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RE: Trump Administration - Rice93 - 08-22-2019 08:09 PM

(08-22-2019 04:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 03:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  OK...couldn't resist a google search on my wait out of the office for "California Assistant DA appointed to State Commission"

This is one of the first links (from 2017)

https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-becerra-announces-state-appointments

Attorney General Becerra nominated Tracey Whitney to the Council on Mentally Ill Offenders (COMIO). COMIO was created by the Legislature in 2001 to address growing concerns about the high number of individuals with mental illness who were incarcerated or at risk of incarceration.

Ms. Whitney is currently a Deputy District Attorney in the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office. She is a founding member of the DA’s Mental Health Advisory Board and the County’s Permanent Steering Committee. Prior to her nearly two decades in the DA’s office, Ms. Whitney served as a Deputy District Attorney in Orange County. Ms. Whitney also clerked for federal court judge Honorable Kim McLane Wardlaw. She began her career in private practice. Ms. Whitney received her Juris Doctor from USC Gould School of Law and her undergraduate degree from Duke University.


Not sure if deputy district attorney is a reasonable comparison to whatever level that Tanq referred to. Any further thought about this would go over the 15 seconds I am willing to devote to it though.

I guess you didnt read the part about two decades of experience in the DA's office. How many years legal experience did Kamala have? Did you look into that? If you had (i.e. spent more than 15 secs) you would have noted that it was *less* than two years. Perhaps if you had taken a whole 17 secs you might understand that number in context.

Did you read the part about her founding the DA’s Mental Health Advisory Board and the County’s Permanent Steering Committee? What background in the areas that Willy tapped her (hehe) for did Kamala have? Hmmmm..... well still.... less than two years real world experience in total.

Perhaps if you upped your total to 20 fing seconds you would see what she was called upon to extend the to the world her deep, less than two year expertise to. Somehow that less than two years in all experience total made her supremely well fit to aid the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. And to oversee Medi-Cal service contracts.

Funny, I dont see the equivalent type of background experience that your find had already in mental health issues to be on a mental health commission. Well, lets up that total to 25 seconds so you dont look like a *complete* uninformed ass....

Please do tell how less than two years total experience garnered Harris the amazing expertise to the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. I am curious. Or how that less than two years experience garnered her the ability and wisdom for overseeing Medi-Cal service contracts.

Do you actually read things without keywords and skimming? Good grief.

Which part of me saying that I devoted exactly 15 seconds to this is confusing to you? Did I not make it clear that I was not conducting some exhaustive fact-finding mission? Good grief is right.


RE: Trump Administration - tanqtonic - 08-22-2019 08:25 PM

(08-22-2019 08:09 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 04:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 03:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  OK...couldn't resist a google search on my wait out of the office for "California Assistant DA appointed to State Commission"

This is one of the first links (from 2017)

https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-becerra-announces-state-appointments

Attorney General Becerra nominated Tracey Whitney to the Council on Mentally Ill Offenders (COMIO). COMIO was created by the Legislature in 2001 to address growing concerns about the high number of individuals with mental illness who were incarcerated or at risk of incarceration.

Ms. Whitney is currently a Deputy District Attorney in the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office. She is a founding member of the DA’s Mental Health Advisory Board and the County’s Permanent Steering Committee. Prior to her nearly two decades in the DA’s office, Ms. Whitney served as a Deputy District Attorney in Orange County. Ms. Whitney also clerked for federal court judge Honorable Kim McLane Wardlaw. She began her career in private practice. Ms. Whitney received her Juris Doctor from USC Gould School of Law and her undergraduate degree from Duke University.


Not sure if deputy district attorney is a reasonable comparison to whatever level that Tanq referred to. Any further thought about this would go over the 15 seconds I am willing to devote to it though.

I guess you didnt read the part about two decades of experience in the DA's office. How many years legal experience did Kamala have? Did you look into that? If you had (i.e. spent more than 15 secs) you would have noted that it was *less* than two years. Perhaps if you had taken a whole 17 secs you might understand that number in context.

Did you read the part about her founding the DA’s Mental Health Advisory Board and the County’s Permanent Steering Committee? What background in the areas that Willy tapped her (hehe) for did Kamala have? Hmmmm..... well still.... less than two years real world experience in total.

Perhaps if you upped your total to 20 fing seconds you would see what she was called upon to extend the to the world her deep, less than two year expertise to. Somehow that less than two years in all experience total made her supremely well fit to aid the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. And to oversee Medi-Cal service contracts.

