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RE: Trump Administration - Owl 69/70/75 - 11-05-2019 03:47 PM
(11-05-2019 02:39 PM)At Ease Wrote:
Every attorney's favorite cross-examination question, "Were you lying then, or are you lying now?"
RE: Trump Administration - At Ease - 11-05-2019 05:17 PM
A few weeks ago:
Today:
RE: Trump Administration - tanqtonic - 11-06-2019 11:46 AM
I guess At Ease has a problem reading the actual transcript. That is the problem about taking your information streams from shills.
Sondland:
Quote:I asked him [Trump] an open ended question: What do you want from Ukraine? And as I recall he was in a very bad mood. It was a quick conversation. He said: 'I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. I want [Ukraine President] Zelensky to do the right thing.'
Which corroborates Volcker's testimony.
Good grief. RTFT.
RE: Trump Administration - OptimisticOwl - 11-06-2019 12:14 PM
(11-06-2019 11:46 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: I guess At Ease has a problem reading the actual transcript. That is the problem about taking your information streams from shills.
Sondland:
Quote:I asked him [Trump] an open ended question: What do you want from Ukraine? And as I recall he was in a very bad mood. It was a quick conversation. He said: 'I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. I want [Ukraine President] Zelensky to do the right thing.'
Which corroborates Volcker's testimony.
Good grief. RTFT.
It seems he gets his news from Twitter, and primarily the tweets of Democrats.
he hears what he wants to hear.
Interesting that
democrats think a probe of Biden would be bad for him. I wonder what they know that they aren't telling us.
RE: Trump Administration - At Ease - 11-06-2019 01:07 PM
(11-06-2019 11:46 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: I guess At Ease has a problem reading the actual transcript. That is the problem about taking your information streams from shills.
Sondland:
Quote:I asked him [Trump] an open ended question: What do you want from Ukraine? And as I recall he was in a very bad mood. It was a quick conversation. He said: 'I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. I want [Ukraine President] Zelensky to do the right thing.'
Which corroborates Volcker's testimony.
Good grief. RTFT.
You can't be serious. This was a month after the whistleblower complaint.
Help is available.
RE: Trump Administration - OptimisticOwl - 11-06-2019 01:35 PM
OMIGOD. So Sondland says the release of aid was conditioned on Ukraine investing corruption. It was not confitioned on investigating Biden. In any case there was no investigations and the aid was released. what a terribly ineffective quid pro quo. doesn't sound like Trump at all - sounds more like Obama's "red line".
But in any case, even if Trump had wanted Biden investigated, what's the problem? That they might have found something?
If they find something, do you still want to nominate Biden for President? Is that the problem - you might not have been able to nominate a corrupt politician?
If they find nothing, aren't you happy to trumpet that fact?
It seems an america-loving party would want that investigation if Biden was innocent. But they aren't america-loving - they are DNC-loving.
So tell us why you are so upset, personally.
RE: Trump Administration - OptimisticOwl - 11-06-2019 02:23 PM
Biden influence
"A consulting firm representing Burisma Holdings used the Biden name to leverage a meeting between the gas company and State Department officials, according to documents released this week".
According to Democrats, nothing to see here, and to suggest there is, is an impeachable offense.
RE: Trump Administration - tanqtonic - 11-06-2019 02:28 PM
(11-06-2019 01:07 PM)At Ease Wrote:(11-06-2019 11:46 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: I guess At Ease has a problem reading the actual transcript. That is the problem about taking your information streams from shills.
Sondland:
Quote:I asked him [Trump] an open ended question: What do you want from Ukraine? And as I recall he was in a very bad mood. It was a quick conversation. He said: 'I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. I want [Ukraine President] Zelensky to do the right thing.'
Which corroborates Volcker's testimony.
Good grief. RTFT.
You can't be serious. This was a month after the whistleblower complaint.
Help is available.
Another fact gone wrong. From Oct. 19.
https://www.scribd.com/document/433585677/Sondland-Transcript#download&from_embed
RTFT.
I suggest you bother with facts *before* you engage in ad hom. Comprende?
What a tool.
RE: Trump Administration - OptimisticOwl - 11-06-2019 03:01 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/support-for-impeachment-slips-4-points-from-october-poll/ar-AAJWW1Z?li=BBnb7Kz#page=2
RE: Trump Administration - At Ease - 11-06-2019 03:10 PM
(11-06-2019 02:28 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:(11-06-2019 01:07 PM)At Ease Wrote:(11-06-2019 11:46 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: I guess At Ease has a problem reading the actual transcript. That is the problem about taking your information streams from shills.
Sondland:
Quote:I asked him [Trump] an open ended question: What do you want from Ukraine? And as I recall he was in a very bad mood. It was a quick conversation. He said: 'I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. I want [Ukraine President] Zelensky to do the right thing.'
Which corroborates Volcker's testimony.
Good grief. RTFT.
You can't be serious. This was a month after the whistleblower complaint.
Help is available.
Another fact gone wrong. From Oct. 19.
https://www.scribd.com/document/433585677/Sondland-Transcript#download&from_embed
RTFT.
I suggest you bother with facts *before* you engage in ad hom. Comprende?
What a tool.
What day do you think the phone call took place? It’s in reference to a Sept 9th(?) text message, so presumably after that. Which is a full month after the whistleblower complaint, and the WH aware of the allegations against.
RE: Trump Administration - Owl 69/70/75 - 11-06-2019 03:41 PM
Here is what I still have trouble with. Suppose hypothetically that a president has reason to believe that someone may be involved in illegal, unethical, or corrupt behavior. Does he have a duty to see that it is investigated, and does he have the power to enlist the aid of other in such corruption? Does that duty or power go away if the subject is a politician who might be a future political opponent of such president in, say, a year or two?
