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RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - elw4796 - 03-10-2018 05:19 PM
Some new 2019 offers:
4* New Jersey DE Howard Cross III
3* Texas QB Jacob Clark
3* Pennsylvania WR Nazir Burnett
3* Texas OT Cole Birmingham
2* New Mexico OT Taylor Miterko
3* California DT Na'im Rodman
Staff still going big. No harm in trying
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - Owl 69/70/75 - 03-10-2018 05:31 PM
(03-10-2018 05:19 PM)elw4796 Wrote: Some new 2019 offers:
4* New Jersey DE Howard Cross III
3* Texas QB Jacob Clark
3* Pennsylvania WR Nazir Burnett
3* Texas OT Cole Birmingham
2* New Mexico OT Taylor Miterko
3* California DT Na'im Rodman
Staff still going big. No harm in trying
Don't know specifically if this applies to anyone on this list, but these coaches have come from all over. There are going to be some recruits with who they have preexisting relationships--camps, families, social connections, whatever. Use those to best advantage.
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - ExcitedOwl18 - 03-10-2018 05:38 PM
OT but Calvin Anderson committed to UT just now and Ibe and Gordon are committing later today.
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - mrbig - 03-10-2018 10:18 PM
Time to start a 2019 recruiting thread?
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - OwlSquared - 03-11-2018 12:02 AM
(03-10-2018 05:38 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: OT but Calvin Anderson committed to UT just now and Ibe and Gordon are committing later today.
Ibe=Gamecock
Gordon=Red Raider
Any news on Banks other than the Vandy visit?
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - ExcitedOwl18 - 03-11-2018 12:16 AM
(03-11-2018 12:02 AM)OwlSquared Wrote:(03-10-2018 05:38 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: OT but Calvin Anderson committed to UT just now and Ibe and Gordon are committing later today.
Ibe=Gamecock
Gordon=Red Raider
Any news on Banks other than the Vandy visit?
He visited Colorado State a couple weeks ago too.
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - WRCisforgotten79 - 03-11-2018 12:50 AM
The one small edge Rice has had was to redshirt linemen, put them on a strength program, and have them as grown 23 year olds against younger opponents. I may be in the minority, but I think that there is a tacit, ethical agreement that, in exchange for making the player better as a senior, the player would stick around for that fifth year. I don't regard what these individuals are doing as at all honorable or ethical. Rice put time and effort into helping these individuals become as good as they are, and now, other schools benefit from their abilities, and Rice gets nothing. Sure, the individuals are free to do what they want - I still think that they are acting selfishly and unethically.
In any event, no player, ever again, should be redshirted. Ever.
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - ExcitedOwl18 - 03-11-2018 01:04 AM
(03-11-2018 12:50 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote: The one small edge Rice has had was to redshirt linemen, put them on a strength program, and have them as grown 23 year olds against younger opponents. I may be in the minority, but I think that there is a tacit, ethical agreement that, in exchange for making the player better as a senior, the player would stick around for that fifth year. I don't regard what these individuals are doing as at all honorable or ethical. Rice put time and effort into helping these individuals become as good as they are, and now, other schools benefit from their abilities, and Rice gets nothing. Sure, the individuals are free to do what they want - I still think that they are acting selfishly and unethically.
In any event, no player, ever again, should be redshirted. Ever.
I kind of see what you're saying about staying for the 5th year... Something honorable about finishing what you started. Not sure it's unethical though, especially with the coaching turmoil. I'd say what Rhoades/Evans did was unethical though.
With regard to redshirting, I totally disagree on this point. If we had good teams the last few years, none of these guys would be transferring. No matter what they say about the NFL, if we were playing at the level of say, FAU, they'd feel like they have plenty of exposure (along with the fun of winning). Calvin Anderson was 240 Lbs as a true freshman in a year that we went 8-5 (off of 10-4 the previous year). He wasn't going start over 6'8", 330lbs Ian Gray, or even back him up. No point in not redshirting them if they're going to be a detriment on the field just so they can't transfer when they're redshirt seniors (which shouldn't be a problem if you're winning at an acceptable level).
