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2017 CUSA Recruiting - correcamino - 01-01-2017 03:08 PM
Will update as NSD gets closer.
1/1/17
247
1. UTSA- 23 commits, 131.96 points (79.59)
2. MT- 21 commits, 127.02 points (79.48)
3. WKU- 18 commits, 123.21 points (79.39)
4. USM- 18 commits, 117.02 points (79.44)
5. La Tech- 15 commits, 115.58 points (79.85)
6. FIU- 21 commits, 112.91 points (77.69)
7. Charlotte- 19 commits, 101.20 points (77.09)
8. FAU- 10 commits, 100.29 points (81.33)
9. UNT- 14 commits, 92.27 points (78.17)
10. Rice- 13 commits, 90.19 points (78.64)
11. ODU-18 commits, 86.57 points (75.59)
12. UAB- 21 commits, 76.31 points (74.31)
13. Marshall- 7 commits, 60.79 points (79.24)
14. UTEP- 6 commits, 41.58 points (77.16)
Rivals
1. UTSA- 23 commits, 1050 points (2.35)
2. MT- 21 commits, 960 points (2.24)
3. USM- 19 commits, 840 points (2.11)
4. Charlotte- 21 commits, 720 points (1.86)
5. WKU- 17 commits, 690 points (2.00)
6. FAU- 14 commits, 630 points (2.21)
7. FIU- 11 commits, 555 points (2.27)
8. UNT- 14 commits, 525 points (1.79)
9. La Tech- 14 commits, 510 points (1.71)
10. Marshall- 9 commits, 510 points (2.56)
11. Rice- 12 commits, 480 points (2.17)
12. ODU- 13 commits, 300 points (1.69)
13. UTEP- 6 commits, 210 points (2.00)
*Points is for the point system that 247 and Rivals use. It's a combination of total commits and the average rating of those commits.
*The number in parenthesis is the average rating of each school's recruits. 247 rates on a 100 point scale and Rivals on a 5-star scale.
*I was going to include Scout too but a lot of the schools aren't updated. For example, 247 shows La Tech with 15 commits but Scout only has them with 4 commits.
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - techdawg88 - 01-01-2017 03:19 PM
Tech will have a smaller class this year, but will have one more spot w/ Carlos Henderson leaving
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - SApuro - 01-01-2017 03:20 PM
(01-01-2017 03:08 PM)correcamino Wrote: Will update as NSD gets closer.
1/1/17
247
1. UTSA- 23 commits (79.59)
2. MT- 21 commits (79.48)
3. WKU- 18 commits (79.39)
4. USM- 18 commits (79.44)
5. La Tech- 15 commits (79.85)
6. FIU- 21 commits (77.69)
7. Charlotte- 19 commits (77.09)
8. FAU- 10 commits (81.33)
9. UNT- 14 commits (78.17)
10. Rice- 13 commits (78.64)
11. ODU-18 commits (75.59)
12. UAB- 21 commits (74.31)
13. Marshall- 7 commits (79.24)
14. UTEP- 6 commits (77.16)
Rivals
1. UTSA- 23 commits (2.35)
2. MT- 21 commits (2.24)
3. USM- 19 commits (2.11)
4. Charlotte- 21 commits (1.86)
5. WKU- 17 commits (2.00)
6. FAU- 14 commits (2.21)
7. FIU- 11 commits (2.27)
8. UNT- 14 commits (1.79)
9. La Tech- 14 commits (1.71)
10. Marshall- 9 commits (2.56)
11. Rice- 12 commits (2.17)
12. ODU- 13 commits(1.69)
13. UTEP- 6 comits (2.00)
*The number in parenthesis is the average rating of each school's recruits. 247 rates on a 100 point scale and Rivals on a 5-star scale.
*I was going to include Scout too but a lot of the schools aren't updated. For example, 247 shows La Tech with 15 commits but Scout only has them with 4 commits.
Thanks for putting this together.
Wow, great to see NT's amazing year paying off in recruiting. Hard to believe they were 1-11 a year ago.
