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RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - fsquid - 03-06-2017 09:32 AM
(03-06-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:23 AM)fsquid Wrote: Why do we need an investigation? Trump tweeted as if it was Fact. He must have the backup.
To shut up the Dems.
then just release the info that caused Trump to make the tweet, game over.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - 200yrs2late - 03-06-2017 09:33 AM
(03-06-2017 09:12 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote: Can Trump be impeached for spamming?
It would be funny if twitter put him in twitter jail for a week or something. Honestly, I'd do it just for the lols.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - Paul M - 03-06-2017 09:33 AM
(03-06-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:23 AM)fsquid Wrote: Why do we need an investigation? Trump tweeted as if it was Fact. He must have the backup.
To shut up the Dems.
He didn't. That would take what fsquid said. Put up the proof. Eh, that wouldn't shut them up either. They would just transition from deny to defend.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - Paul M - 03-06-2017 09:35 AM
(03-06-2017 09:09 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(03-06-2017 08:59 AM)Paul M Wrote:(03-06-2017 08:36 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(03-06-2017 08:26 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: Just my two cents on the matter.
This is big. Not just if the allegations by Trump turn out to be true, but also if they happen to be unfounded. American politics have descended to somewhere between the 6th and 8th circle of Hell. I am all in favor of a full investigation into both the Obama administration an the current Trump administration as it relates to surveillance during all of 2016 and so far this year. At this point some sense of order needs to be restored or more and more people not only in the US but around the world will lose faith in the American government.
IMO this has Valery Jarrett's fingerprints all over it. Lynch knew, Comey probably knew, hence the CF fiasco leading up to the election. Another possibility is the Obama administration carryovers are leaking false news knowing Trump will run with it and make a fool of himself. The least likely is that there is a connection between Trump and Russia, but if that were the case it would have been all over the news in the weeks leading up to the election.
Good post.
I said elsewhere that Trump would have to be crazy (and maybe in the end he is) to have made the accusation without solid evidence because the negative blow-back would be so great. False news aka a trap for Trump? Don't think so. Afterall, he is the president of the United States. One would have to assume that he's got the connections he needs to know what actually went down.
Also, I agree that this looks like a VJ caper and that she'll be linked to it in the end.
The biggest story out of this, though, will be that even after wiretapping their opponent, Hillary Clinton still could not manage to get herself elected.
Yes, this is big whether true or false. All evidence, and there is more, tangible, evidence than Mach can scrounge up on Russian ties, appear to say it's true.
But I disagree with the red. Trump has a bad habit of making big accusations and never backing them up. The MSM can't be any more negative towards him and his faithful will follow him through a burning building.
I think you underestimate the genius of Trump hyperbole on Twitter.
The left long said that illegal immigrants voting in presidential elections was a non-issue......it doen't happen......in so many words.
Trump tweets that "millions" of illegals voted in the presidential election.
The left comes back with evidence of only "thousands" of votes by illegals.
Can't say I agree all his inflated bs is genius. I strike it up as he's just another lying *******. And one of the luckiest bastards alive.
The left defends their lies... the right their's. Me? **** 'em all. Cut taxes, RR Obamacare, make us business friendly again, cut unnecessary regulations, gut bloated bureaucracy... and lay off the bs. And Twitter. He'll get props from me for doing his job. And boos for being an ass.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - 200yrs2late - 03-06-2017 09:36 AM
(03-06-2017 09:33 AM)Paul M Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:23 AM)fsquid Wrote: Why do we need an investigation? Trump tweeted as if it was Fact. He must have the backup.
To shut up the Dems.
He didn't. That would take what fsquid said. Put up the proof. Eh, that wouldn't shut them up either. They would just transition from deny to defend.
Disagree. IF Trump went on national tv and displayed the FISA requests and denials, then the granted one with full proof that nothing was found AND concrete proof that someone in the Obama White House had requested this information be gathered and then leaked, I don't think even the furthest left of MSNBC could defend it. Never gonna happen though.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - Hood-rich - 03-06-2017 09:37 AM
(03-06-2017 09:33 AM)Paul M Wrote:that's why I say take this all the way or stfu. time for them to put up or shut up.(03-06-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:23 AM)fsquid Wrote: Why do we need an investigation? Trump tweeted as if it was Fact. He must have the backup.
To shut up the Dems.
He didn't. That would take what fsquid said. Put up the proof. Eh, that wouldn't shut them up either. They would just transition from deny to defend.
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RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - Machiavelli - 03-06-2017 09:38 AM
Gentleman.
He's a serial liar. How much more proof do you need? NONE OF HIS TWEETS ON SATURDAY WERE A FACT. THEY WERE AN ASSUMPTION.
How embarrassing for his supporters.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - TechRocks - 03-06-2017 09:39 AM
(03-06-2017 09:32 AM)fsquid Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:23 AM)fsquid Wrote: Why do we need an investigation? Trump tweeted as if it was Fact. He must have the backup.
