(05-30-2020 10:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  so the only question for the leftists, is looting, burning, and rioting in opposition to racism good or bad?

But threat of force is proper for arson and 'domestic terrorism', maybe for 'rioting', but completely off the table for 'looting' according to some here.

Funny thing is that Governor Walz just this morning directly said the course of conduct of last night, and explicitly noted the burning, the shots fired, *and* the looting, as 'domestic terrorism'.

So I am horribly confused --- threat of force for looting BAD. Threat of force for domestic terrorism that speaker is all on board with.

I noted the continued acts of looting are, in the course of a riot situation or civil unrest, equivalent to domestic terrorism. And I asked him to note that issue and give us his esteemed opinion on the difference. He ran away, apparently.

In light of that question, interestingly Governor Walz of Minnesota addressed that directly just a short while ago -- he said that the "current looting" in the course of this is explicitly "domestic terrorism."

I guess if I were that speaker I would start to be a little confused now. But heavens to mercy, how dare I make that assumption; how horrible of me.

Walz revealed that he has now fully mobilized the Minnesota National Guard -- it has never before been fully mobilized. And, he noted that Governors of adjacent states will be supplying further National Guard help.

More pointedly, he has promised to meet this specific "domestic terrorism" with "overwhelming force". Hmmm... he says that the continued 'looting' is part of that 'domestic terrorism" issue.

Maybe perhaps we should now have Walz Man Bad as an an adjunct hue and cry. Perhaps that wont happen.

(05-30-2020 11:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  All leading Democrats on the violence - crickets.

The rioters and arsonists are the exact same people they want to turn out and vote this fall. Can't alienate the voters by criticizing their behavior.

(05-30-2020 11:45 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 11:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  All leading Democrats on the violence - crickets.

The rioters and arsonists are the exact same people they want to turn out and vote this fall. Can't alienate the voters by criticizing their behavior.

Let's apply your statement to Trump and perhaps this is why he was so measured in describing the white supremacists in Charlottesville.

White supremacists are the exact same people they want to turn out and vote this fall. Can't alienate the voters by criticizing their behavior.

(05-30-2020 11:41 AM)ausowl Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 10:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  so the only question for the leftists, is looting, burning, and rioting in opposition to racism good or bad?

But threat of force is proper for arson and 'domestic terrorism', maybe for 'rioting', but completely off the table for 'looting' according to some here.

Funny thing is that Governor Walz just this morning directly said the course of conduct of last night, and explicitly noted the burning, the shots fired, *and* the looting, as 'domestic terrorism'.

So I am horribly confused --- threat of force for looting BAD. Threat of force for domestic terrorism that speaker is all on board with.

I noted the continued acts of looting are, in the course of a riot situation or civil unrest, equivalent to domestic terrorism. And I asked him to note that issue and give us his esteemed opinion on the difference. He ran away, apparently.

In light of that question, interestingly Governor Walz of Minnesota addressed that directly just a short while ago -- he said that the "current looting" in the course of this is explicitly "domestic terrorism."

I guess if I were that speaker I would start to be a little confused now. But heavens to mercy, how dare I make that assumption; how horrible of me.

Walz revealed that he has now fully mobilized the Minnesota National Guard -- it has never before been fully mobilized. And, he noted that Governors of adjacent states will be supplying further National Guard help.

More pointedly, he has promised to meet this specific "domestic terrorism" with "overwhelming force". Hmmm... he says that the continued 'looting' is part of that 'domestic terrorism" issue.

Maybe perhaps we should now have Walz Man Bad as an an adjunct hue and cry. Perhaps that wont happen.

Didn't see that Gov. Waltz, either through ignorance or indifference, is tweeting quotes from segregationists a la Pres. Trump in this moment of national distress. So give Walz a pass on the bad man label.

Interesting that Gov. Waltz, at least as reported in the linked coverage, puts the blame on “tightly controlled” group of outside agitators. I saw a similar report out of Oakland. Relying only on the internet, no cable.

Waltz: under attack from outside agitators

Couple of interesting points:

“Our cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault,” Walz said, suggesting that a growing number of rioters are coming from outside the city, and possibly outside the state, in what he called “an organized attempt to destabilize civil society.”

and

Maj. Gen. Jon Jensen, adjutant general of the Minnesota National Guard, said that despite the largest show of force in state history Friday night, “it was not enough.” He said the governor’s full deployment order would mean “the Minnesota National Guard is all in,”

Hopefully an overwhelming show of force that shuts this down without further loss of life.

(05-30-2020 11:45 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 11:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  All leading Democrats on the violence - crickets.

The rioters and arsonists are the exact same people they want to turn out and vote this fall. Can't alienate the voters by criticizing their behavior.

Let's apply your statement to Trump and perhaps this is why he was so measured in describing the white supremacists in Charlottesville.

White supremacists are the exact same people they want to turn out and vote this fall. Can't alienate the voters by criticizing their behavior.

(05-30-2020 11:52 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 11:41 AM)ausowl Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 10:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  so the only question for the leftists, is looting, burning, and rioting in opposition to racism good or bad?

But threat of force is proper for arson and 'domestic terrorism', maybe for 'rioting', but completely off the table for 'looting' according to some here.

Funny thing is that Governor Walz just this morning directly said the course of conduct of last night, and explicitly noted the burning, the shots fired, *and* the looting, as 'domestic terrorism'.

So I am horribly confused --- threat of force for looting BAD. Threat of force for domestic terrorism that speaker is all on board with.