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - Antarius - 03-11-2018 01:06 AM
(03-11-2018 01:04 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:(03-11-2018 12:50 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote: The one small edge Rice has had was to redshirt linemen, put them on a strength program, and have them as grown 23 year olds against younger opponents. I may be in the minority, but I think that there is a tacit, ethical agreement that, in exchange for making the player better as a senior, the player would stick around for that fifth year. I don't regard what these individuals are doing as at all honorable or ethical. Rice put time and effort into helping these individuals become as good as they are, and now, other schools benefit from their abilities, and Rice gets nothing. Sure, the individuals are free to do what they want - I still think that they are acting selfishly and unethically.
In any event, no player, ever again, should be redshirted. Ever.
I kind of see what you're saying about staying for the 5th year... Something honorable about finishing what you started. Not sure it's unethical though, especially with the coaching turmoil. I'd say what Rhoades/Evans did was unethical though.
With regard to redshirting, I totally disagree on this point. If we had good teams the last few years, none of these guys would be transferring. No matter what they say about the NFL, if we were playing at the level of say, FAU, they'd feel like they have plenty of exposure (along with the fun of winning). Calvin Anderson was 240 Lbs as a true freshman in a year that we went 8-5 (off of 10-4 the previous year). He wasn't going start over 6'8", 330lbs Ian Gray, or even back him up. No point in not redshirting them if they're going to be a detriment on the field just so they can't transfer when they're redshirt seniors (which shouldn't be a problem if you're winning at an acceptable level).
Agree. If they give us their all then we owe it to them to do the same. And that includes not hiring yahoos who can't put them in a position to succeed.
If we stop handing out knives to take to a gunfight maybe people will want to stick around longer
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - WRCisforgotten79 - 03-11-2018 02:37 AM
Oh I see your point - if someone is incompetent, that relieves you of all ethical responsibilities. I suppose that I am "old school" in believing that one's ethics should be solid, not situational.
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - Owl 69/70/75 - 03-11-2018 06:34 AM
(03-11-2018 12:50 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote: The one small edge Rice has had was to redshirt linemen, put them on a strength program, and have them as grown 23 year olds against younger opponents. I may be in the minority, but I think that there is a tacit, ethical agreement that, in exchange for making the player better as a senior, the player would stick around for that fifth year. I don't regard what these individuals are doing as at all honorable or ethical. Rice put time and effort into helping these individuals become as good as they are, and now, other schools benefit from their abilities, and Rice gets nothing. Sure, the individuals are free to do what they want - I still think that they are acting selfishly and unethically.
In any event, no player, ever again, should be redshirted. Ever.
I don't really see the ethical issue, except from a highly partisan point of view. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are graduate transfers, right, because they are able to play next year. That means they are earning a degree this year, right? If they got a job offer, they would be free to take it, right? They've come here, completed four years, which was their commitment, and earned a degree.
One problem we've had in the past is that Rice grad schools were pretty stingy about accepting athletes who had graduated but still ad eligibility remaining. I don't know if that was a factor in any of these cases, and it's none of any of our business. But as long as that does happen occasionally, I can't fault guys for moving on under these circumstances.
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - Fort Bend Owl - 03-11-2018 08:13 AM
If they can contribute as freshmen, play them. If not, redshirt them. Simple as that.
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - ArmChairOwl - 03-11-2018 09:35 AM
(03-11-2018 08:13 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: If they can contribute as freshmen, play them. If not, redshirt them. Simple as that.
In my opinion, another issue that should be considered is: do we want our student athletes to graduate. Playing football, it may take more than 4 years. Heck, even not playing football or athletics.
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - gsloth - 03-11-2018 09:53 AM
There is nothing preventing Rice from offering a 5-year scholarship for players who they plan to redshirt. Or maybe after the first redshirt year, offer a 4-year scholarship continuation to cover those years after the decision is made to redshirt. Yes, nobody does it, but it's certainly within the rules to do it.
Not sure if a player would choose to take it, and what other stipulations you could put in there (to allow a medical career ender to get moved to a different type of scholarship), but if it's really a big deal, there are options, instead of following the year-to-year scholarship award model that's used.
That said, the graduate transfer rule likely would override that possibility to lock someone in. And that transfer rule isn't going anywhere - in fact, based on leaked proposals, any changes likely will reduce a school's ability to restrict or interfere with transfers that meet certain reasonable conditions.
