(11-14-2017 09:36 PM)50Cent Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 09:07 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:39 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Hey, if it's ONLY $2.8 million/yr, why should that hold them back? Just jack up the prices at UDF to cover it. Sick of billionaires running with their hands open to beg money off the public, but pushing for personal tax breaks for themselves behind the scenes.

The way Lindner implied that the city/county owed him for all that his family has done for Cincinnati is obscene. He's an argument for upping the estate tax.

Let’s just be Dayton. Or Lexington.

Cities like Nashville are growing while Cincinnati has shrunk, and the flight out of Hamilton County continues.

Rath, I’m quite sure you didn’t protest the money and tax relief given to gE and other projects in this city. This isn’t the Bengals or the Reds deal. Not even remotely close.

Bengals will be ...should be left to leave in 10 years. Then why will be here? I’ll take this franchise all day over the hapless bengals or reds.

Hopefully they can win the bid with Newport. It’s really a shame that this city and county will miss out on a chance to really add to development of another area of the city other than otr.

The county commissioners will really look minor league-ish and laughable when they propose PBS. Clearly they haven’t followed any of the MLS news of late. Where is aDetroit and Ford Field at in this final 3? PBS plan gives the bids to Nashville and Sacramento. Growing cities with a sport that’s on the rise. nFL and football hit their peak and bengals can’t even fill pbs.

(11-14-2017 11:16 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 09:36 PM)50Cent Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 09:07 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:39 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Hey, if it's ONLY $2.8 million/yr, why should that hold them back? Just jack up the prices at UDF to cover it. Sick of billionaires running with their hands open to beg money off the public, but pushing for personal tax breaks for themselves behind the scenes.

The way Lindner implied that the city/county owed him for all that his family has done for Cincinnati is obscene. He's an argument for upping the estate tax.

Let’s just be Dayton. Or Lexington.

Cities like Nashville are growing while Cincinnati has shrunk, and the flight out of Hamilton County continues.

Rath, I’m quite sure you didn’t protest the money and tax relief given to gE and other projects in this city. This isn’t the Bengals or the Reds deal. Not even remotely close.

Bengals will be ...should be left to leave in 10 years. Then why will be here? I’ll take this franchise all day over the hapless bengals or reds.

Hopefully they can win the bid with Newport. It’s really a shame that this city and county will miss out on a chance to really add to development of another area of the city other than otr.

The county commissioners will really look minor league-ish and laughable when they propose PBS. Clearly they haven’t followed any of the MLS news of late. Where is aDetroit and Ford Field at in this final 3? PBS plan gives the bids to Nashville and Sacramento. Growing cities with a sport that’s on the rise. nFL and football hit their peak and bengals can’t even fill pbs.

I don’t know why people think a soccer stadium will spur development? It certainly didn’t work for the area around Mapfre. Quite frankly, Oakley is doing fine on its own. A stadium would be nice, but I think FCC likes the area for what it is, not for what it can be.

You can’t possibly be comparing GE incentives to soccer benefits. 2,000 High-paying jobs. Plus GE is already a HUGE presence in this city, and is an important partner with UC on a number of different fronts.

(11-15-2017 07:44 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  FCC fans often seem to operate under the premise that they are the vocal majority on this. Vocal, but nowhere close to majority.

Folks in the county don't support spending a dime of public funding on this and the commission who very much enjoy their jobs know it.

We are all about to have to spend $5 more in fees (tax) a year forever just to renew tags on our cars in Hamilton County to fund the initial $30 million in bond interest just to get the Western Hills Viaduct Project moving and now a second generation of Lindners feels entitled to having this city give them taxpayer money to operate their private venture. Screw them.

Newport, Ky is .1 miles that way >


https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics-extra/2017/11/14/px-thank-you-lindner-family-but-we-dont-owe-you-soccer-stadium/864120001/

(11-15-2017 07:44 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  FCC fans often seem to operate under the premise that they are the vocal majority on this. Vocal, but nowhere close to majority.

Folks in the county don't support spending a dime of public funding on this and the commission who very much enjoy their jobs know it.

We are all about to have to spend $5 more in fees (tax) a year forever just to renew tags on our cars in Hamilton County to fund the initial $30 million in bond interest just to get the Western Hills Viaduct Project moving and now a second generation of Lindners feels entitled to having this city give them taxpayer money to operate their private venture. Screw them.

Newport, Ky is .1 miles that way >


https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics-extra/2017/11/14/px-thank-you-lindner-family-but-we-dont-owe-you-soccer-stadium/864120001/

(11-15-2017 08:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  That's part of the problem nobody is talking about. The way the local ordinance was written it supposed to be used for things like improvement of Duke energy center and the Sharonville convention center along with other visitors bureau items. This would likely end up in court just like the federal court case going on in Clermont County because the commissioners there are trying to use that tax to give the Lindner family money for a new practice facility. Once again screw them they are not owed anything and this money was not designated for that use. It's not a slush fund for their private venture.