I noted the continued acts of looting are, in the course of a riot situation or civil unrest, equivalent to domestic terrorism. And I asked him to note that issue and give us his esteemed opinion on the difference. He ran away, apparently.

In light of that question, interestingly Governor Walz of Minnesota addressed that directly just a short while ago -- he said that the "current looting" in the course of this is explicitly "domestic terrorism."

I guess if I were that speaker I would start to be a little confused now. But heavens to mercy, how dare I make that assumption; how horrible of me.

Walz revealed that he has now fully mobilized the Minnesota National Guard -- it has never before been fully mobilized. And, he noted that Governors of adjacent states will be supplying further National Guard help.

More pointedly, he has promised to meet this specific "domestic terrorism" with "overwhelming force". Hmmm... he says that the continued 'looting' is part of that 'domestic terrorism" issue.

Maybe perhaps we should now have Walz Man Bad as an an adjunct hue and cry. Perhaps that wont happen.

Didn't see that Gov. Waltz, either through ignorance or indifference, is tweeting quotes from segregationists a la Pres. Trump in this moment of national distress. So give Walz a pass on the bad man label.

Interesting that Gov. Waltz, at least as reported in the linked coverage, puts the blame on “tightly controlled” group of outside agitators. I saw a similar report out of Oakland. Relying only on the internet, no cable.

Waltz: under attack from outside agitators

Couple of interesting points:

“Our cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault,” Walz said, suggesting that a growing number of rioters are coming from outside the city, and possibly outside the state, in what he called “an organized attempt to destabilize civil society.”

and

Maj. Gen. Jon Jensen, adjutant general of the Minnesota National Guard, said that despite the largest show of force in state history Friday night, “it was not enough.” He said the governor’s full deployment order would mean “the Minnesota National Guard is all in,”

Hopefully an overwhelming show of force that shuts this down without further loss of life.

So who are these tightly controlled groups of outside agitators? What do they want. Who do they represent?

I agree that outside agitators are largely responsible. Inside agitators are partially responsible. the sheeple being led are largely responsible.

What are their agendas?

(05-30-2020 12:48 PM)ausowl Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 11:52 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 11:41 AM)ausowl Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 10:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  so the only question for the leftists, is looting, burning, and rioting in opposition to racism good or bad?

But threat of force is proper for arson and 'domestic terrorism', maybe for 'rioting', but completely off the table for 'looting' according to some here.

Funny thing is that Governor Walz just this morning directly said the course of conduct of last night, and explicitly noted the burning, the shots fired, *and* the looting, as 'domestic terrorism'.

So I am horribly confused --- threat of force for looting BAD. Threat of force for domestic terrorism that speaker is all on board with.

I noted the continued acts of looting are, in the course of a riot situation or civil unrest, equivalent to domestic terrorism. And I asked him to note that issue and give us his esteemed opinion on the difference. He ran away, apparently.

In light of that question, interestingly Governor Walz of Minnesota addressed that directly just a short while ago -- he said that the "current looting" in the course of this is explicitly "domestic terrorism."

I guess if I were that speaker I would start to be a little confused now. But heavens to mercy, how dare I make that assumption; how horrible of me.

Walz revealed that he has now fully mobilized the Minnesota National Guard -- it has never before been fully mobilized. And, he noted that Governors of adjacent states will be supplying further National Guard help.

More pointedly, he has promised to meet this specific "domestic terrorism" with "overwhelming force". Hmmm... he says that the continued 'looting' is part of that 'domestic terrorism" issue.

Maybe perhaps we should now have Walz Man Bad as an an adjunct hue and cry. Perhaps that wont happen.

Didn't see that Gov. Waltz, either through ignorance or indifference, is tweeting quotes from segregationists a la Pres. Trump in this moment of national distress. So give Walz a pass on the bad man label.

Interesting that Gov. Waltz, at least as reported in the linked coverage, puts the blame on “tightly controlled” group of outside agitators. I saw a similar report out of Oakland. Relying only on the internet, no cable.

Waltz: under attack from outside agitators

Couple of interesting points:

“Our cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault,” Walz said, suggesting that a growing number of rioters are coming from outside the city, and possibly outside the state, in what he called “an organized attempt to destabilize civil society.”

and

Maj. Gen. Jon Jensen, adjutant general of the Minnesota National Guard, said that despite the largest show of force in state history Friday night, “it was not enough.” He said the governor’s full deployment order would mean “the Minnesota National Guard is all in,”

Hopefully an overwhelming show of force that shuts this down without further loss of life.

So who are these tightly controlled groups of outside agitators? What do they want. Who do they represent?

I agree that outside agitators are largely responsible. Inside agitators are partially responsible. the sheeple being led are largely responsible.

What are their agendas?

Agenda - chaos. Anarchists exploiting the moment. ANTIFA and your rando white supremacists' wet dream.

Trump's Wednesday response was excellent. If only he could control himself for 48 hours and stick to that. GF's family put out a statement calling for calm. Mayor of Atlanta same.

Even if we don't agree regarding the underlying cause of the anger on display, we can agree that the nation needs to get through this horrible moment with as much social cohesion as possible.

On another note, I enjoy (enjoy probably the wrong word ) reading your, Tanq', 93's, Lad's, Big's 69, Ham's, etc, back and forth on this board. Don't have the bandwidth to really participate, but it's thought provoking. As a freerider, noting that.

(05-30-2020 08:44 PM)At Ease Wrote: