adding BYU that I only focus on what would happen if American schools were added to a B12/B14/B16):
The B12
Big West: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas St, Memphis, TCU
Big East: Temple (add only because it was in the oBE), UC, UCF, UConn, USF, WV (this division would have 5 former oBE members)
American Leftovers: ECU (This was a tough choice because it has the best football fan base), SMU (small private that wouldn't be added because TCU is in that market), Tulane (small private), Tulsa (small private), WS (no football program), and Navy which would likely become an independent again. Furthermore, I don’t see the B12 schools agreeing to allow it to keep its Army/Navy game $$ after dealing with Texas and the LHN. SMU, WS, and Navy will face the same issues in each scenario. ECU, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, and WS would likely be able to raid CUSA by using the exit fees as a lure. Also, there are some schools in CUSA that desperately want to get out. However, there are too many possible scenarios for me to list regarding the rebuilt American.
The B14
Big West: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas St, Memphis, TCU, Tulane
Big East: ECU, Temple, UC, UCF, UConn, USF, WV
American Leftovers: SMU, Tulsa, WS, and Navy. Navy goes independent, while SMU and Tulsa try to get into either the MWC or CUSA. WS would likely have to go back to where it came from.
The B16
Big West: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas St, SMU, TCU, Tulane, Tulsa
Big East: ECU, Memphis, Temple, UC, UCF, UConn, USF, WV
American Leftovers: WS and Navy.
I think this would likely happen because it allows for the American to be dissolved, which eliminates any exit fees and encourages each school to join the rebuilt B16. The B12 owns the rights to the B16 name (if I’m not mistaken). Please for give me if I left out a school.
Now what does the AAC look like if it survives and poaches from lower leagues.
There are too many possible scenarios for me to list regarding a rebuilt American. Also, please read the comments next to red font above.
And finally, if you'd be so kind... provide a couple mock scenarios based on your assumptions/opinion showing the type of conference Wichita State would be in after 2025.
Without a football program, WS would likely have to go back to where it came from.
Bear with me here, I'm trying to use your knowledge of the AAC/B12/2025 dynamic (of which I know very little) to support my logic (of which I have a lot) to end, once and for all, the silly rebuttal some Shocker fans have for not at least attempting to restart a sport, that is the #1 defining characteristic of a major athletic university at a time when major universities are regrouping for branding purposes.
The above is only my opinion.... I'm sure there are many members here that have different opinions. Some believe that the American will add the B12 leftovers. Below is a link to a good realignment scenario thread that incudes this conference. The thread is located on the SEC board. I gave a partial response to the op’s suggestion—which I disagreed with and explained why in post #8:
http://csnbbs.com/thread-820708.html
In closing, I hope that my response was satisfactory to you. I really want Shocker fans to feel at home here, but also know that this home could collapse in the future….
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My comments are in bold ^
Thank you for your hard work! I wish I could +1 you. Your analysis falls in line with solid logic. Wichita State is screwed in any probable scenario save for a tiny handful of outcomes.
Wichita State anti-football fan: I will direct you to this post each and every time I hear a negative word about football come out of your mouth. I will then ask if you'd like to see Shocker Basketball relegated to an even weaker MVC... or worse (remember, it will be 2025 with WSU having left the MVC for 7 years) as a result of not restarting football.
Case has been closed.
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RE: Football at WSU - rabidTU2 - 06-28-2017 11:40 AM
As I mentioned on your individual board, the best thing to do is to get the city of Wichita to endorse a neutral site game between probably Tulsa and another DI football team (my suggestion was Air Force) to play at Cessna. (Neutral site games generally don't hurt a programs home schedule since it is normally counted as an away game for both schools.) It would give everyone there an idea of what CFB would be like if WSU were to restart their program.
But ideally, I would wait a few years to give the folks in Wichita time to adjust to the new league. Cessna is probably close to big enough if the 24,000 number is correct, but would probably need more bells and whistles like a video board that would be capable of doing "replay", concessions expansion, etc.
This isn't something that some college president can just snap their fingers and make appear. CFB is expensive with close to 100 scholarships added, a huge coaching budget, recruiting expenses etc. But if you could make it happen, the rewards are immense.
But my advice is to give it a little time and do it in stages. Wait a few years until the Shocker brand is entrenched into the fabric of the league. Start with the MVCFBC or even better - independant to test the waters. Hire Parcels! :)
RE: Football at WSU - C0|db|00ded - 06-28-2017 11:42 AM
(06-28-2017 11:22 AM)invisiblehand Wrote: You don't need 50K seat stadium to start out. 30Kish would be a better bet, then if the program got up and running you could choose to expand it. That being said, this would be a multi-year process. You would need recruits. You would need a whole new training and coaching staff, new media relations staff, etc... start out in the MVFC or the big sky then see where you're at. But also realize that it's hard to fund and be successful at two sports (basketball and football) at the same time few schools can do it effectively. You might be giving away basketball success at the price of a football team.
Our football stadium currently seats 30k. 10 million would bring it up to spec I think.
Quote:But also realize that it's hard to fund and be successful at two sports (basketball and football) at the same time few schools can do it effectively. You might be giving away basketball success at the price of a football team.
Nova and Butler fund FCS football and they are successful at basketball. That's all that's required. We'd be monsters at the FCS level (whatever that means) so I'm sure we could stack up a few minor-league trophies. Winning is fun!
The point of having football is not having to face our immediate demise when things get really fkd up in 2025, it's not to take over the world. If we ever become FBS, then we can worry about making a mark. I'd be happy with a mediocre FBS team with occasional bright spots and a nationally competitive basketball and baseball program. That scenario would allow Wichita State as a major institution of higher learning to thrive (assuming we are in a power conference), creating the kind of regional impact The Bardo has envisioned.
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RE: Football at WSU - C0|db|00ded - 06-28-2017 11:47 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Stadium
Wiki is showing current capacity at 24k. It's always been 31.5k. Nothing structurally has changed...
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RE: Football at WSU - pablowow - 06-28-2017 11:55 AM
(06-28-2017 10:52 AM)Underdog Wrote:(06-27-2017 06:09 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:(06-27-2017 05:41 PM)Underdog Wrote:(06-27-2017 05:11 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: So if we don't have football and the Broken12 raids the AAC, how many will they take, who will they take, and most importantly... what's WSU's chances of being included as a basketball only if we are still a perennial top 25 program?
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If you would please read post #53 in this thread, I provided general answers to your questions. However, if you still want specific answers, I will do my best to provide them for you on tomorrow. Until then, please see if post #53 is satisfactory before we continue….
Quote:Consequently, Wichita St fans should be concerned about what happens to the B12. Also, please consider the conference that had the most potential B12 expansion candidates—the one that your school just joined!
Furthermore, the key to the survival of this conference is what happens to WV (West Virginia). If WV is one of the B12 leftovers, this conference will get decimated. The B12 has discussed in the past about building a bridge to WV. Once its GOR expires and certain schools leave (I anticipate at least 5), the remaining schools will use “American” parts to build a bridge to WV. They will also likely expand past 12 schools to imitate the other “Autonomous” conferences. As a result, there might not be enough schools left for the American to once again raid CUSA. Thus, it could be too weakened by the B12 raid to survive. WS would be in serious trouble for not having a football program should this occur.
Therefore, if WS at least plays FCS, it increases the probability of getting an invite because the B12 leftovers would likely receive a 2 year notice that the other schools are leaving; also, the American would need replacements.
I think I captured the pertinent points. Thanks!
I can't imagine WV staying in a depleted Big12. They are already a regional outlier. They join one of either the B1G, SEC, or ACC IMO. But I can understand the dynamic that would occur in the AAC if they did remain. They've got Cincy and UConn in their backyard.
When the B12’s GOR expires, the B1G and SEC will be making over $55 mil a school. WV doesn’t increase the value of either conference, so it wouldn’t get considered for an invite. Also, the B1G would never invite WV for academic reasons. With the B1G and SEC making that kind of money, the ACC would fall further behind them in tv revenue. WV would not increase the ACC’s revenue enough to add it in my opinion. Moreover, WV is not a marquee school with a large market and national brand. Consequently, odds are that WV will probably get left behind in the B12.
So from both standpoints, what does the Big12 look like after all the defections are complete in your opinion? WV in and WV out.
Based on my above opinion, I have no scenario where WV isn’t left behind. OU and OSU could either end up in the SEC or PAC 12. UT can go wherever it wants to a certain extent—which depends on what it's willing to do with the LHN. UT would also likely try to take TT with it. The only conference that was willing to take UT, TT, OU, and OSU on two separate occasions is the PAC 12. The only other school that I see escaping the B12 implosion is KU, which likely goes to the B1G. Therefore, the B1G 12 leftovers would likely be: Iowa St, Kansas St, Baylor, TCU, and WV.
What happens to the American depends on what they decide to do about WV. They could cut ties with WV and focus on western expansion by raiding the MWC and trying to add BYU, which is a decision that I would make. The main reason they would consider this option is because the only conference to compete with in a western footprint is the PAC 12. However, I think that the B12 will likely build a bridge to WV—which is a poor decision because their new footprint would primarily be in ACC, B1G, and SEC footprints. Nevertheless, I could see the following scenarios (please note that there are so many different scenarios like adding BYU that I only focus on what would happen if American schools were added to a B12/B14/B16):
The B12
Big West: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas St, Memphis, TCU
Big East: Temple (added only because it was in the oBE), UC, UCF, UConn, USF, WV (this division would have 5 former oBE members)
American Leftovers: ECU (This was a tough choice because it has the best football fan base), SMU (small private that wouldn't be added because TCU is in that market), Tulane (small private), Tulsa (small private), WS (no football program), and Navy which would likely become an independent again. Furthermore, I don’t see the B12 schools agreeing to allow it to keep its Army/Navy game $$ after dealing with Texas and the LHN. SMU, WS, and Navy will face the same issues in each scenario. ECU, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, and WS would likely be able to raid CUSA by using the exit fees as a lure. Also, there are some schools in CUSA that desperately want to get out. However, there are too many possible scenarios for me to list regarding the rebuilt American.