Funny, I dont see the equivalent type of background experience that your find had already in mental health issues to be on a mental health commission. Well, lets up that total to 25 seconds so you dont look like a *complete* uninformed ass....

Please do tell how less than two years total experience garnered Harris the amazing expertise to the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. I am curious. Or how that less than two years experience garnered her the ability and wisdom for overseeing Medi-Cal service contracts.

Do you actually read things without keywords and skimming? Good grief.

Which part of me saying that I devoted exactly 15 seconds to this is confusing to you? Did I not make it clear that I was not conducting some exhaustive fact-finding mission? Good grief is right.

So you throw some random unread stuff out there for giggles, with no attempt to see if it conforms to the conversation. If so, then thank you *so* much for that absolutely historic effort. You are so brave.

I am still looking forward to your telling us how a less than two year attorney is so awesomely experienced to both be a Commissioner for the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board *and* the concurrent expertise to overseeing Medi-Cal service contracts with the other appointment.


RE: Trump Administration - Rice93 - 08-22-2019 08:51 PM

(08-22-2019 08:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 08:09 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 04:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 03:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  OK...couldn't resist a google search on my wait out of the office for "California Assistant DA appointed to State Commission"

This is one of the first links (from 2017)

https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-becerra-announces-state-appointments

Attorney General Becerra nominated Tracey Whitney to the Council on Mentally Ill Offenders (COMIO). COMIO was created by the Legislature in 2001 to address growing concerns about the high number of individuals with mental illness who were incarcerated or at risk of incarceration.

Ms. Whitney is currently a Deputy District Attorney in the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office. She is a founding member of the DA’s Mental Health Advisory Board and the County’s Permanent Steering Committee. Prior to her nearly two decades in the DA’s office, Ms. Whitney served as a Deputy District Attorney in Orange County. Ms. Whitney also clerked for federal court judge Honorable Kim McLane Wardlaw. She began her career in private practice. Ms. Whitney received her Juris Doctor from USC Gould School of Law and her undergraduate degree from Duke University.


Not sure if deputy district attorney is a reasonable comparison to whatever level that Tanq referred to. Any further thought about this would go over the 15 seconds I am willing to devote to it though.

I guess you didnt read the part about two decades of experience in the DA's office. How many years legal experience did Kamala have? Did you look into that? If you had (i.e. spent more than 15 secs) you would have noted that it was *less* than two years. Perhaps if you had taken a whole 17 secs you might understand that number in context.

Did you read the part about her founding the DA’s Mental Health Advisory Board and the County’s Permanent Steering Committee? What background in the areas that Willy tapped her (hehe) for did Kamala have? Hmmmm..... well still.... less than two years real world experience in total.

Perhaps if you upped your total to 20 fing seconds you would see what she was called upon to extend the to the world her deep, less than two year expertise to. Somehow that less than two years in all experience total made her supremely well fit to aid the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. And to oversee Medi-Cal service contracts.

Funny, I dont see the equivalent type of background experience that your find had already in mental health issues to be on a mental health commission. Well, lets up that total to 25 seconds so you dont look like a *complete* uninformed ass....

Please do tell how less than two years total experience garnered Harris the amazing expertise to the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. I am curious. Or how that less than two years experience garnered her the ability and wisdom for overseeing Medi-Cal service contracts.

Do you actually read things without keywords and skimming? Good grief.

Which part of me saying that I devoted exactly 15 seconds to this is confusing to you? Did I not make it clear that I was not conducting some exhaustive fact-finding mission? Good grief is right.

So you throw some random unread stuff out there for giggles, with no attempt to see if it conforms to the conversation. If so, then thank you *so* much for that absolutely historic effort. You are so brave.

I find it weird that you often sardonically refer to posts as "brave". Do you think any posts on here are actually brave, yours or otherwise?

Quote:I am still looking forward to your telling us how a less than two year attorney is so awesomely experienced to both be a Commissioner for the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board *and* the concurrent expertise to overseeing Medi-Cal service contracts with the other appointment.

First of all, at no point have I tried to argue that there is absolutely "nothing to see here" when it comes to those appointments. If it is out of the norm as you say it is... then I find more fault with Willie Brown than I do Harris. This strikes me as the sort of BS cronyism that takes place at all levels of politics. I don't love this story as it relates to Harris however it doesn't hit the level that I would consider her unfit for public office.

What if I were a 29-year-old and was dating my superior and she said to me, "Hey... you're really smart and I think you'd be great at this position so I'm going to name you to this committee."? Would I demure, saying "I'm not sure about the optics of that move?" or would I accept the appointment? I'm not sure that I wouldn't take the position. Perhaps 29-year-old Tanq would have stood on principle and demurred.

Also... not that it matters but for accuracy's sake the two commission appointments were not concurrent. The CA Medical Assistance Commission followed her six months on the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board.

I still think it's really s****y to refer to Kamala Harris as a "slut", "prostitute", or "bimbo". I'm sorry that you guys don't seem to agree.


RE: Trump Administration - Fort Bend Owl - 08-22-2019 09:42 PM

Heather Nauert of Fox News almost gets appointed U.N. Ambassador, and no one here bats an eye. Even after she withdrew her name due to a 'nanny issue', Trump has subsequently appointed her to the Fulbright Foreign Scholarship Program Board. That's 2019 news, not 1994 news, but no one here cares.


RE: Trump Administration - OptimisticOwl - 08-22-2019 09:58 PM

(08-22-2019 09:42 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Heather Nauert of Fox News almost gets appointed U.N. Ambassador, and no one here bats an eye. Even after she withdrew her name due to a 'nanny issue', Trump has subsequently appointed her to the Fulbright Foreign Scholarship Program Board. That's 2019 news, not 1994 news, but no one here cares.

Is Trump sleeping with her?

Seriously, I see no problem with either appointment. You only see a problem because the words "Fox News", apparently.


RE: Trump Administration - OptimisticOwl - 08-22-2019 09:59 PM

(08-22-2019 09:42 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Heather Nauert of Fox News almost gets appointed U.N. Ambassador, and no one here bats an eye. Even after she withdrew her name due to a 'nanny issue', Trump has subsequently appointed her to the Fulbright Foreign Scholarship Program Board. That's 2019 news, not 1994 news, but no one here cares.

Is Trump sleeping with her?

Seriously, I see no problem with either appointment. You only see a problem because the words "Fox News", apparently.


RE: Trump Administration - tanqtonic - 08-22-2019 10:11 PM

(08-22-2019 08:51 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 08:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 08:09 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 04:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 03:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  OK...couldn't resist a google search on my wait out of the office for "California Assistant DA appointed to State Commission"

This is one of the first links (from 2017)

https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-becerra-announces-state-appointments

Attorney General Becerra nominated Tracey Whitney to the Council on Mentally Ill Offenders (COMIO). COMIO was created by the Legislature in 2001 to address growing concerns about the high number of individuals with mental illness who were incarcerated or at risk of incarceration.

Ms. Whitney is currently a Deputy District Attorney in the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office. She is a founding member of the DA’s Mental Health Advisory Board and the County’s Permanent Steering Committee. Prior to her nearly two decades in the DA’s office, Ms. Whitney served as a Deputy District Attorney in Orange County. Ms. Whitney also clerked for federal court judge Honorable Kim McLane Wardlaw. She began her career in private practice. Ms. Whitney received her Juris Doctor from USC Gould School of Law and her undergraduate degree from Duke University.


Not sure if deputy district attorney is a reasonable comparison to whatever level that Tanq referred to. Any further thought about this would go over the 15 seconds I am willing to devote to it though.

I guess you didnt read the part about two decades of experience in the DA's office. How many years legal experience did Kamala have? Did you look into that? If you had (i.e. spent more than 15 secs) you would have noted that it was *less* than two years. Perhaps if you had taken a whole 17 secs you might understand that number in context.

Did you read the part about her founding the DA’s Mental Health Advisory Board and the County’s Permanent Steering Committee? What background in the areas that Willy tapped her (hehe) for did Kamala have? Hmmmm..... well still.... less than two years real world experience in total.

Perhaps if you upped your total to 20 fing seconds you would see what she was called upon to extend the to the world her deep, less than two year expertise to. Somehow that less than two years in all experience total made her supremely well fit to aid the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. And to oversee Medi-Cal service contracts.

Funny, I dont see the equivalent type of background experience that your find had already in mental health issues to be on a mental health commission. Well, lets up that total to 25 seconds so you dont look like a *complete* uninformed ass....

Please do tell how less than two years total experience garnered Harris the amazing expertise to the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. I am curious. Or how that less than two years experience garnered her the ability and wisdom for overseeing Medi-Cal service contracts.

