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If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - SMUfan - 03-17-2017 09:01 PM

If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?

A couple of ideas would be Murray State and Belmont. Who else?

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/03/16/wichita-state-conference-realignment-american-athletic?xid=socialflow_twitter_si


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - Rube Dali - 03-17-2017 10:52 PM

Valparaiso and UIC after Missouri State also bolts.


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - Frank the Tank - 03-17-2017 11:11 PM

(03-17-2017 10:52 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Valparaiso and UIC after Missouri State also bolts.

Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - IWokeUpLikeThis - 03-18-2017 12:29 AM

Should? 3 criteria: quality hoops, venue & travelling fan base.
Only 3 fit those criteria: North Dakota St, Murray St, Northern Kentucky.

Any other add will bust.


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - arkstfan - 03-18-2017 01:58 AM

(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 10:52 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Valparaiso and UIC after Missouri State also bolts.

Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

Missouri State is in an awkward spot if Wichita State leaves.

Since they joined the Valley, the league has lost Tulsa and Creighton. The replacements (UNI, Evanston, Loyola) are all on the northern or eastern edge of the league away from Missouri State.

The only leagues in the neighborhood close to the Valley in the power ratings or better that aren't power 5 are the AAC and Sun Belt. CUSA has been pretty lousy outside of MTSU the past couple years so you could toss them in on potential to improve. But all three are FBS leagues (though Sun Belt does have two non-football members and AAC apparently entertaining the thought).

CUSA at 14 seems unlikely to expand. The AAC chatter is the league is looking at schools with better hoops resumes.

Sun Belt offers the best travel situation with AState and Ark-LR short drives away.drives away but given the current state of Missouri State hoops, it is improbable that the Sun Belt would make Missouri State number 13 in hoops without a number 14 in the east, the league struggled to find it's 10th football /12th hoops in the east. Also seems unlikely that the Sun Belt would take the Bears unless there was a plan and timetable for FBS.

The best obviously available to be 12th/14 is New Mexico State but that would create a division mess.

Missouri State's best option appears to be working to help the Valley find a replacement for Wichita State.


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - DavidSt - 03-18-2017 02:19 AM

If Missouri State does bolt, lets say to SBC with a North Florida adding football later to go 12/14 in the future?

Drury could replace Missouri State since they are in the same town.
Lindenwood have been rumor of going to D1. They are in the Saint Louis tv market.
Bellarmine could move all of their sports to D1. They already have Men's LAX in Southern Conference. Louisville market is good.

Drury and Bellarmine does have a much better RPI in hoops than most of D1 schools.

Arkansas Tech also have great hoops for both men and women.

Central Oklahoma University could be an interesting choice to take to replace the Tulsa tv market since they are more like a suburbs of Oklahoma City.

Rockhurst and UMKC could be both interesting choices since they both are in the KC market.

Washburn could be a welcome back member. Washburn was a former MVC member back in the 1935 to up to 1942.

Central Arkansas is an affiliate member.
Dallas Baptist could bring back a Texas tv market.
Little Rock is also an affiliate.
SIU-Edwardsville is also an affiliate.

Former members:
Detroit Mercy
Washington, Mo.
West Texas A&M (which could be paired with New Mexico State in hoops.)
Former affiliates:
Belmont
Drury


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - IWokeUpLikeThis - 03-18-2017 02:37 AM

I rescind my earlier comment. The Valley should add Arkansas Tech to provide Missouri St with a geographical rival, expand the television footprint of the league, and upgrade the conference's hoops profile.


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - MissouriStateBears - 03-18-2017 09:22 AM

(03-18-2017 01:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 10:52 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Valparaiso and UIC after Missouri State also bolts.

Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

Missouri State's best option appears to be working to help the Valley find a replacement for Wichita State.

That leaves Saint Louis, UMKC, Oral Roberts, Little Rock, and Southeast Missouri State. SLU isn't coming. Oral Roberts is a private. Little Rock doesn't have enough sports and stretches the geography south, SEMO has a football problem. So its basically UMKC.


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - Kittonhead - 03-18-2017 10:03 AM

Ohio should throw its hat into the ring for the MVC.

1) More tradition than the MAC in basketball. No MAC team has ever made it to the Final Four in the 70 year history of the league.

2) A better TV deal for basketball in the MVC with CBS OTA coverage.

3) Easier to get P5's and High major schools to play you in your arena.

4) Go Indy in football and get out of the Midweek MAC contract. The difference in Saturday game attendance is 24k vs. 17k. It would be possible to finish up the season well before Thanksgiving Break and have Saturday home games in November.

With so many bowl games a G5 doesn't need to be in a conference to get one anymore.

5) Local TV rights in football. Ohio had a local deal with a Columbus station before the first MAC Midweek contract but had to give it that up.

07-coffee3


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - Kittonhead - 03-18-2017 10:08 AM

I would think for any Midwest basketball school a conference where Loyola, Bradley, Illinois State and SIU are all playing is the place to be because of Illinois recruiting.

