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RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - CliftonAve - 12-16-2017 08:15 AM

(12-16-2017 07:42 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 09:54 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:02 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 09:41 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  I see the Cincinnati sports market as extremely oversaturated as it is...

Bearcats
Reds
Bengals
Cyclones
Xavier
FCC
NKU
Tremendous HS football scene
NCAA football juggernaut 100 miles north
NCAA basketball juggernaut 100 miles south
Huge Catholic population means plenty of Notre Dame fans
Heck, even Miami isn't too far away

For our market size, that is WAY too many programs for us to compete with for people's money and mindshare. I have always prayed for FCC's failure, for that reason alone. That goes double for the Bengals, since in addition to playing one of our revenue sports, they are also buttholes.

So we need to get rid of the Bengals and HS football to prop up a failing UC FB program?

Not a plan.

Try winning some games instead--do that before pumping zillions into facilities. UC FB is the classic example of cart before the horse.

It's the same thing with MBB....huge arena, more luxury boxes, etc., but if you don't put a good product on the floor, it's wasted $$$$.

A smart AD would put a ton of $$ into hiring a proven winner as coach, establishing the program, THEN improving the facilities.

Sure because "proven winners" are dying to take jobs at places with inferior outdated facilities. That way they don't have to waste time showing recruits around to see how good it would be to play here. Instead they can just focus on coaching up all the kids no schools with nice facilities would offer.

Winning college coaches that took jobs with "old" facilities:

Coach K
Bobby Knight
Adolph Rupp
Ed Jucker
John Cheney
Rollie Massimino
Bob Huggins (at WVU)
Bear Bryant
Dan Devine
Paul Brown (at OSU)

Just to name a few....show them the $$$$, tell them they get to recruit whoever they want, win...THEN build a palace.

Different era. Moreover, there are several inaccuracies in there (ex, the Armory just opened when Jucker became coach and besides, he was already the freshman b-ball coach and baseball coach here).

Rath is right. Without the move there would be no varsity village— our entire department would be the *****. Take Tuberville out of the equation and we would be a marvel of college athletics with all the success, upgrade in facilities, academic success, etc.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - crex043 - 12-16-2017 08:21 AM

(12-16-2017 07:42 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 09:54 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:02 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 09:41 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  I see the Cincinnati sports market as extremely oversaturated as it is...

Bearcats
Reds
Bengals
Cyclones
Xavier
FCC
NKU
Tremendous HS football scene
NCAA football juggernaut 100 miles north
NCAA basketball juggernaut 100 miles south
Huge Catholic population means plenty of Notre Dame fans
Heck, even Miami isn't too far away

For our market size, that is WAY too many programs for us to compete with for people's money and mindshare. I have always prayed for FCC's failure, for that reason alone. That goes double for the Bengals, since in addition to playing one of our revenue sports, they are also buttholes.

So we need to get rid of the Bengals and HS football to prop up a failing UC FB program?

Not a plan.

Try winning some games instead--do that before pumping zillions into facilities. UC FB is the classic example of cart before the horse.

It's the same thing with MBB....huge arena, more luxury boxes, etc., but if you don't put a good product on the floor, it's wasted $$$$.

A smart AD would put a ton of $$ into hiring a proven winner as coach, establishing the program, THEN improving the facilities.

Sure because "proven winners" are dying to take jobs at places with inferior outdated facilities. That way they don't have to waste time showing recruits around to see how good it would be to play here. Instead they can just focus on coaching up all the kids no schools with nice facilities would offer.

Winning college coaches that took jobs with "old" facilities:

Coach K
Bobby Knight
Adolph Rupp
Ed Jucker
John Cheney
Rollie Massimino
Bob Huggins (at WVU)
Bear Bryant
Dan Devine
Paul Brown (at OSU)

Just to name a few....show them the $$$$, tell them they get to recruit whoever they want, win...THEN build a palace.
You just named a bunch of old school guys that couldn't give a flip about conference affiliation. We're living in a different era where coaches that are successful jump ship until they wash out or negotiate the next extension and pay bump. Not really an apt comparison.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - Ragpicker - 12-16-2017 01:49 PM

(12-15-2017 10:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The downturn now is due only to one historically bad hire that revolved around the malfeasance of an AD refusing to do a coaching search and instead hiring a buddy over the phone who was about to get fired from Lubbock State.

If that were only true....

The AAC is our problem - not CTT. Agreed he accelerated the downturn. CLF will also struggle due to the lack of resources. Mick has a ceiling also. The system today and the immediate future is designed to keep schools like UC down. The facts prove it. We know what seed SMU basketball got last year, and we know what ranking UCF football got this year. The ceiling has been set.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - mlb - 12-16-2017 01:52 PM

(12-16-2017 01:49 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The downturn now is due only to one historically bad hire that revolved around the malfeasance of an AD refusing to do a coaching search and instead hiring a buddy over the phone who was about to get fired from Lubbock State.

If that were only true....

The AAC is our problem - not CTT. Agreed he accelerated the downturn. CLF will also struggle due to the lack of resources. Mick has a ceiling also. The system today and the immediate future is designed to keep schools like UC down. The facts prove it. We know what seed SMU basketball got last year, and we know what ranking UCF football got this year. The ceiling has been set.
In football, sure. But by your statement about Cronin schools like Butler, VCU, and Wichita State would never compete. That is just not accurate.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - JackieTreehorn - 12-16-2017 02:26 PM

(12-16-2017 08:21 AM)crex043 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 07:42 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 09:54 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:02 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 09:41 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  I see the Cincinnati sports market as extremely oversaturated as it is...

Bearcats
Reds
Bengals
Cyclones
Xavier
FCC
NKU
Tremendous HS football scene
NCAA football juggernaut 100 miles north
NCAA basketball juggernaut 100 miles south
Huge Catholic population means plenty of Notre Dame fans
Heck, even Miami isn't too far away

For our market size, that is WAY too many programs for us to compete with for people's money and mindshare. I have always prayed for FCC's failure, for that reason alone. That goes double for the Bengals, since in addition to playing one of our revenue sports, they are also buttholes.

So we need to get rid of the Bengals and HS football to prop up a failing UC FB program?

Not a plan.

Try winning some games instead--do that before pumping zillions into facilities. UC FB is the classic example of cart before the horse.

It's the same thing with MBB....huge arena, more luxury boxes, etc., but if you don't put a good product on the floor, it's wasted $$$$.

A smart AD would put a ton of $$ into hiring a proven winner as coach, establishing the program, THEN improving the facilities.

Sure because "proven winners" are dying to take jobs at places with inferior outdated facilities. That way they don't have to waste time showing recruits around to see how good it would be to play here. Instead they can just focus on coaching up all the kids no schools with nice facilities would offer.

Winning college coaches that took jobs with "old" facilities:

Coach K
Bobby Knight
Adolph Rupp
Ed Jucker
John Cheney
Rollie Massimino
Bob Huggins (at WVU)
Bear Bryant
Dan Devine
Paul Brown (at OSU)

Just to name a few....show them the $$$$, tell them they get to recruit whoever they want, win...THEN build a palace.
You just named a bunch of old school guys that couldn't give a flip about conference affiliation. We're living in a different era where coaches that are successful jump ship until they wash out or negotiate the next extension and pay bump. Not really an apt comparison.

That list must be meant as a joke. Six of them are long dead and only two are actively coaching.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - CliftonAve - 12-19-2017 10:15 AM

FWIW,

Kevin Trager‏Verified account @KevinWSMV · 7m7 minutes ago

BREAKING #MLS commissioner Don Garber will be in #Nashville for an announcement tomorrow afternoon. This is big for our city. @WSMV @MLS @mls2nashville




Not good for FCC. Sacramento is considered a shoo-in.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - rath v2.0 - 12-19-2017 10:38 AM

Its a ponzi scheme designed to send 9 figure bags of cash up stream. FCC will get in, too..


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - TubaCat - 12-19-2017 10:55 AM

If FCC has to wait years for another chance at an MLS invitation, how likely is it that they lose steam and become less attractive for a bid?


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - BearcatsUC - 12-19-2017 11:13 AM

(12-19-2017 10:55 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  If FCC has to wait years for another chance at an MLS invitation, how likely is it that they lose steam and become less attractive for a bid?

Nashville - with no history - came out of nowhere. It can be another city like Nashville in the future.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - bearcatdp - 12-19-2017 11:18 AM

(12-19-2017 11:13 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 10:55 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  If FCC has to wait years for another chance at an MLS invitation, how likely is it that they lose steam and become less attractive for a bid?

Nashville - with no history - came out of nowhere. It can be another city like Nashville in the future.

Correct - if we don't get it this year, there is no guarantee. We might be in the lead, but another Nashville could jump in.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - geef - 12-19-2017 11:26 AM

(12-19-2017 10:55 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  If FCC has to wait years for another chance at an MLS invitation, how likely is it that they lose steam and become less attractive for a bid?

Highly likely. Nashville was not even on the radar in January.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - BearcatsUC - 12-19-2017 11:38 AM

(12-19-2017 11:26 AM)geef Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 10:55 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  If FCC has to wait years for another chance at an MLS invitation, how likely is it that they lose steam and become less attractive for a bid?

Highly likely. Nashville was not even on the radar in January.

Just my opinion, but if FCC spent their own cash to get this done instead of nickel and diming government entities, it might have been Cincinnati instead of Nashville.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - bearcatmark - 12-19-2017 11:53 AM

(12-19-2017 11:38 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:26 AM)geef Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 10:55 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  If FCC has to wait years for another chance at an MLS invitation, how likely is it that they lose steam and become less attractive for a bid?

