(11-15-2017 10:57 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  It's amazing how Berding and Lindner are getting self-avowed anti-government spending uberconservatives like Bill Cunningham and Chris Smitherman to buy into the FCC framing hook, line, and sinker.

Listening to them you'd think the county does $75 million dollar giveaways to every fast food franchise that opens on a vacant lot.

(11-15-2017 10:57 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  It's amazing how Berding and Lindner are getting self-avowed anti-government spending uberconservatives like Bill Cunningham and Chris Smitherman to buy into the FCC framing hook, line, and sinker.

Listening to them you'd think the county does $75 million dollar giveaways to every fast food franchise that opens on a vacant lot.

(11-15-2017 10:13 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Yeah, I can buy that as part of the overall appeal for a few out of towners to consider a weekend or whatever in Cincinnati, but it's not like there are no other cities with a nearby body of water or a wealth of breweries or even a cool fancy farmer's market. Those are things you do when you are visiting Cincinnati, but they aren't big enough to be the main reason to visit Cincinnati. It's just hard to see any of them really moving the needle that much to be a difference maker. I'm not saying that MLS will have them flooding in, but it is the kind of thing that people will specifically come for on road trips etc. while also enhancing our overall appeal to the more casual visitors.

And let's not forget that big corporations do take notice of professional sports and culture when they are looking at where to put their headquarters and offices so as to appeal to the premiere employees from around the globe in many cases. I know we've heard forever that soccer is the future, but it does seem to finally be getting a bit of traction. It doesn't hurt their case that baseball seems to be struggling with the younger generation and football is struggling with concussions and politics and more importantly attendance and viewers. If Newport works, I personally don't have a problem with it. But I do think we will be kicking ourselves as a region over the next few decades and perhaps much longer if we let MLS slip through our fingers. The iron is hot right now...

I was thinking a compromise might be in order where the city uses parking revenue to build the parking garage and gets to collect the revenues to at least partially offset it. Then use half the $2.7M tax proceeds per year for 30 years for the other FCC infrastructure - which would still leave half for targeted projects like the Convention Center upgrades and perhaps the projects you mentioned if they were considered to aid tourism. FCC covers the remaining infrastructure costs and thus has the incentive to do it as efficiently as possible. But that might make too much sense to actually work...

(11-16-2017 08:19 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:13 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Yeah, I can buy that as part of the overall appeal for a few out of towners to consider a weekend or whatever in Cincinnati, but it's not like there are no other cities with a nearby body of water or a wealth of breweries or even a cool fancy farmer's market. Those are things you do when you are visiting Cincinnati, but they aren't big enough to be the main reason to visit Cincinnati. It's just hard to see any of them really moving the needle that much to be a difference maker. I'm not saying that MLS will have them flooding in, but it is the kind of thing that people will specifically come for on road trips etc. while also enhancing our overall appeal to the more casual visitors.

And let's not forget that big corporations do take notice of professional sports and culture when they are looking at where to put their headquarters and offices so as to appeal to the premiere employees from around the globe in many cases. I know we've heard forever that soccer is the future, but it does seem to finally be getting a bit of traction. It doesn't hurt their case that baseball seems to be struggling with the younger generation and football is struggling with concussions and politics and more importantly attendance and viewers. If Newport works, I personally don't have a problem with it. But I do think we will be kicking ourselves as a region over the next few decades and perhaps much longer if we let MLS slip through our fingers. The iron is hot right now...

I was thinking a compromise might be in order where the city uses parking revenue to build the parking garage and gets to collect the revenues to at least partially offset it. Then use half the $2.7M tax proceeds per year for 30 years for the other FCC infrastructure - which would still leave half for targeted projects like the Convention Center upgrades and perhaps the projects you mentioned if they were considered to aid tourism. FCC covers the remaining infrastructure costs and thus has the incentive to do it as efficiently as possible. But that might make too much sense to actually work...

also don’t forget that it appears Columbus is losing their mls franchise. If that does happen and mls awards cincinnati and Sacramento it looks like FCC could dominate a pretty large region as far as soccer fandom goes. I suppose people in Louisville could stay loyal to usl team but I think there’s a possibility that FCC captures a whole lot of people from outside of Cincy/NKy.

And I agree completely that the trajectory of MLB and NFL look awful. And I think politics,while temporary, is a very small part of their problem. I completely understand why voters and city council would be against another stadium deal but I also think they bet on the wrong sport awhile ago and in the not too distant future they could have a useless stadium to add to the already useless arena along the river.

As a NKY resident I would gladly pay a bit to have the stadium in Newport. If they ask Kenton county residents to pay and I had a chance to vote I’d vote for it without a second thought. I’m firmly against corporate welfare but with all of the other ridiculous crap that my taxes pay for I’d gladly write a check to The Lindners.

(11-16-2017 01:36 PM)crex043 Wrote:  I wouldn't count on Columbus Crew fans to turn their support to FC Cincinnati. A lot of people in Columbus don't even know Cincinnati merely exists, much less will they throw their support behind a Cincinnati-based entity.

(11-16-2017 01:36 PM)crex043 Wrote:  I wouldn't count on Columbus Crew fans to turn their support to FC Cincinnati. A lot of people in Columbus don't even know Cincinnati merely exists, much less will they throw their support behind a Cincinnati-based entity.

(11-16-2017 01:36 PM)crex043 Wrote:  I wouldn't count on Columbus Crew fans to turn their support to FC Cincinnati. A lot of people in Columbus don't even know Cincinnati merely exists, much less will they throw their support behind a Cincinnati-based entity.

(11-16-2017 06:25 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 01:36 PM)crex043 Wrote:  I wouldn't count on Columbus Crew fans to turn their support to FC Cincinnati. A lot of people in Columbus don't even know Cincinnati merely exists, much less will they throw their support behind a Cincinnati-based entity.

We don't want those illegals coming to Cincinnati anyway.

(11-16-2017 04:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Columbus, in my experience, is extremely parochial. Cincinnati might as well be in a different country.

(11-16-2017 10:00 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Berding on today's Cunningham show

"If the county forks over the $75M and builds a garage for you, are you willing to let them take the revenue from the garage?"

"Absolutely not. It's non-negotiable for us to give up parking revenue."

Who the f is he kidding

(11-16-2017 10:14 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 10:00 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Berding on today's Cunningham show

"If the county forks over the $75M and builds a garage for you, are you willing to let them take the revenue from the garage?"

"Absolutely not. It's non-negotiable for us to give up parking revenue."

Who the f is he kidding

How is this not taking taxpayer money?

(11-16-2017 10:00 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Berding on today's Cunningham show

"If the county forks over the $75M and builds a garage for you, are you willing to let them take the revenue from the garage?"

"Absolutely not. It's non-negotiable for us to give up parking revenue on gameday."

Who the f is he kidding