Do you actually read things without keywords and skimming? Good grief.

Which part of me saying that I devoted exactly 15 seconds to this is confusing to you? Did I not make it clear that I was not conducting some exhaustive fact-finding mission? Good grief is right.

So you throw some random unread stuff out there for giggles, with no attempt to see if it conforms to the conversation. If so, then thank you *so* much for that absolutely historic effort. You are so brave.

I find it weird that you often sardonically refer to posts as "brave". Do you think any posts on here are actually brave, yours or otherwise?

Quote:I am still looking forward to your telling us how a less than two year attorney is so awesomely experienced to both be a Commissioner for the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board *and* the concurrent expertise to overseeing Medi-Cal service contracts with the other appointment.

First of all, at no point have I tried to argue that there is absolutely "nothing to see here" when it comes to those appointments. If it is out of the norm as you say it is... then I find more fault with Willie Brown than I do Harris. This strikes me as the sort of BS cronyism that takes place at all levels of politics. I don't love this story as it relates to Harris however it doesn't hit the level that I would consider her unfit for public office.

What if I were a 29-year-old and was dating my superior and she said to me, "Hey... you're really smart and I think you'd be great at this position so I'm going to name you to this committee."? Would I demure, saying "I'm not sure about the optics of that move?" or would I accept the appointment? I'm not sure that I wouldn't take the position.

You kind of left off the part where the superior and the recipient are engaging in a sexual relationship. And where the superior is actually married.

The fact that she was doing not just the Assembly Speaker, but the married Assembly Speaker is something that, on its own, is the business of the two people involved. When the Assembly Speaker starts doling out political gifts to the woman he is *******, then at that point it becomes a problem.

When the recipient of 'gifts' (of all sorts) knows damn fing well that the political gifts are being given out in exchange for the sexual relationship, then yes, there is a problem at the recipient level. Especially when the recipient works as an attorney, let alone an attorney at the friggin' DA's office.

Not is it just an obvious moralistic problem (boning the Assembly Speaker and taking political patronage), it actually borders on being a criminal issue. So yes, a ******* DA *should* ******* know that.

Quote:Perhaps 29-year-old Tanq would have stood on principle and demurred.

Perhaps both the 29 year old Tanq as an attorney would actually realize both the moralistic issues in that f-cking for political patronage, but would probably recognize the potential legal problems that might result to one or both parties. And Jesus Krist in a snowcone, one doesnt have to be a fing DA to recognize that.

Nice obfuscation of the situation. World class I would say.

Quote:Also... not that it matters but for accuracy's sake the two commission appointments were not concurrent. The CA Medical Assistance Commission followed her six months on the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board.

Still worth about 150% of her salary as a deputy wet behind the ears DA. Today's sugar babies have *nothing* on Kamala on rate of return I would say.

Quote:I still think it's really s****y to refer to Kamala Harris as a "slut", "prostitute", or "bimbo". I'm sorry that you guys don't seem to agree.

Yes, you have preached that. Quite a bit. And once again, what would *you* term the sex for advancement quid pro quo that seemingly occurred with that?

I think that has been asked of you two, three, or maybe even four times.

And funnily, all you come back with time after time after time is how 'terrible' any other descriptors are. And how 'terrible' anyone is for using those descriptors.

And how everyone else in the world shouldnt be looking at the arrangement as such. Or how 'maybe' every bit of information is somehow 'wrong' or 'warped'.

You know, kind of like how Joliet Jake Blues talks his way out of being shot by Carrie Fisher in the sewer.

Quote:I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!



RE: Trump Administration - OptimisticOwl - 08-22-2019 10:14 PM

(08-22-2019 08:51 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  What if I were a 29-year-old and was dating my superior

I would question your judgement too.


RE: Trump Administration - Rice93 - 08-22-2019 11:04 PM

(08-22-2019 10:11 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 08:51 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 08:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 08:09 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 04:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess you didnt read the part about two decades of experience in the DA's office. How many years legal experience did Kamala have? Did you look into that? If you had (i.e. spent more than 15 secs) you would have noted that it was *less* than two years. Perhaps if you had taken a whole 17 secs you might understand that number in context.

Did you read the part about her founding the DA’s Mental Health Advisory Board and the County’s Permanent Steering Committee? What background in the areas that Willy tapped her (hehe) for did Kamala have? Hmmmm..... well still.... less than two years real world experience in total.