Highly likely. Nashville was not even on the radar in January.

Just my opinion, but if FCC spent their own cash to get this done instead of nickel and diming government entities, it might have been Cincinnati instead of Nashville.

Nashville got an amazing deal from the city and basically got the stadiun subsidised. I think mls likes to reward that. Not sure FCC owners forking even more of their own money is what the mls is looking for.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - geef - 12-19-2017 11:58 AM

(12-19-2017 11:53 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:38 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:26 AM)geef Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 10:55 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  If FCC has to wait years for another chance at an MLS invitation, how likely is it that they lose steam and become less attractive for a bid?

Highly likely. Nashville was not even on the radar in January.

Just my opinion, but if FCC spent their own cash to get this done instead of nickel and diming government entities, it might have been Cincinnati instead of Nashville.

Nashville got an amazing deal from the city and basically got the stadiun subsidised. I think mls likes to reward that. Not sure FCC owners forking even more of their own money is what the mls is looking for.

Based upon what? I think that Berding and FC just got too cute in the end and screwed the pooch. If they had ponied up, or chosen Newport, there's a press conference in Cincinnati tomorrow.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - dubcat14 - 12-19-2017 11:59 AM

(12-19-2017 11:58 AM)geef Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:53 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:38 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:26 AM)geef Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 10:55 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  If FCC has to wait years for another chance at an MLS invitation, how likely is it that they lose steam and become less attractive for a bid?

Highly likely. Nashville was not even on the radar in January.

Just my opinion, but if FCC spent their own cash to get this done instead of nickel and diming government entities, it might have been Cincinnati instead of Nashville.

Nashville got an amazing deal from the city and basically got the stadiun subsidised. I think mls likes to reward that. Not sure FCC owners forking even more of their own money is what the mls is looking for.

Based upon what? I think that Berding and FC just got too cute in the end and screwed the pooch. If they had ponied up, or chosen Newport, there's a press conference in Cincinnati tomorrow.

.......assuming a press conference never comes? They're still taking 2 teams and Cincinnati is still in the mix. MLS has always loved Nashville.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - geef - 12-19-2017 12:04 PM

(12-19-2017 11:59 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:58 AM)geef Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:53 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:38 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:26 AM)geef Wrote:  Highly likely. Nashville was not even on the radar in January.

Just my opinion, but if FCC spent their own cash to get this done instead of nickel and diming government entities, it might have been Cincinnati instead of Nashville.

Nashville got an amazing deal from the city and basically got the stadiun subsidised. I think mls likes to reward that. Not sure FCC owners forking even more of their own money is what the mls is looking for.

Based upon what? I think that Berding and FC just got too cute in the end and screwed the pooch. If they had ponied up, or chosen Newport, there's a press conference in Cincinnati tomorrow.

.......assuming a press conference never comes? They're still taking 2 teams and Cincinnati is still in the mix. MLS has always loved Nashville.

There's still hope if Miami can't get things together for 2019 AND if the Columbus move to Austin is certain (if Columbus moves, MLS needs another team in the east).


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - CliftonAve - 12-19-2017 12:57 PM

(12-19-2017 12:04 PM)geef Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:59 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:58 AM)geef Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:53 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 11:38 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  Just my opinion, but if FCC spent their own cash to get this done instead of nickel and diming government entities, it might have been Cincinnati instead of Nashville.

Nashville got an amazing deal from the city and basically got the stadiun subsidised. I think mls likes to reward that. Not sure FCC owners forking even more of their own money is what the mls is looking for.

Based upon what? I think that Berding and FC just got too cute in the end and screwed the pooch. If they had ponied up, or chosen Newport, there's a press conference in Cincinnati tomorrow.

.......assuming a press conference never comes? They're still taking 2 teams and Cincinnati is still in the mix. MLS has always loved Nashville.

There's still hope if Miami can't get things together for 2019 AND if the Columbus move to Austin is certain (if Columbus moves, MLS needs another team in the east).

The Columbus move and no FCC means MLS is passing on the entire state of Ohio... a state that had three of the 10 ten viewing markets for the MLS playoffs per ESPN a week or two again (Cols, Dayton and Cincinnati).

Just baffling.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - BeerCat - 12-19-2017 01:10 PM

Nothing screams soccer mania like the home of country music...


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - CliftonAve - 12-19-2017 01:18 PM

FWIW, Jason Williams from the Enquirer just tweeted he expects Cincinnati be named along Nashville for MLS expansion.

He's been following all of this expansion pretty closely.


RE: Nippert Defilement - Saw it Tonight - rath v2.0 - 12-19-2017 01:22 PM

Cincinnati’s 9 figure check will clear. They are getting in.