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - correcamino - 01-01-2017 03:28 PM
(01-01-2017 03:20 PM)SApuro Wrote: Wow, great to see NT's amazing year paying off in recruiting. Hard to believe they were 1-11 a year ago.
![[Image: raw]](https://media.tenor.co/images/bfb10ae2ef6b745b0a933ecf56cc8ff4/raw)
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - winston70 - 01-01-2017 03:52 PM
(01-01-2017 03:19 PM)techdawg88 Wrote: Tech will have a smaller class this year, but will have one more spot w/ Carlos Henderson leaving
Yep - we don't have very many players that are Seniors this year
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - Eagle in the gym - 01-01-2017 04:24 PM
(01-01-2017 03:08 PM)correcamino Wrote: Will update as NSD gets closer.
1/1/17
247
1. UTSA- 23 commits (79.59)
2. MT- 21 commits (79.48)
3. WKU- 18 commits (79.39)
4. USM- 18 commits (79.44)
5. La Tech- 15 commits (79.85)
6. FIU- 21 commits (77.69)
7. Charlotte- 19 commits (77.09)
8. FAU- 10 commits (81.33)
9. UNT- 14 commits (78.17)
10. Rice- 13 commits (78.64)
11. ODU-18 commits (75.59)
12. UAB- 21 commits (74.31)
13. Marshall- 7 commits (79.24)
14. UTEP- 6 commits (77.16)
Rivals
1. UTSA- 23 commits (2.35)
2. MT- 21 commits (2.24)
3. USM- 19 commits (2.11)
4. Charlotte- 21 commits (1.86)
5. WKU- 17 commits (2.00)
6. FAU- 14 commits (2.21)
7. FIU- 11 commits (2.27)
8. UNT- 14 commits (1.79)
9. La Tech- 14 commits (1.71)
10. Marshall- 9 commits (2.56)
11. Rice- 12 commits (2.17)
12. ODU- 13 commits(1.69)
13. UTEP- 6 comits (2.00)
*The number in parenthesis is the average rating of each school's recruits. 247 rates on a 100 point scale and Rivals on a 5-star scale.
*I was going to include Scout too but a lot of the schools aren't updated. For example, 247 shows La Tech with 15 commits but Scout only has them with 4 commits.
Shouldn't a higher rating per player be more important than signing a large class?
2017 CUSA Recruiting - owl at the moon - 01-01-2017 04:40 PM
Looks like a clear top half and bottom half for the West Division. I'll give LATech the benefit of the doubt with the smaller class, sometimes the "overall" score penalizes you even if it's a high quality group.
UTSA with the two-fer in the lead so far. Keep an eye on that as the class finalizes. So far roadrunners seem to be making a good play to contend on a yearly basis.
Can't tell you much about Rice right now, maybe we've got a couple of aces to play late in the game
2017 CUSA Recruiting - owl at the moon - 01-01-2017 04:42 PM
(01-01-2017 04:24 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:(01-01-2017 03:08 PM)correcamino Wrote: Will update as NSD gets closer.
1/1/17
247
1. UTSA- 23 commits (79.59)
2. MT- 21 commits (79.48)
3. WKU- 18 commits (79.39)
4. USM- 18 commits (79.44)
5. La Tech- 15 commits (79.85)
6. FIU- 21 commits (77.69)
7. Charlotte- 19 commits (77.09)
8. FAU- 10 commits (81.33)
9. UNT- 14 commits (78.17)
10. Rice- 13 commits (78.64)
11. ODU-18 commits (75.59)
12. UAB- 21 commits (74.31)
13. Marshall- 7 commits (79.24)
14. UTEP- 6 commits (77.16)
Rivals
1. UTSA- 23 commits (2.35)
2. MT- 21 commits (2.24)
3. USM- 19 commits (2.11)
4. Charlotte- 21 commits (1.86)
5. WKU- 17 commits (2.00)
6. FAU- 14 commits (2.21)
7. FIU- 11 commits (2.27)
8. UNT- 14 commits (1.79)
9. La Tech- 14 commits (1.71)
10. Marshall- 9 commits (2.56)
11. Rice- 12 commits (2.17)
12. ODU- 13 commits(1.69)
13. UTEP- 6 comits (2.00)
*The number in parenthesis is the average rating of each school's recruits. 247 rates on a 100 point scale and Rivals on a 5-star scale.