Perhaps if you upped your total to 20 fing seconds you would see what she was called upon to extend the to the world her deep, less than two year expertise to. Somehow that less than two years in all experience total made her supremely well fit to aid the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. And to oversee Medi-Cal service contracts.

Funny, I dont see the equivalent type of background experience that your find had already in mental health issues to be on a mental health commission. Well, lets up that total to 25 seconds so you dont look like a *complete* uninformed ass....

Please do tell how less than two years total experience garnered Harris the amazing expertise to the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. I am curious. Or how that less than two years experience garnered her the ability and wisdom for overseeing Medi-Cal service contracts.

Do you actually read things without keywords and skimming? Good grief.

Which part of me saying that I devoted exactly 15 seconds to this is confusing to you? Did I not make it clear that I was not conducting some exhaustive fact-finding mission? Good grief is right.

So you throw some random unread stuff out there for giggles, with no attempt to see if it conforms to the conversation. If so, then thank you *so* much for that absolutely historic effort. You are so brave.

I find it weird that you often sardonically refer to posts as "brave". Do you think any posts on here are actually brave, yours or otherwise?

Quote:I am still looking forward to your telling us how a less than two year attorney is so awesomely experienced to both be a Commissioner for the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board *and* the concurrent expertise to overseeing Medi-Cal service contracts with the other appointment.

First of all, at no point have I tried to argue that there is absolutely "nothing to see here" when it comes to those appointments. If it is out of the norm as you say it is... then I find more fault with Willie Brown than I do Harris. This strikes me as the sort of BS cronyism that takes place at all levels of politics. I don't love this story as it relates to Harris however it doesn't hit the level that I would consider her unfit for public office.

What if I were a 29-year-old and was dating my superior and she said to me, "Hey... you're really smart and I think you'd be great at this position so I'm going to name you to this committee."? Would I demure, saying "I'm not sure about the optics of that move?" or would I accept the appointment? I'm not sure that I wouldn't take the position.

You kind of left off the part where the superior and the recipient are engaging in a sexual relationship. And where the superior is actually married.

You conveniently left out the part where Willie Brown had been separated from his wife for a decade or so and that he was well-known to operate as a single man. Nice obfuscation of the situation. World class I would say.

Also, I felt that the bolded part implied that there was a sexual relationship.

Quote:The fact that she was doing not just the Assembly Speaker, but the married Assembly Speaker is something that, on its own, is the business of the two people involved. When the Assembly Speaker starts doling out political gifts to the woman he is *******, then at that point it becomes a problem.

When the recipient of 'gifts' (of all sorts) knows damn fing well that the political gifts are being given out in exchange for the sexual relationship, then yes, there is a problem at the recipient level. Especially when the recipient works as an attorney, let alone an attorney at the friggin' DA's office.

Not is it just an obvious moralistic problem (boning the Assembly Speaker and taking political patronage), it actually borders on being a criminal issue. So yes, a ******* DA *should* ******* know that.

Quote:Perhaps 29-year-old Tanq would have stood on principle and demurred.

Perhaps both the 29 year old Tanq as an attorney would actually realize both the moralistic issues in that f-cking for political patronage, but would probably recognize the potential legal problems that might result to one or both parties. And Jesus Krist in a snowcone, one doesnt have to be a fing DA to recognize that.

Nice obfuscation of the situation. World class I would say.

Quote:Also... not that it matters but for accuracy's sake the two commission appointments were not concurrent. The CA Medical Assistance Commission followed her six months on the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board.

Still worth about 150% of her salary as a deputy wet behind the ears DA. Today's sugar babies have *nothing* on Kamala on rate of return I would say.

Quote:I still think it's really s****y to refer to Kamala Harris as a "slut", "prostitute", or "bimbo". I'm sorry that you guys don't seem to agree.

Yes, you have preached that. Quite a bit. And once again, what would *you* term the sex for advancement quid pro quo that seemingly occurred with that?

I think that has been asked of you two, three, or maybe even four times.

You seem to be the one who is confident in Harris' intentions when it comes to dating Brown. I'm not and that's why I'm not putting a name on it. If you wanted me to put a name on that generic situation I certainly wouldn't use the term "slut". "Sexual quid pro quo" is pretty good though.

Quote:And funnily, all you come back with time after time after time is how 'terrible' any other descriptors are. And how 'terrible' anyone is for using those descriptors.