The B14
Big West: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas St, Memphis, TCU, Tulane
Big East: ECU, Temple, UC, UCF, UConn, USF, WV
American Leftovers: SMU, Tulsa, WS, and Navy. Navy goes independent, while SMU and Tulsa try to get into either the MWC or CUSA. WS would likely have to go back to where it came from.
The B16
Big West: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas St, SMU, TCU, Tulane, Tulsa
Big East: ECU, Memphis, Temple, UC, UCF, UConn, USF, WV
American Leftovers: WS and Navy.
I think this would likely happen because it allows for the American to be dissolved, which eliminates any exit fees and encourages each school to join the rebuilt B16. The B12 owns the rights to the B16 name (if I’m not mistaken). Please forgive me if I left out a school.
Now what does the AAC look like if it survives and poaches from lower leagues.
There are too many possible scenarios for me to list regarding a rebuilt American. Also, please read the comments next to red font above.
And finally, if you'd be so kind... provide a couple mock scenarios based on your assumptions/opinion showing the type of conference Wichita State would be in after 2025.
Without a football program, WS would likely have to go back to where it came from.
Bear with me here, I'm trying to use your knowledge of the AAC/B12/2025 dynamic (of which I know very little) to support my logic (of which I have a lot) to end, once and for all, the silly rebuttal some Shocker fans have for not at least attempting to restart a sport, that is the #1 defining characteristic of a major athletic university at a time when major universities are regrouping for branding purposes.
The above is only my opinion.... I'm sure there are many members here that have different opinions. Some believe that the American will add the B12 leftovers. Below is a link to a good realignment scenario thread that incudes this conference. The thread is located on the SEC board. I gave a partial response to the op’s suggestion—which I disagreed with and explained why in post #8:
http://csnbbs.com/thread-820708.html
In closing, I hope that my response was satisfactory to you. I really want Shocker fans to feel at home here, but also know that this home could collapse in the future….
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My comments are in bold ^
this will happen (in my opinion) I also see (B16/AAC) Maybe continuing to keep associate members due to the fact it will still be the #5 in the power 5 structure..so any program that is power 5 status possibly can be in this conference(Navy football, Witchita olympics, BYU etc.)
RE: Football at WSU - rabidTU2 - 06-28-2017 01:36 PM
http://www.wichita.edu/thisis/buildingtour/?tour_sysid=14
RE: Football at WSU - Stookey57 - 06-28-2017 04:54 PM
(06-28-2017 10:44 AM)Pony94 Wrote:they play at FCS football in the Northeast Football Conference. They used to be pretty good but they suck past 5 years. I think they're playing Syracuse this year(06-28-2017 10:38 AM)Stookey57 Wrote: While Wichita watches us all play football mark my they're going to want to play too it's only Human Nature
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How does one watch Central Connecticut play?
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RE: Football at WSU - rabidTU2 - 06-28-2017 07:42 PM
(06-28-2017 11:47 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Stadium
Wiki is showing current capacity at 24k. It's always been 31.5k. Nothing structurally has changed...
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My guess is that Cessna must have lost some seats when the track was widened years ago. But thats just a guess. I know the cap used to be 31,500.
It wouldn't matter if the seating were to be replaced as before if feasable. But my suggestion would be to use non-permanent seating at first and then go to the drawing board later on. Stay cost effective in the beginning. It wouldn't be smart to build a lot of unnecessary seats unless the need were there.
RE: Football at WSU - geosnooker2000 - 06-28-2017 11:00 PM
(06-28-2017 11:47 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Stadium
Wiki is showing current capacity at 24k. It's always been 31.5k. Nothing structurally has changed...
Uhhhh..... Yes it has. The average ass width on a human.
This is a joke. Please don't take it seriously.
RE: Football at WSU - shock - 06-29-2017 01:49 AM
(06-28-2017 11:47 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Stadium
Wiki is showing current capacity at 24k. It's always been 31.5k. Nothing structurally has changed...
Its taking into account Marshall and his balls being in attendance.
RE: Football at WSU - UofMemphis - 06-29-2017 02:34 AM
(06-29-2017 01:49 AM)shock Wrote:(06-28-2017 11:47 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Stadium
Wiki is showing current capacity at 24k. It's always been 31.5k. Nothing structurally has changed...
Its taking into account Marshall and his balls being in attendance.
that came across super creepy.....
RE: Football at WSU - No Bull - 06-29-2017 09:24 AM
with ECU headed back to CUSA and their peers... we are going to need Shockers football to return....ASAP.
Football at WSU - Puckhead48E - 06-29-2017 11:21 AM
So, what women's programs are you going to add to offset the football addition?
This is an asinine topic.
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RE: Football at WSU - shock - 06-29-2017 11:30 AM
(06-29-2017 02:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:(06-29-2017 01:49 AM)shock Wrote:(06-28-2017 11:47 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Stadium
Wiki is showing current capacity at 24k. It's always been 31.5k. Nothing structurally has changed...
Its taking into account Marshall and his balls being in attendance.
that came across super creepy.....
Lol. Uh... I'm pretty sure everyone else knew that that wasn't literal. Must be that Memphis degree at work