*I was going to include Scout too but a lot of the schools aren't updated. For example, 247 shows La Tech with 15 commits but Scout only has them with 4 commits.
Shouldn't a higher rating per player be more important than signing a large class?
Agree. I'll take quality over quantity given the choice.
Both is a nice luxury to have, of course
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - correcamino - 01-01-2017 05:04 PM
(01-01-2017 04:24 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote: Shouldn't a higher rating per player be more important than signing a large class?
The rankings in the OP aren't based solely on number of commits. It's a combination of both.
But yeah, I'd definitely rather have 15 highly rated players instead of 25 players that are rated pretty low. I do wonder how Marshall's and FAU's average rating will hold up though. Both of their average rating is high right now but they have so few players committed that they might just have to offer lower rated kids to fill up their classes, which would in turn lower their average.
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - Saint Greg - 01-01-2017 05:08 PM
(01-01-2017 04:40 PM)owl at the moon Wrote: Looks like a clear top half and bottom half for the West Division. I'll give LATech the benefit of the doubt with the smaller class, sometimes the "overall" score penalizes you even if it's a high quality group.
UTSA with the two-fer in the lead so far. Keep an eye on that as the class finalizes. So far roadrunners seem to be making a good play to contend on a yearly basis.
Can't tell you much about Rice right now, maybe we've got a couple of aces to play late in the game
Yeah Tech's rivals average is down because 3 of 14 are jucos they haven't evaluated, so they count as 0's.
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - goliath74 - 01-01-2017 05:40 PM
(01-01-2017 04:24 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:(01-01-2017 03:08 PM)correcamino Wrote: Will update as NSD gets closer.
1/1/17
247
1. UTSA- 23 commits (79.59)
2. MT- 21 commits (79.48)
3. WKU- 18 commits (79.39)
4. USM- 18 commits (79.44)
5. La Tech- 15 commits (79.85)
6. FIU- 21 commits (77.69)
7. Charlotte- 19 commits (77.09)
8. FAU- 10 commits (81.33)
9. UNT- 14 commits (78.17)
10. Rice- 13 commits (78.64)
11. ODU-18 commits (75.59)
12. UAB- 21 commits (74.31)
13. Marshall- 7 commits (79.24)
14. UTEP- 6 commits (77.16)
Rivals
1. UTSA- 23 commits (2.35)
2. MT- 21 commits (2.24)
3. USM- 19 commits (2.11)
4. Charlotte- 21 commits (1.86)
5. WKU- 17 commits (2.00)
6. FAU- 14 commits (2.21)
7. FIU- 11 commits (2.27)
8. UNT- 14 commits (1.79)
9. La Tech- 14 commits (1.71)
10. Marshall- 9 commits (2.56)
11. Rice- 12 commits (2.17)
12. ODU- 13 commits(1.69)
13. UTEP- 6 comits (2.00)
*The number in parenthesis is the average rating of each school's recruits. 247 rates on a 100 point scale and Rivals on a 5-star scale.
*I was going to include Scout too but a lot of the schools aren't updated. For example, 247 shows La Tech with 15 commits but Scout only has them with 4 commits.
Shouldn't a higher rating per player be more important than signing a large class?
I think that is already taken into consideration. I am looking at FAU at 247 getting third lowest number of recruits but we're solidly in the middle of the pack. We do have some quality among the 10 recruits we have right now.
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - goliath74 - 01-01-2017 05:42 PM
(01-01-2017 05:04 PM)correcamino Wrote:(01-01-2017 04:24 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote: Shouldn't a higher rating per player be more important than signing a large class?
The rankings in the OP aren't based solely on number of commits. It's a combination of both.