And how everyone else in the world shouldnt be looking at the arrangement as such. Or how 'maybe' every bit of information is somehow 'wrong' or 'warped'.

I don't think I've made a case for this but don't let that stop you.


RE: Trump Administration - tanqtonic - 08-23-2019 01:28 AM

(08-22-2019 11:04 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  "Sexual quid pro quo" is pretty good though.

So we finally got you term it something.

Now you have established that as a 'sexual quid pro quo'.

What difference exists between a 'sexual quid pro quo' (which you admit is present) and giving something of value for or in response of an act of sexual gratification?

Seems to be equivalent, doesnt it? I mean, we arent talking about a meal, or a trip here. We aren't even talking about just a political jump start, but 400k extra hot burning cash in Kamala's pocket.

Funny, you get hot and bothered about the term 'prostitute', and readily agree that 'sexual quid pro quo' is an accurate description of the appointments handed to Kamala as 'quid', with the sexual relationship being the 'pro quo'.

Here is what I am now confused about. Sexual quid pro quo is accurate (according to you), and when one checks the California prostitution statute verbiage, the act is defined as 'any lewd act between persons for money or other consideration'. Since you admit there was a sexual quid for the pro quo, seems to me the statute reads dead on to the definition of prostitution.

Seems that you admit the actions being effectively prostitution, why the gander about the label 'prostitute' being used?

I mean, I once worked with a partner who was schtuffing a law student, and he got her an internship with a political client. Both of them freely admitted to the 'sugar daddy / sugar baby' aspect that *was* their relationship. Nicer, kinder, words...... but still the same thing as what we are discussing. And seemingly the thing that seems to have occurred between Harris and Brown.

But by god, it *certainly* cant be described as anything like 'prostitute'. Sexual quid pro quo == acceptable; but yet prostitute is double ungood think words.

You certainly do have some interesting absolute reflexive tendencies about words. One phrase is freely used by you to describe the situation, and acceptable; but another word that describes the same situation definitely is not. Is a 400k payout for the sexual pro quo too *much* to be considered hooking?

See, you are now getting into the particulars of the inside joke that ran about during Kamala's tenure as DA. She went to war (or in terms of organized crime, 'went to the mattresses') on the prostitutes in SF -- seems that even the street versions made just enough to run afoul of the Kamala Harris reign; perhaps 400k puts it outside the realm of Kamala's reign.


RE: Trump Administration - Rice93 - 08-23-2019 05:36 AM

(08-23-2019 01:28 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 11:04 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  "Sexual quid pro quo" is pretty good though.

So we finally got you term it something.

Now you have established that as a 'sexual quid pro quo'.

What difference exists between a 'sexual quid pro quo' (which you admit is present) and giving something of value for or in response of an act of sexual gratification?

Seems to be equivalent, doesnt it? I mean, we arent talking about a meal, or a trip here. We aren't even talking about just a political jump start, but 400k extra hot burning cash in Kamala's pocket.

Funny, you get hot and bothered about the term 'prostitute', and readily agree that 'sexual quid pro quo' is an accurate description of the appointments handed to Kamala as 'quid', with the sexual relationship being the 'pro quo'.

Here is what I am now confused about. Sexual quid pro quo is accurate (according to you), and when one checks the California prostitution statute verbiage, the act is defined as 'any lewd act between persons for money or other consideration'. Since you admit there was a sexual quid for the pro quo, seems to me the statute reads dead on to the definition of prostitution.

Seems that you admit the actions being effectively prostitution, why the gander about the label 'prostitute' being used?

I mean, I once worked with a partner who was schtuffing a law student, and he got her an internship with a political client. Both of them freely admitted to the 'sugar daddy / sugar baby' aspect that *was* their relationship. Nicer, kinder, words...... but still the same thing as what we are discussing. And seemingly the thing that seems to have occurred between Harris and Brown.

But by god, it *certainly* cant be described as anything like 'prostitute'. Sexual quid pro quo == acceptable; but yet prostitute is double ungood think words.

You certainly do have some interesting absolute reflexive tendencies about words. One phrase is freely used by you to describe the situation, and acceptable; but another word that describes the same situation definitely is not. Is a 400k payout for the sexual pro quo too *much* to be considered hooking?

See, you are now getting into the particulars of the inside joke that ran about during Kamala's tenure as DA. She went to war (or in terms of organized crime, 'went to the mattresses') on the prostitutes in SF -- seems that even the street versions made just enough to run afoul of the Kamala Harris reign; perhaps 400k puts it outside the realm of Kamala's reign.