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - OwlSquared - 03-11-2018 12:23 PM
One issue we face with keeping those eligible for graduate transfers here at Rice (or attracting grad transfers from elsewhere) is a comparative dearth of MA programs at Rice, and the further dilemma that those MA programs that best fit the interests of student athletes tend to be 2 year programs, meaning for the student to get a degree requires (absent a 6th yr of eligibility) that the student pay for the 6th year out of their own pocket ($30-35k a year, plus living expenses). I would like to see the establishment of a scholarship for student athletes (all sports) to pay for the 2nd year of graduate school for those who complete the 1st year of their program as a student athlete. It could be either endowed or as a programmatic gift.
This is perhaps something that could be included in the V2C2 campaign by either the Athletics Department or the School of Social Science or the School of Natural Sciences as part of their V2C2 campaign.
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - I45owl - 03-11-2018 06:36 PM
(03-07-2018 12:06 PM)OldOwl Wrote: Did not want to set up a new thread but the toad may be heading to the Patriots. Two of a kind, Belichick and Graham
https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/3/6/17084266/ex-arizona-state-head-coach-todd-graham-new-england-patriots-coaching-staff-bill-belichick
Dear god. What is his title - Assistant Head Coach in charge of violating NFL Rules?
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - I45owl - 03-11-2018 07:02 PM
(03-11-2018 02:37 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote: Oh I see your point - if someone is incompetent, that relieves you of all ethical responsibilities. I suppose that I am "old school" in believing that one's ethics should be solid, not situational.
Why does the decision to redshirt or not obligate him to remain at Rice an extra year? Is the offer to a player that he redshirt or not benefit only the player and not Rice? What is the cost to Rice for redshirting a player that would clearly not play as a freshman?
I would much rather have a player like Calvin Anderson for three years and see him graduate than have him for no years. I do not want to see one-and-done players at Rice and we clearly want kids that want to go to school and want to get a college degree, but you have to recognize that some kids will be miserable, some will be homesick, and some will find their ambitions greater than what they experience at Rice. If someone has graduated while at Rice under an athletic scholarship, I won't begrudge them for moving on at that time, whether it's to play at a higher level of college ball or to take a job as a Petroleum Engineer.
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - YOwl Ming - 03-11-2018 09:53 PM
(03-11-2018 06:36 PM)I45owl Wrote:They already kept McDaniels for that job....(03-07-2018 12:06 PM)OldOwl Wrote: Did not want to set up a new thread but the toad may be heading to the Patriots. Two of a kind, Belichick and Graham
https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/3/6/17084266/ex-arizona-state-head-coach-todd-graham-new-england-patriots-coaching-staff-bill-belichick
Dear god. What is his title - Assistant Head Coach in charge of violating NFL Rules?
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RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - I45owl - 03-13-2018 11:52 AM
(03-11-2018 09:53 PM)YOwl Ming Wrote:(03-11-2018 06:36 PM)I45owl Wrote:They already kept McDaniels for that job....(03-07-2018 12:06 PM)OldOwl Wrote: Did not want to set up a new thread but the toad may be heading to the Patriots. Two of a kind, Belichick and GrahamDear god. What is his title - Assistant Head Coach in charge of violating NFL Rules?
https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/3/6/17084266/ex-arizona-state-head-coach-todd-graham-new-england-patriots-coaching-staff-bill-belichick
TrueDat. Maybe TG is Quality Control for Rules Violations?
RE: 2018 Football Recruiting - OptimisticOwl - 03-13-2018 11:54 AM
(03-13-2018 11:52 AM)I45owl Wrote:(03-11-2018 09:53 PM)YOwl Ming Wrote:(03-11-2018 06:36 PM)I45owl Wrote:They already kept McDaniels for that job....(03-07-2018 12:06 PM)OldOwl Wrote: Did not want to set up a new thread but the toad may be heading to the Patriots. Two of a kind, Belichick and GrahamDear god. What is his title - Assistant Head Coach in charge of violating NFL Rules?
https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/3/6/17084266/ex-arizona-state-head-coach-todd-graham-new-england-patriots-coaching-staff-bill-belichick
TrueDat. Maybe TG is Quality Control for Rules Violations?
He is the guy who will make sure the lid is tightly on the garbage can.