But yeah, I'd definitely rather have 15 highly rated players instead of 25 players that are rated pretty low. I do wonder how Marshall's and FAU's average rating will hold up though. Both of their average rating is high right now but they have so few players committed that they might just have to offer lower rated kids to fill up their classes, which would in turn lower their average.
It is hard to say what happens. Given that FAU only graduates 2 starters, I do not know if many positions are truly available. besides, Kiffin is still occupied by the NCAA play-offs. Who knows what happens once he can concentrate on FAU duties full time.
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - HogDawg - 01-01-2017 06:04 PM
(01-01-2017 04:24 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:(01-01-2017 03:08 PM)correcamino Wrote: Will update as NSD gets closer.
1/1/17
247
1. UTSA- 23 commits (79.59)
2. MT- 21 commits (79.48)
3. WKU- 18 commits (79.39)
4. USM- 18 commits (79.44)
5. La Tech- 15 commits (79.85)
6. FIU- 21 commits (77.69)
7. Charlotte- 19 commits (77.09)
8. FAU- 10 commits (81.33)
9. UNT- 14 commits (78.17)
10. Rice- 13 commits (78.64)
11. ODU-18 commits (75.59)
12. UAB- 21 commits (74.31)
13. Marshall- 7 commits (79.24)
14. UTEP- 6 commits (77.16)
Rivals
1. UTSA- 23 commits (2.35)
2. MT- 21 commits (2.24)
3. USM- 19 commits (2.11)
4. Charlotte- 21 commits (1.86)
5. WKU- 17 commits (2.00)
6. FAU- 14 commits (2.21)
7. FIU- 11 commits (2.27)
8. UNT- 14 commits (1.79)
9. La Tech- 14 commits (1.71)
10. Marshall- 9 commits (2.56)
11. Rice- 12 commits (2.17)
12. ODU- 13 commits(1.69)
13. UTEP- 6 comits (2.00)
*The number in parenthesis is the average rating of each school's recruits. 247 rates on a 100 point scale and Rivals on a 5-star scale.
*I was going to include Scout too but a lot of the schools aren't updated. For example, 247 shows La Tech with 15 commits but Scout only has them with 4 commits.
Shouldn't a higher rating per player be more important than signing a large class?
Yes. A large signing class typically means a school is running low on scholarship athletes vs the NCAA's mandated 85 total scholarship limit. This can be due to a large number of athletes graduating at once, or scholarship athletes failing academically, or athletes just leaving the program for various other reasons. Regardless, it's typically not a good sign because it means the school is likely still at least a couple of years away from having enough mature scholarship athletes to compete well.
Conversely, a smaller signing class typically means a school has managed their scholarship athletes a little better long term. It usually means they have more "4-year" guys in the program who are succeeding academically, have relied less on Juco's (so they have fewer people exiting each year), and have a good inventory of stocked players via a strong red shirt program, gray shirts, etc...
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - JCMiner - 01-01-2017 06:26 PM
Oh great another thread where we are in last place. What's new?
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - correcamino - 01-01-2017 06:34 PM
(01-01-2017 06:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:(01-01-2017 04:24 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:(01-01-2017 03:08 PM)correcamino Wrote: Will update as NSD gets closer.
1/1/17
247
1. UTSA- 23 commits (79.59)
2. MT- 21 commits (79.48)
3. WKU- 18 commits (79.39)
4. USM- 18 commits (79.44)
5. La Tech- 15 commits (79.85)
6. FIU- 21 commits (77.69)
7. Charlotte- 19 commits (77.09)
8. FAU- 10 commits (81.33)
9. UNT- 14 commits (78.17)
10. Rice- 13 commits (78.64)
11. ODU-18 commits (75.59)
12. UAB- 21 commits (74.31)
13. Marshall- 7 commits (79.24)
14. UTEP- 6 commits (77.16)
Rivals
1. UTSA- 23 commits (2.35)
2. MT- 21 commits (2.24)
3. USM- 19 commits (2.11)
4. Charlotte- 21 commits (1.86)
5. WKU- 17 commits (2.00)
6. FAU- 14 commits (2.21)
7. FIU- 11 commits (2.27)
8. UNT- 14 commits (1.79)
9. La Tech- 14 commits (1.71)
10. Marshall- 9 commits (2.56)
11. Rice- 12 commits (2.17)
12. ODU- 13 commits(1.69)
13. UTEP- 6 comits (2.00)
*The number in parenthesis is the average rating of each school's recruits. 247 rates on a 100 point scale and Rivals on a 5-star scale.