Long response albeit misdirected.

I said I didn't know the particulars of what went on with Harris/Brown and therefore I wasn't going to put a name on it.

I said "sexual quid pro quo" would apply to the generic situation (sugar daddy) that you described but not as it related to Harris (again... I don't know the details).


RE: Trump Administration - tanqtonic - 08-23-2019 08:46 AM

And this is what is so utterly amusing:

For people who are completely willing to misquote one person and thereafter characterize it as racist at the drop of the hat, with the proverbial speed of Marshall Matt Dillon getting rid of Dodge City's worst, the same people are utterly unable to make a rapid judgement about Kamala being a sugar baby, heck, let alone *any* judgement.

The flip side is that one must believe that a less than two year attorney is so amazingly experienced to lend that superpower level persona to two different state commissions to be worth 400k in state dole funds.

I do find the differences in making those judgmental leaps to be utterly astounding. Actually, after a tad of reflection, perhaps maybe not.


RE: Trump Administration - Rice93 - 08-23-2019 09:00 AM

(08-23-2019 08:46 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And this is what is so utterly amusing:

For people who are completely willing to misquote one person and thereafter characterize it as racist at the drop of the hat, with the proverbial speed of Marshall Matt Dillon getting rid of Dodge City's worst, the same people are utterly unable to make a rapid judgement about Kamala being a sugar baby, heck, let alone *any* judgement.

You mean like you misquoted my post above, completely taking it out of context to pretend that I agreed with you that Kamala was engaging in sexual quid-pro-quo? You mean like that?


RE: Trump Administration - Fountains of Wayne Graham - 08-23-2019 09:08 AM

Tanq's rhetorical style is insufferable.


RE: Trump Administration - Rice93 - 08-23-2019 09:13 AM

(08-23-2019 09:08 AM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  Tanq's rhetorical style is insufferable.

Word.


RE: Trump Administration - tanqtonic - 08-23-2019 09:22 AM

(08-23-2019 09:00 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 08:46 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And this is what is so utterly amusing:

For people who are completely willing to misquote one person and thereafter characterize it as racist at the drop of the hat, with the proverbial speed of Marshall Matt Dillon getting rid of Dodge City's worst, the same people are utterly unable to make a rapid judgement about Kamala being a sugar baby, heck, let alone *any* judgement.

You mean like you misquoted my post above, completely taking it out of context to pretend that I agreed with you that Kamala was engaging in sexual quid-pro-quo? You mean like that?

Me: What would *you* term the sex for advancement quid pro quo that seemingly occurred with that?

You: You seem to be the one who is confident in Harris' intentions when it comes to dating Brown. I'm not and that's why I'm not putting a name on it. If you wanted me to put a name on that generic situation I certainly wouldn't use the term "slut". "Sexual quid pro quo" is pretty good though.

I took your word 'that' to mean the situation we were talking about: Harris and Brown.

As to the 'misquote' -- to be blunt it was your use of an indistinct word 'that' that led to a confusion.

I didnt misquote anybody, asshat.

Not my problem if *you* use an indistinct pronoun that can easily be taken as a reference to the generic situation between Brown and Harris

Pull your fing head out of your ass, sparkles.

Did I misinterpret *your* indistinct pronoun? Well yes I did. Mea culpa. I suggest you use less indistinct verbiage.

At least be fing bright enough to recognize your own fing words. I recognize my misinterpretation of your words. But no, I did not misquote them. At *best* your sentence is horribly indistinct *and* amazingly ambiguous in what you are calling out there.


RE: Trump Administration - OptimisticOwl - 08-23-2019 09:24 AM

Generally, when a person of power has a sexual relationship with a person of little power who is a subordinate, and the subordinate gets things of value from the person of power, an assumption is made that the things are due to the sexual relationship.

I know that would be the assumption if these two were Republicans. Kind of amusing to watch the left yell "But this is different

Amazing to watch the erstwhile Russian collusionists say we just don't know what went on between two people, therefore it should be ignored.

However, it doesn't really matter to me how she got to where she is. What matters to me is that, IMO, she will make a very weak President, pushed and pulled and controlled by her party's leadership, and the only reasons she is a top candidate are her race and sex, not her ideas(she has none) or her achievements(in doubt).

She's not the worst candidate. She is not a good one.

she is dropping in the polls lately. Maybe this is all moot.