To shut up the Dems.
then just release the info that caused Trump to make the tweet, game over.
Why show your full hand so quickly? Better to get everyone involved under oathe before congress before showing your cards.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - fsquid - 03-06-2017 09:40 AM
(03-06-2017 09:33 AM)Paul M Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:23 AM)fsquid Wrote: Why do we need an investigation? Trump tweeted as if it was Fact. He must have the backup.
To shut up the Dems.
He didn't. That would take what fsquid said. Put up the proof. Eh, that wouldn't shut them up either. They would just transition from deny to defend.
maybe but at least those that are rational can see it. Right now I see a renegade tweeter who was away from the only two sane people in the White House because it was the sabbath.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - Hood-rich - 03-06-2017 09:40 AM
(03-06-2017 09:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Gentleman.
He's a serial liar. How much more proof do you need? NONE OF HIS TWEETS ON SATURDAY WERE A FACT. THEY WERE AN ASSUMPTION.
How embarrassing for his supporters.
I'm not embarrassed at all.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - fsquid - 03-06-2017 09:41 AM
(03-06-2017 09:39 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:32 AM)fsquid Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:23 AM)fsquid Wrote: Why do we need an investigation? Trump tweeted as if it was Fact. He must have the backup.
To shut up the Dems.
then just release the info that caused Trump to make the tweet, game over.
Why show your full hand so quickly? Better to get everyone involved under oathe before congress before showing your cards.
really?
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - TechRocks - 03-06-2017 09:41 AM
(03-06-2017 09:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Gentleman.
He's a serial liar. How much more proof do you need? NONE OF HIS TWEETS ON SATURDAY WERE A FACT. THEY WERE AN ASSUMPTION.
How embarrassing for his supporters.
And you KNOW this, how?
I'll hang up an listen.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - TechRocks - 03-06-2017 09:43 AM
(03-06-2017 09:41 AM)fsquid Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:39 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:32 AM)fsquid Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:23 AM)fsquid Wrote: Why do we need an investigation? Trump tweeted as if it was Fact. He must have the backup.
To shut up the Dems.
then just release the info that caused Trump to make the tweet, game over.
Why show your full hand so quickly? Better to get everyone involved under oathe before congress before showing your cards.
really?
Uh yeah, really. Do you not understand the implications of getting sworn testimony on such matters before congress?
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - fsquid - 03-06-2017 09:45 AM
seems like if the POTUS has actual proof, you won't need sworn testimony before Congress. You could go to the courtroom.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - Hood-rich - 03-06-2017 09:46 AM
(03-06-2017 09:41 AM)fsquid Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:39 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:32 AM)fsquid Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:23 AM)fsquid Wrote: Why do we need an investigation? Trump tweeted as if it was Fact. He must have the backup.
To shut up the Dems.
then just release the info that caused Trump to make the tweet, game over.
Why show your full hand so quickly? Better to get everyone involved under oathe before congress before showing your cards.
really?
He brings up a good point. If he releases the info libs will just claim that it's fake. There's really not a win here. The bottom line here is that he WAS tapped and there were multiple FISA requests. Whether or not it was "Trump Tower" or not is splitting hairs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=2
Quote:It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself. It is also unclear whether the inquiry has anything to do with an investigation into the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computers and other attempts to disrupt the elections in November.
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The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - shere khan - 03-06-2017 09:46 AM
(03-06-2017 09:32 AM)fsquid Wrote:How do you know that he hasn't?(03-06-2017 09:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:23 AM)fsquid Wrote: Why do we need an investigation? Trump tweeted as if it was Fact. He must have the backup.
To shut up the Dems.
then just release the info that caused Trump to make the tweet, game over.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - bullet - 03-06-2017 09:47 AM
(03-06-2017 09:12 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote: Can Trump be impeached for spamming?
According to the Democrats, he can be impeached for winning!!!
And they think the majority Republican house will actually do it!
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - TechRocks - 03-06-2017 09:47 AM
(03-06-2017 09:45 AM)fsquid Wrote: seems like if the POTUS has actual proof, you won't need sworn testimony before Congress. You could go to the courtroom.
Congressional hearings are the courtroom. Are you intentionally being obtuse?
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - ODU BLUE - 03-06-2017 09:49 AM
(03-06-2017 09:33 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:12 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote: Can Trump be impeached for spamming?
It would be funny if twitter put him in twitter jail for a week or something. Honestly, I'd do it just for the lols.
FoxNews just reported that the computer in Trump Tower was sending out sales spam, and the list included an email address at the Russian bank Alpha Group.
RE: Holly Crap this is BIG! - Hood-rich - 03-06-2017 09:50 AM
(03-06-2017 09:47 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(03-06-2017 09:45 AM)fsquid Wrote: seems like if the POTUS has actual proof, you won't need sworn testimony before Congress. You could go to the courtroom.
Congressional hearings are the courtroom. Are you intentionally being obtuse?
Yeah, posts like that make me wonder.