And to bring that hypothetical home, would Donald Trump have had such reason in this case? From what I know, yes. Hunter's $600K contract gets me there.
RE: Trump Administration - OptimisticOwl - 11-06-2019 04:21 PM
I just find it reprehensible that the people who hired Chris Steele to dig up dirt and make up lies are the ones incensed by this.
RE: Trump Administration - ausowl - 11-07-2019 05:52 PM
(11-06-2019 04:21 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: I just find it reprehensible that the people who hired Chris Steele to dig up dirt and make up lies are the ones incensed by this.
Bill Cohen hired Mr. Steele?
RE: Trump Administration - Owl 69/70/75 - 11-07-2019 07:04 PM
(11-07-2019 05:52 PM)ausowl Wrote:(11-06-2019 04:21 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: I just find it reprehensible that the people who hired Chris Steele to dig up dirt and make up lies are the ones incensed by this.Bill Cohen hired Mr. Steele?
Bill Cohen is incensed by this?
Look, there are clearly two sets of rules, at least with the media and with the establishment--one set for D's and another set for R's.
RE: Trump Administration - ausowl - 11-07-2019 10:46 PM
(11-07-2019 07:04 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(11-07-2019 05:52 PM)ausowl Wrote:(11-06-2019 04:21 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: I just find it reprehensible that the people who hired Chris Steele to dig up dirt and make up lies are the ones incensed by this.Bill Cohen hired Mr. Steele?
Bill Cohen is incensed by this?
Look, there are clearly two sets of rules, at least with the media and with the establishment--one set for D's and another set for R's.
He did a couple of recent interviews. Don't have the link right now.
RE: Trump Administration - ausowl - 11-07-2019 10:53 PM
(11-07-2019 10:46 PM)ausowl Wrote:(11-07-2019 07:04 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(11-07-2019 05:52 PM)ausowl Wrote:(11-06-2019 04:21 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: I just find it reprehensible that the people who hired Chris Steele to dig up dirt and make up lies are the ones incensed by this.Bill Cohen hired Mr. Steele?
Bill Cohen is incensed by this?
Look, there are clearly two sets of rules, at least with the media and with the establishment--one set for D's and another set for R's.
He did a couple of recent interviews. Don't have the link right now.
WaPo article
RE: Trump Administration - OptimisticOwl - 11-07-2019 11:20 PM
(11-07-2019 05:52 PM)ausowl Wrote:(11-06-2019 04:21 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: I just find it reprehensible that the people who hired Chris Steele to dig up dirt and make up lies are the ones incensed by this.
Bill Cohen hired Mr. Steele?
I was talking about liberal Democrats. Who do you think paid for the dossier?
RE: Trump Administration - Owl 69/70/75 - 11-08-2019 05:31 AM
(11-07-2019 10:53 PM)ausowl Wrote:(11-07-2019 10:46 PM)ausowl Wrote:WaPo article(11-07-2019 07:04 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:He did a couple of recent interviews. Don't have the link right now.(11-07-2019 05:52 PM)ausowl Wrote:Bill Cohen is incensed by this?(11-06-2019 04:21 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: I just find it reprehensible that the people who hired Chris Steele to dig up dirt and make up lies are the ones incensed by this.Bill Cohen hired Mr. Steele?
Look, there are clearly two sets of rules, at least with the media and with the establishment--one set for D's and another set for R's.
Bill Cohen is obviously incensed by a lot of things, but I don't see where he indicates that he is incensed by this particular one.
And as far as being incensed by republican spinelessness, they've spent the last 20 or so years being spineless toward democrats, so why should we not expect them to be spineless in other ways? Why should be expect them to be anything but spineless toward Trump when they've been spineless toward democrats for 20 years? And for that matter, why is it incumbent upon them to oppose Trump? Democrats have been so over the top in their opposition, why do republicans need to add to the situation?
RE: Trump Administration - tanqtonic - 11-08-2019 12:52 PM
Quote:Democrats have been so over the top in their opposition, why do republicans need to add to the situation?
When the Democrats stop in their absolutely ever-increasing 'over the top' (since Reagan, mind you) I might agree with you. I would put the issue in this perspective: back in my earlier 'litigation days' there was one defendant we had back-to-back-to-back-to-back litigation with. They started out as asshats, and we played by the Marquis rules in round one. They continued to get worse, even as we continued to be more FU in our treatment of them. Sometimes, there is no alternative but to do that.
Democrats for the first time ever have found a Republican party that has a spine. May not the be the best caretaker at the helm, but the fact in the first sentence in this paragraph is absolutely true. They dont like the bare knuckles politics, but to be blunt that is the bed *they* made for themselves.
Ask Merrick Garland. In another day, in another political landscape we would be talking about Associate Justice Garland. The problem is that I think, for each side, there is almost no way to return to the halcyon political climate of even 12 years ago.
RE: Trump Administration - At Ease - 11-15-2019 12:45 PM
Quote:Roger Stone, a veteran Republican political operative and longtime confidant of Donald Trump, was found guilty by a federal jury in Washington, D.C. on Friday in his false statements and obstruction trial.
The verdict, announced after two days of deliberations by the jury, adds another chapter to Stone's long and colorful history as a self-described dirty trickster.
It also means Stone, who is 67, likely faces prison time, even as a first-time offender. Stone stood as the verdict was read on all seven counts in this case but did not speak.
Stone was arrested in January at his home in Florida on charges brought by former special counsel Robert Mueller as part of the Russia investigation.
Stone pleaded not guilty to making false statements, obstruction and witness tampering.
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/15/779353180/roger-stone-political-operative-and-trump-aide-guilty-in-false-statements-trial