*I was going to include Scout too but a lot of the schools aren't updated. For example, 247 shows La Tech with 15 commits but Scout only has them with 4 commits.
Shouldn't a higher rating per player be more important than signing a large class?
Yes. A large signing class typically means a school is running low on scholarship athletes vs the NCAA's mandated 85 total scholarship limit. This can be due to a large number of athletes graduating at once, or scholarship athletes failing academically, or athletes just leaving the program for various other reasons. Regardless, it's typically not a good sign because it means the school is likely still at least a couple of years away from having enough mature scholarship athletes to compete well.
Conversely, a smaller signing class typically means a school has managed their scholarship athletes a little better long term. It usually means they have more "4-year" guys in the program who are succeeding academically, have relied less on Juco's (so they have fewer people exiting each year), and have a good inventory of stocked players via a strong red shirt program, gray shirts, etc...
No, not really. Due to attrition, graduation, transfers, declaring for the nfl, etc the average program probably loses 20-25 guys on any given year. Replacing them with another 20-25 guys is normal and not necessarily a sign of troubles. It also doesn't mean a team has an imbalanced roster as far as underclassmen/upperclassmen ratio goes. If anything it means you're more balanced. OTOH, if you have a smaller class this year that just means you have considerably more upperclassmen than underclassmen. Eventually you'll be on the other end of the spectrum where your team is too young. That was basically the case for UTSA in 2014 when we had a tiny signing class.
It's simple math really. There's 85 scholarships. You want 20-25 exiting and 20-25 new arrivals every year to keep a healthy balance of experience and youth.
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - HogDawg - 01-01-2017 06:42 PM
(01-01-2017 06:34 PM)correcamino Wrote:(01-01-2017 06:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:(01-01-2017 04:24 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:(01-01-2017 03:08 PM)correcamino Wrote: Will update as NSD gets closer.
1/1/17
247
1. UTSA- 23 commits (79.59)
2. MT- 21 commits (79.48)
3. WKU- 18 commits (79.39)
4. USM- 18 commits (79.44)
5. La Tech- 15 commits (79.85)
6. FIU- 21 commits (77.69)
7. Charlotte- 19 commits (77.09)
8. FAU- 10 commits (81.33)
9. UNT- 14 commits (78.17)
10. Rice- 13 commits (78.64)
11. ODU-18 commits (75.59)
12. UAB- 21 commits (74.31)
13. Marshall- 7 commits (79.24)
14. UTEP- 6 commits (77.16)
Rivals
1. UTSA- 23 commits (2.35)
2. MT- 21 commits (2.24)
3. USM- 19 commits (2.11)
4. Charlotte- 21 commits (1.86)
5. WKU- 17 commits (2.00)
6. FAU- 14 commits (2.21)
7. FIU- 11 commits (2.27)
8. UNT- 14 commits (1.79)
9. La Tech- 14 commits (1.71)
10. Marshall- 9 commits (2.56)
11. Rice- 12 commits (2.17)
12. ODU- 13 commits(1.69)
13. UTEP- 6 comits (2.00)
*The number in parenthesis is the average rating of each school's recruits. 247 rates on a 100 point scale and Rivals on a 5-star scale.
*I was going to include Scout too but a lot of the schools aren't updated. For example, 247 shows La Tech with 15 commits but Scout only has them with 4 commits.
Shouldn't a higher rating per player be more important than signing a large class?
