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#44 is #12 - Redwingtom - 02-17-2017 04:38 PM
And I expect he'll go higher in the coming years.
C-Span Presidential Historians Survey
RE: #44 is #12 - john01992 - 02-17-2017 04:39 PM
RE: #44 is #12 - rath v2.0 - 02-17-2017 04:40 PM
Good Lord.
RE: #44 is #12 - john01992 - 02-17-2017 04:42 PM
(02-17-2017 04:40 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: Good Lord.
just shows the denial of reality cons exist in.
RE: #44 is #12 - Hood-rich - 02-17-2017 04:42 PM
Plenty of white guilt in academia.
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2017/?page=participants
RE: #44 is #12 - miko33 - 02-17-2017 04:44 PM
LULZ!!! LJB was ranked 2 spots higher at #10??? GTFOH with this survey, because it's deeply flawed if LBJ ever ranks as a top 10 president ever...
RE: #44 is #12 - JMUDunk - 02-17-2017 04:45 PM
(02-17-2017 04:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:(02-17-2017 04:40 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: Good Lord.
just shows the denial of reality cons exist in.
This "reality" created by on-campus perfessers. Yea, that reality...
RE: #44 is #12 - john01992 - 02-17-2017 04:46 PM
This video doesn't take a political stance. it simply talks about how obama was able to find success in implementing changes in areas that have traditionally been hard for POTUS's to break from the norm. that's going to have a big impact on Obama's legacy
RE: #44 is #12 - Hood-rich - 02-17-2017 04:47 PM
at Obama ranked higher than Madison.
RE: #44 is #12 - Redwingtom - 02-17-2017 04:48 PM
(02-17-2017 04:45 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:(02-17-2017 04:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:(02-17-2017 04:40 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: Good Lord.
just shows the denial of reality cons exist in.
This "reality" created by on-campus perfessers. Yea, that reality...
So why did they rank Reagan so high then?
RE: #44 is #12 - TechRocks - 02-17-2017 04:49 PM
I've never seen in my lifetime (and I've been interested in politics since JFK was president) a newly-elected president keep so many campaign promises in his first month in office.
Trump is Number 1 with me!
RE: #44 is #12 - Hambone10 - 02-17-2017 04:49 PM
(02-17-2017 04:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:(02-17-2017 04:45 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:(02-17-2017 04:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:(02-17-2017 04:40 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: Good Lord.
just shows the denial of reality cons exist in.
This "reality" created by on-campus perfessers. Yea, that reality...
So why did they rank Reagan so high then?
Hard to argue with the defeat of the Soviet Union.
RE: #44 is #12 - JMUDunk - 02-17-2017 04:51 PM
(02-17-2017 04:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:(02-17-2017 04:45 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:(02-17-2017 04:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:(02-17-2017 04:40 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: Good Lord.
just shows the denial of reality cons exist in.
This "reality" created by on-campus perfessers. Yea, that reality...
So why did they rank Reagan so high then?
They didn't.
He should clearly be top 5 if not top 3 as the best President of the 20th century.
RE: #44 is #12 - Fo Shizzle - 02-17-2017 04:54 PM
I saw Carter ahead of Coolidge. That totally invalidates this right there.
RE: #44 is #12 - EigenEagle - 02-17-2017 05:02 PM
I look at that list and all it tells me is that you can be rated as a top president all time if you just come into office in some kind of crisis and when it's resolved (often not due to the abilities of the president) then you can be considered an all-time great president.
Having Lincoln at number 1 is a joke even if we take the oversimplified, jingoisitc, comic-book look at the Civil War. He got into a war against a much weaker opponent and it took him 5 years and 600,000+ American lives to do it.
RE: #44 is #12 - LeFlâneur - 02-17-2017 05:03 PM
Well one thing I can be happy about is that Hillary will never be mentioned anywhere on that list.
#schadenfreude
RE: #44 is #12 - HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine - 02-17-2017 05:27 PM
Thomas Woods said it best: historians love Presidents who do things even if those things are unconstitutional or failures.
RE: #44 is #12 - WalkThePlank - 02-17-2017 05:28 PM
What did Obama do to warrant that ranking? He's the first black President?
RE: #44 is #12 - john01992 - 02-17-2017 05:33 PM
(02-17-2017 04:54 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: I saw Carter ahead of Coolidge. That totally invalidates this right there.
I mean he sure as **** has some serious drawbacks considering he basically saw the great depression coming.
(02-17-2017 05:02 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: I look at that list and all it tells me is that you can be rated as a top president all time if you just come into office in some kind of crisis and when it's resolved (often not due to the abilities of the president) then you can be considered an all-time great president.
Having Lincoln at number 1 is a joke even if we take the oversimplified, jingoisitc, comic-book look at the Civil War. He got into a war against a much weaker opponent and it took him 5 years and 600,000+ American lives to do it.
you are doing a massive disservice to Lincoln. he was ranked #1 all three times.
in 1860 our greatest military asset was West Point. we barely had an Army but we had terrific generals. a good general went a long way in those days and as long as we had them all we needed to do was build an army and the generals would put it to good use. The south took the best generals and history shows the consequences. Yes the North had every other economic advantage but not the desperation/threat of invasion that would allow full deployment of said resources, but it was a hard fought war.
not to mention politics. the way he handled slavery given the circumstances is a massive accomplishment. he also presided over the greatest legislative era of american history. land grant college, homstead act, trans-continental railroads, income tax, legal tender-act. he is perhaps the master political statesman of perhaps any POTUS in what he was able to accomplish. not to mention his reconstruction views were probably the best.
then when we get to his legacy. he united this country into one single country, saved the union, and ended political gridlock. he truly is the reason we are a super power. oh and he ended the worst "institution" that ever existed on american soil.
RE: #44 is #12 - bullet - 02-17-2017 05:35 PM
(02-17-2017 04:54 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: I saw Carter ahead of Coolidge. That totally invalidates this right there.
Carter anywhere but bottom 5 shows its unrealistic.
If you don't weight Watergate real highly, Nixon should be much higher.