We are conditioned to say it's not being used so it's really not hosting the party. Any more money. Will not find his unit for some silly sports venture run by a private family they're gone. So how do we make those up when needed at some point? You got it...raise taxes somewhere else or cut services, etc.

(11-15-2017 08:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  That's part of the problem nobody is talking about. The way the local ordinance was written it supposed to be used for things like improvement of Duke energy center and the Sharonville convention center along with other visitors bureau items. This would likely end up in court just like the federal court case going on in Clermont County because the commissioners there are trying to use that tax to give the Lindner family money for a new practice facility. Once again screw them they are not owed anything and this money was not designated for that use. It's not a slush fund for their private venture.

We are conditioned to say it's not being used so it's really not costing taxpayers any more money. Once committed to some silly sports venture run by a private billionaire family, they're gone. So how do we make those up when needed at some point? You got it...raise taxes somewhere else or cut services, etc.

(11-14-2017 11:16 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 09:36 PM)50Cent Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 09:07 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:39 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Hey, if it's ONLY $2.8 million/yr, why should that hold them back? Just jack up the prices at UDF to cover it. Sick of billionaires running with their hands open to beg money off the public, but pushing for personal tax breaks for themselves behind the scenes.

The way Lindner implied that the city/county owed him for all that his family has done for Cincinnati is obscene. He's an argument for upping the estate tax.

Let’s just be Dayton. Or Lexington.

Cities like Nashville are growing while Cincinnati has shrunk, and the flight out of Hamilton County continues.

Rath, I’m quite sure you didn’t protest the money and tax relief given to gE and other projects in this city. This isn’t the Bengals or the Reds deal. Not even remotely close.

Bengals will be ...should be left to leave in 10 years. Then why will be here? I’ll take this franchise all day over the hapless bengals or reds.

Hopefully they can win the bid with Newport. It’s really a shame that this city and county will miss out on a chance to really add to development of another area of the city other than otr.

The county commissioners will really look minor league-ish and laughable when they propose PBS. Clearly they haven’t followed any of the MLS news of late. Where is aDetroit and Ford Field at in this final 3? PBS plan gives the bids to Nashville and Sacramento. Growing cities with a sport that’s on the rise. nFL and football hit their peak and bengals can’t even fill pbs.

I don’t know why people think a soccer stadium will spur development? It certainly didn’t work for the area around Mapfre.

(11-15-2017 09:00 AM)djtothemoney Wrote:  If we aren't going to give money to redo US Bank Arena (which would be used FAR more than a soccer stadium) then we certainly don't need to be giving money to a soccer team. Newport and Covington have gotten revenue from Bengals and Reds fans for decades, let them pony up money.

(11-15-2017 12:22 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  So, they are gonna foot the bill for the whole stadium, but want help getting roadways, street lights/signs etc., and some extra parking taken care. That sounds entirely reasonable and exactly what everybody all over the country, not just here, have been saying they wanted when it comes to rich folk and their stadia. But alas...

In the end, this Portune guy is gonna blow it anyway with a PBS proposal, and it is going to end up in Newport. By the way, im totally cool with that. I think it would be a cool addition to the downtown area and would certainly add to the aesthetic of our city. Could be cool to have stadiums on both sides of the river. Now, just gotta tear down US Bank and put in a modern arena, or anything that's not a total eyesore really...

(11-15-2017 08:52 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  That's part of the problem nobody is talking about. The way the local ordinance was written it supposed to be used for things like improvement of Duke energy center and the Sharonville convention center along with other visitors bureau items. This would likely end up in court just like the federal court case going on in Clermont County because the commissioners there are trying to use that tax to give the Lindner family money for a new practice facility. Once again screw them they are not owed anything and this money was not designated for that use. It's not a slush fund for their private venture.

We are conditioned to say it's not being used so it's really not costing taxpayers any more money. Once committed to some silly sports venture run by a private billionaire family, they're gone. So how do we make those up when needed at some point? You got it...raise taxes somewhere else or cut services, etc.

If that's true, then I would understand their lack of agreement in the use of the fund. The way it has been presented by both FCC and the Enquirer and other media pieces is that the fund itself is designated for improvements of any entertainment/tourism venture, not specific for DEC or Sharonville.