RE: Trump Administration - Rice93 - 08-23-2019 09:35 AM

(08-23-2019 09:22 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 09:00 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 08:46 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And this is what is so utterly amusing:

For people who are completely willing to misquote one person and thereafter characterize it as racist at the drop of the hat, with the proverbial speed of Marshall Matt Dillon getting rid of Dodge City's worst, the same people are utterly unable to make a rapid judgement about Kamala being a sugar baby, heck, let alone *any* judgement.

You mean like you misquoted my post above, completely taking it out of context to pretend that I agreed with you that Kamala was engaging in sexual quid-pro-quo? You mean like that?

Me: What would *you* term the sex for advancement quid pro quo that seemingly occurred with that?

You: You seem to be the one who is confident in Harris' intentions when it comes to dating Brown. I'm not and that's why I'm not putting a name on it. If you wanted me to put a name on that generic situation I certainly wouldn't use the term "slut". "Sexual quid pro quo" is pretty good though.

I took your word 'that' to mean the situation we were talking about: Harris and Brown.

As to the 'misquote' -- to be blunt it was your use of an indistinct word 'that' that led to a confusion.

I didnt misquote anybody, asshat.

Not my problem if *you* use an indistinct pronoun that can easily be taken as a reference to the generic situation between Brown and Harris

Pull your fing head out of your ass, sparkles.

Did I misinterpret *your* indistinct pronoun? Well yes I did. Mea culpa. I suggest you use less indistinct verbiage.

At least be fing bright enough to recognize your own fing words. I recognize my misinterpretation of your words. But no, I did not misquote them. At *best* your sentence is horribly indistinct in what you are calling out there.

I'm remembering why I was posting less after coming back from vacation.


RE: Trump Administration - tanqtonic - 08-23-2019 09:36 AM

(08-23-2019 09:24 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Amazing to watch the erstwhile Russian collusionists say we just don't know what went on between two people, therefore it should be ignored.

I guess 400k in public funds from the Speaker to a 2nd year attorney with no other real experience except that she happens to be schtuffing the Willy isnt enough to cross the 'this is somewhat out of normal' rubicon for some.

If Kamala were some brainless airhead, I might agree with 93s protestations of 'innocence' of the situation. Kamala seems very aware of most things. And being a DA, I would hope (and actually assume) she knows damn well that Willy's actions arent really flirting with being illegal, there is a heavy implication of that. But, that didnt stop her.

Poor innocent, naive, not in touch with the real world Kamala. (the implication from 93). Yeah, my ass. Kind of goes against the grain of everything people know about her.


RE: Trump Administration - tanqtonic - 08-23-2019 09:46 AM

(08-23-2019 09:35 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 09:22 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 09:00 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 08:46 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And this is what is so utterly amusing:

For people who are completely willing to misquote one person and thereafter characterize it as racist at the drop of the hat, with the proverbial speed of Marshall Matt Dillon getting rid of Dodge City's worst, the same people are utterly unable to make a rapid judgement about Kamala being a sugar baby, heck, let alone *any* judgement.

You mean like you misquoted my post above, completely taking it out of context to pretend that I agreed with you that Kamala was engaging in sexual quid-pro-quo? You mean like that?

Me: What would *you* term the sex for advancement quid pro quo that seemingly occurred with that?

You: You seem to be the one who is confident in Harris' intentions when it comes to dating Brown. I'm not and that's why I'm not putting a name on it. If you wanted me to put a name on that generic situation I certainly wouldn't use the term "slut". "Sexual quid pro quo" is pretty good though.

I took your word 'that' to mean the situation we were talking about: Harris and Brown.

As to the 'misquote' -- to be blunt it was your use of an indistinct word 'that' that led to a confusion.

I didnt misquote anybody, asshat.

Not my problem if *you* use an indistinct pronoun that can easily be taken as a reference to the generic situation between Brown and Harris

Pull your fing head out of your ass, sparkles.

Did I misinterpret *your* indistinct pronoun? Well yes I did. Mea culpa. I suggest you use less indistinct verbiage.

At least be fing bright enough to recognize your own fing words. I recognize my misinterpretation of your words. But no, I did not misquote them. At *best* your sentence is horribly indistinct in what you are calling out there.

I'm remembering why I was posting less after coming back from vacation.

I take it that you dont recognize *your* use of an indistinct pronoun when tossing out the 'you misquoted' whine. Got it.