The MAC has NIU

The Horizon has UIC

The Summit has WIU

But those are hardly Illinois based conferences.


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - bluesox - 03-18-2017 10:21 AM

Valpo should be choice 1 for replacing the shockers. Not sure Missouri state leaves or who replaces them if they do. Does the Missouri valley want a team in Missouri if mo state leaves? Umkc could work. Could jump to 12 with Omaha and oral Roberts or UALR. Another option instead of umkc would be go east and add Oakland or Detroit to replace mo state for team 10.


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - Kittonhead - 03-18-2017 10:24 AM

(03-18-2017 10:21 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Valpo should be choice 1 for replacing the shockers. Not sure Missouri state leaves or who replaces them if they do. Does the Missouri valley want a team in Missouri if mo state leaves? Umkc could work. Could jump to 12 with Omaha and oral Roberts or UALR. Another option instead of umkc would be go east and add Oakland or Detroit to replace mo state for team 10.

What about maintaining the public/private balance in the MVC?


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - shizzle787 - 03-18-2017 10:46 AM

I would go bold and in addition to adding Valpo, add the four Dakota schools. Having state flagships in the conference would definitely help. S Dakota St is solid at basketball, and the Dakota schools would play all sports (including football) in the MVC.


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - Kittonhead - 03-18-2017 10:49 AM

(03-18-2017 09:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 01:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 10:52 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Valparaiso and UIC after Missouri State also bolts.

Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

Missouri State's best option appears to be working to help the Valley find a replacement for Wichita State.

That leaves Saint Louis, UMKC, Oral Roberts, Little Rock, and Southeast Missouri State. SLU isn't coming. Oral Roberts is a private. Little Rock doesn't have enough sports and stretches the geography south, SEMO has a football problem. So its basically UMKC.

Does UMKC water down the basketball product though?

I know Missouri State might like UMKC as infill for Wichita State but they seem to water down the brand.

Ohio doesn't water down the MVC brand. Basketball budget would be near the top of the MVC. 13,000 seat basketball arena with a planned expansion. Football is FBS and is strong enough now to stand by itself without the MAC. MVC is the conference a lot of our fans want because the school is located in the lower Midwest not the upper Midwest like the other MAC schools.


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - SMUfan - 03-18-2017 11:01 AM

Can someone post a map of the basketball teams and a separate one for the football schools?


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - SubGod22 - 03-18-2017 01:18 PM

(03-18-2017 10:49 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 01:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 10:52 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Valparaiso and UIC after Missouri State also bolts.

Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

Missouri State's best option appears to be working to help the Valley find a replacement for Wichita State.

That leaves Saint Louis, UMKC, Oral Roberts, Little Rock, and Southeast Missouri State. SLU isn't coming. Oral Roberts is a private. Little Rock doesn't have enough sports and stretches the geography south, SEMO has a football problem. So its basically UMKC.

Does UMKC water down the basketball product though?

I know Missouri State might like UMKC as infill for Wichita State but they seem to water down the brand.

Ohio doesn't water down the MVC brand. Basketball budget would be near the top of the MVC. 13,000 seat basketball arena with a planned expansion. Football is FBS and is strong enough now to stand by itself without the MAC. MVC is the conference a lot of our fans want because the school is located in the lower Midwest not the upper Midwest like the other MAC schools.

We added a bottom of the barrel Horizon team with Loyola all because they're in Chicago. Do you really think bad basketball will stop the MVC from adding UMKC because of KC? With the loss of Creighton and potential loss of Wichita, the MVC loses most of their KC presence. UMKC will get a STRONG look from the MVC.

I could see the MVC thinking they need to double down in Chicago and go get UIC or maybe Valpo. I still think they might see SIU-E as putting them into STL officially.

If it were all about getting the best basketball they'd go hard after the XDSU's but nobody wants to travel there and many of the eastern members are already having budget issues and if they can't bus somewhere they're likely to be against it. The MVC is NOT a forward thinking conference.

MSU will absolutely throw out some feelers to CUSA and the Belt and if they can hook on with one, they'd move FBS to escape what the MVC will become. UNI has had past talks with the MAC and I believe participate in the MAC in one or two sports. Last I heard, the MAC would want an eastern member with UNI. Although the CFP may have changed how they view that. But if the dominoes start to go, UNI would do what they could to jump to the MAC and go FBS. Though I also think Illinois State may try to fight them for a spot on the western side if that is indeed the case.

The MAC, with UNI or ISU would be stronger than an MVC without Wichita, MSU and whichever one of the previous two got into the MAC. The Belt probably would be too. I'm not sure about CUSA


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - Shox - 03-18-2017 01:44 PM

(03-18-2017 01:18 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 10:49 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 01:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

Missouri State's best option appears to be working to help the Valley find a replacement for Wichita State.

That leaves Saint Louis, UMKC, Oral Roberts, Little Rock, and Southeast Missouri State. SLU isn't coming. Oral Roberts is a private. Little Rock doesn't have enough sports and stretches the geography south, SEMO has a football problem. So its basically UMKC.