Quote:This division is responsible for the administration of the county lodging excise tax. The main functions include the collection and distribution of tax receipts and the conducting of audits of hotels and motels to ensure compliance with the tax regulations. The total county lodging tax is 6.5% and is distributed as follows:

3% is used primarily to support the Cincinnati USA Convention and Visitors Bureau , whose mission is to positively impact the Greater Cincinnati area economy through convention, trade show, and visitor expenditures. The remainder of this portion of the tax is returned to the municipal corporations and unincorporated areas in the county that have hotels but do not levy a separate lodging tax.

3.5% (effective December 1, 2002) is earmarked to the renovation and expansion of downtown Cincinnati's Duke Energy Convention Center and the Sharonville Convention Center , and other capital projects that will drive increased tourism.

(11-15-2017 09:15 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:52 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  That's part of the problem nobody is talking about. The way the local ordinance was written it supposed to be used for things like improvement of Duke energy center and the Sharonville convention center along with other visitors bureau items. This would likely end up in court just like the federal court case going on in Clermont County because the commissioners there are trying to use that tax to give the Lindner family money for a new practice facility. Once again screw them they are not owed anything and this money was not designated for that use. It's not a slush fund for their private venture.

We are conditioned to say it's not being used so it's really not costing taxpayers any more money. Once committed to some silly sports venture run by a private billionaire family, they're gone. So how do we make those up when needed at some point? You got it...raise taxes somewhere else or cut services, etc.

If that's true, then I would understand their lack of agreement in the use of the fund. The way it has been presented by both FCC and the Enquirer and other media pieces is that the fund itself is designated for improvements of any entertainment/tourism venture, not specific for DEC or Sharonville.

I'm sure it is no shock to people that Berding the former pol and hired shill who learned from the knee of Bob Bedinghaus who wrote the book on how to raid public coffers for wealthy Cincinnati sports families has a unique angle he is cultivating.

Per the county web page that discusses the use of this tax:

Quote:This division is responsible for the administration of the county lodging excise tax. The main functions include the collection and distribution of tax receipts and the conducting of audits of hotels and motels to ensure compliance with the tax regulations. The total county lodging tax is 6.5% and is distributed as follows:

3% is used primarily to support the Cincinnati USA Convention and Visitors Bureau , whose mission is to positively impact the Greater Cincinnati area economy through convention, trade show, and visitor expenditures. The remainder of this portion of the tax is returned to the municipal corporations and unincorporated areas in the county that have hotels but do not levy a separate lodging tax.

3.5% (effective December 1, 2002) is earmarked to the renovation and expansion of downtown Cincinnati's Duke Energy Convention Center and the Sharonville Convention Center , and other capital projects that will drive increased tourism.

(11-15-2017 09:19 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 09:15 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:52 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  That's part of the problem nobody is talking about. The way the local ordinance was written it supposed to be used for things like improvement of Duke energy center and the Sharonville convention center along with other visitors bureau items. This would likely end up in court just like the federal court case going on in Clermont County because the commissioners there are trying to use that tax to give the Lindner family money for a new practice facility. Once again screw them they are not owed anything and this money was not designated for that use. It's not a slush fund for their private venture.

We are conditioned to say it's not being used so it's really not costing taxpayers any more money. Once committed to some silly sports venture run by a private billionaire family, they're gone. So how do we make those up when needed at some point? You got it...raise taxes somewhere else or cut services, etc.

If that's true, then I would understand their lack of agreement in the use of the fund. The way it has been presented by both FCC and the Enquirer and other media pieces is that the fund itself is designated for improvements of any entertainment/tourism venture, not specific for DEC or Sharonville.

I'm sure it is no shock to people that Berding the former pol and hired shill who learned from the knee of Bob Bedinghaus who wrote the book on how to raid public coffers for wealthy Cincinnati sports families has a unique angle he is cultivating.

Per the county web page that discusses the use of this tax:

Quote:This division is responsible for the administration of the county lodging excise tax. The main functions include the collection and distribution of tax receipts and the conducting of audits of hotels and motels to ensure compliance with the tax regulations. The total county lodging tax is 6.5% and is distributed as follows:

3% is used primarily to support the Cincinnati USA Convention and Visitors Bureau , whose mission is to positively impact the Greater Cincinnati area economy through convention, trade show, and visitor expenditures. The remainder of this portion of the tax is returned to the municipal corporations and unincorporated areas in the county that have hotels but do not levy a separate lodging tax.

3.5% (effective December 1, 2002) is earmarked to the renovation and expansion of downtown Cincinnati's Duke Energy Convention Center and the Sharonville Convention Center , and other capital projects that will drive increased tourism.

That last bit is what they're banking on, and it's pretty clear they're using the language (and punctuation) in the code to try to force it through. They're arguing that a project like this will bring tourism (and it will, because there are such thing as visiting fans). I think they've got a fairly decent argument to use some of that tax....the bigger questions is where is the money that the county has been collecting for 15 years and how has it been used for improvements of those facilities.