Yes. A large signing class typically means a school is running low on scholarship athletes vs the NCAA's mandated 85 total scholarship limit. This can be due to a large number of athletes graduating at once, or scholarship athletes failing academically, or athletes just leaving the program for various other reasons. Regardless, it's typically not a good sign because it means the school is likely still at least a couple of years away from having enough mature scholarship athletes to compete well.
Conversely, a smaller signing class typically means a school has managed their scholarship athletes a little better long term. It usually means they have more "4-year" guys in the program who are succeeding academically, have relied less on Juco's (so they have fewer people exiting each year), and have a good inventory of stocked players via a strong red shirt program, gray shirts, etc...
No, not really. Due to attrition, graduation, transfers, declaring for the nfl, etc the average program probably loses 20-25 guys on any given year. Replacing them with another 20-25 guys is normal and not necessarily a sign of troubles. It also doesn't mean a team has an imbalanced roster as far as underclassmen/upperclassmen ratio goes. If anything it means you're more balanced. OTOH, if you have a smaller class this year that just means you have considerably more upperclassmen than underclassmen. Eventually you'll be on the other end of the spectrum where your team is too young. That was basically the case for UTSA in 2014 when we had a tiny signing class.
In 2012, LA Tech finished 9-3 and lost 32 players to graduation shortly after the season ended. Yes, you read that right...GRADUATION. It was very unusual to lose that many players in one year, and could only happen because we had a high number of Juco's in addition to our 4-yr players graduating that year. Frankly, it gutted our program for a while. Hence the reason LA Tech limped into CUSA its' 1st year and finished 4-8 (in 2013). Of course, we followed that up with three straight 9-win seasons and 3 straight bowl wins. So I feel like I'm speaking from really good experience here.
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - ODU AGGIE - 01-01-2017 07:11 PM
Of the 18 ODU commits on 247sports, six have yet to be rated. Not sure what is going on there, but I feel confident that the Monarchs are not the 11th best recruiting class in the conference this year.
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - correcamino - 01-01-2017 07:20 PM
(01-01-2017 06:42 PM)HogDawg Wrote: In 2012, LA Tech finished 9-3 and lost 32 players to graduation shortly after the season ended. Yes, you read that right...GRADUATION. It was very unusual to lose that many players in one year, and could only happen because we had a high number of Juco's in addition to our 4-yr players graduating that year. Frankly, it gutted our program for a while. Hence the reason LA Tech limped into CUSA its' 1st year and finished 4-8 (in 2013). Of course, we followed that up with three straight 9-win seasons and 3 straight bowl wins. So I feel like I'm speaking from really good experience here.
The limit for a signing class is 25 though. I mean yeah, if there were schools out there signing 32+ guys that would definitely be a sign of trouble but there isn't. Everybody is taking in a maximum of 25 kids which is completely normal.
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - banker - 01-01-2017 09:47 PM
Shurod Thompson, 4 star, rated the #8 safety by Rivals. Signed with Oregon State last year, didn't make grades.
Tyre Brady, WR, Transfer from Miami.
Juwon Young, LB, Transfer from Miami.
Anthony Anderson, RB, blue shirt that played for us in 2016.
Dayton Jackson, WR, blue shirt who redshirted in 2016.
Jackson White, QB, blue shirt who red shirted in 2016.
Dontrell Johnson, DB, blue shirt that played for us in 2016.
Jaquan Yulee, 4 star LB, prop in 2016.
Sir Patrick Scott, 3 star CB, originally signed with Michigan, prop in 2016.
jaQua Daniel, 3 star RB, prop in 2016.
Tyler King, 3 star RB, prop in 2016.
Larry Aaron, DT, prop in 2016.
Darius Owens, 4 star WR, originally signed with UCLA, prop in 2016.
Jamie Herr, OL, originally signed with WVU, prop in 2016.
Brandon Drayton, S, 3 star, prop in 2016.
Those guys won't show up for us on any recruiting site, but they will be part of our 2017 class
RE: 2017 CUSA Recruiting - ExcitedOwl18 - 01-01-2017 11:21 PM
What's a blue shirt?