Does UMKC water down the basketball product though?

I know Missouri State might like UMKC as infill for Wichita State but they seem to water down the brand.

Ohio doesn't water down the MVC brand. Basketball budget would be near the top of the MVC. 13,000 seat basketball arena with a planned expansion. Football is FBS and is strong enough now to stand by itself without the MAC. MVC is the conference a lot of our fans want because the school is located in the lower Midwest not the upper Midwest like the other MAC schools.

We added a bottom of the barrel Horizon team with Loyola all because they're in Chicago. Do you really think bad basketball will stop the MVC from adding UMKC because of KC? With the loss of Creighton and potential loss of Wichita, the MVC loses most of their KC presence. UMKC will get a STRONG look from the MVC.

I could see the MVC thinking they need to double down in Chicago and go get UIC or maybe Valpo. I still think they might see SIU-E as putting them into STL officially.

If it were all about getting the best basketball they'd go hard after the XDSU's but nobody wants to travel there and many of the eastern members are already having budget issues and if they can't bus somewhere they're likely to be against it. The MVC is NOT a forward thinking conference.

MSU will absolutely throw out some feelers to CUSA and the Belt and if they can hook on with one, they'd move FBS to escape what the MVC will become. UNI has had past talks with the MAC and I believe participate in the MAC in one or two sports. Last I heard, the MAC would want an eastern member with UNI. Although the CFP may have changed how they view that. But if the dominoes start to go, UNI would do what they could to jump to the MAC and go FBS. Though I also think Illinois State may try to fight them for a spot on the western side if that is indeed the case.

The MAC, with UNI or ISU would be stronger than an MVC without Wichita, MSU and whichever one of the previous two got into the MAC. The Belt probably would be too. I'm not sure about CUSA

ISU, UNI and NDSU to the MAC all sports

USD, SDSU, and Valpo to the MVC

Summit backfills with UMKC

UND stays in Big Sky?


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - SMUfan - 03-18-2017 03:30 PM

Murray State would fit right in the southern part.


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - Kittonhead - 03-18-2017 08:16 PM

(03-18-2017 01:18 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 10:49 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 01:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

Missouri State's best option appears to be working to help the Valley find a replacement for Wichita State.

That leaves Saint Louis, UMKC, Oral Roberts, Little Rock, and Southeast Missouri State. SLU isn't coming. Oral Roberts is a private. Little Rock doesn't have enough sports and stretches the geography south, SEMO has a football problem. So its basically UMKC.

Does UMKC water down the basketball product though?

I know Missouri State might like UMKC as infill for Wichita State but they seem to water down the brand.

Ohio doesn't water down the MVC brand. Basketball budget would be near the top of the MVC. 13,000 seat basketball arena with a planned expansion. Football is FBS and is strong enough now to stand by itself without the MAC. MVC is the conference a lot of our fans want because the school is located in the lower Midwest not the upper Midwest like the other MAC schools.

We added a bottom of the barrel Horizon team with Loyola all because they're in Chicago. Do you really think bad basketball will stop the MVC from adding UMKC because of KC? With the loss of Creighton and potential loss of Wichita, the MVC loses most of their KC presence. UMKC will get a STRONG look from the MVC.

I could see the MVC thinking they need to double down in Chicago and go get UIC or maybe Valpo. I still think they might see SIU-E as putting them into STL officially.

If it were all about getting the best basketball they'd go hard after the XDSU's but nobody wants to travel there and many of the eastern members are already having budget issues and if they can't bus somewhere they're likely to be against it. The MVC is NOT a forward thinking conference.

MSU will absolutely throw out some feelers to CUSA and the Belt and if they can hook on with one, they'd move FBS to escape what the MVC will become. UNI has had past talks with the MAC and I believe participate in the MAC in one or two sports. Last I heard, the MAC would want an eastern member with UNI. Although the CFP may have changed how they view that. But if the dominoes start to go, UNI would do what they could to jump to the MAC and go FBS. Though I also think Illinois State may try to fight them for a spot on the western side if that is indeed the case.

The MAC, with UNI or ISU would be stronger than an MVC without Wichita, MSU and whichever one of the previous two got into the MAC. The Belt probably would be too. I'm not sure about CUSA

True on UMKC, Valpo and UIC as top MVC targets.

Northern Iowa wanting in the MAC is interesting. That eastern member to balance out I would assume is James Madison. However Virginia is starting to get crowded with VT, UVA, ODU and Liberty FBS teams plus VCU, Richmond, George Mason in the Atlantic 10.

I'm not seeing the MAC wanting to go bigger right now. What would make more sense is if someone left the MAC (for example NIU) and go in with 3 MVC schools.

Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Missouri State

To put the MVC effectively out of business. Wichita I'm assuming is gone to the AAC which makes a lot of sense with their geography and commitment to men's basketball.


RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them? - billybobby777 - 03-18-2017 10:32 PM

Arkansas Tech

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