(07-18-2019 04:02 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 02:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 01:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 01:07 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 01:01 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Dude is a pejorative term. You cannot use language like that because you never know who might take offense.

I do. It is demeaning t call me dude. You whippersnappers do that all the time.

But I didn't even notice the post where you granted the right. It was the one where you asked why he thought he had the right to use those terms.

Hey, if you jump up to confront people on their words, you ARE the Thought Militia. Maybe the Speech Militia.

So Trump and his supporters are the speech militia? Per Tanq, they’re confronting people because they use the word Nazi.

Edit: and what about parents who teach their children not to curse or call people names? Or what about the head of HR, who would definitely fire me for using a racial slur? Or what about the government who would hold me liable for screaming fire in a crowded theater, should someone get hurt?

As for the head of HR, he has to live in the world your guys created, where a racial slur is firing grounds. Didn't use to be. You guys changed the world. I am sure you are proud, Cowboy. I mean, Dude. I mean, whatever is OK with you.

I think it's a net plus, TBH. I have concerns over the "cancel culture" in general but I'm just fine with people losing their jobs over using a racial slur.

Back when I was in high school all my friends used the term "gay" in a pejorative fashion. The term "f*g* was thrown around freely as well. Are these the good-old-days that you pine for? I'm ashamed to have taken part in that and I recognize how hurtful that was for certain individuals in our orbit.

I am astounded that you were that way, what, 20-30 years or more after I had a gay friend in high school? How regressive were you? I graduated in 1963.

Quote:Yeah, Jim was not as comfortable in my country HS full of rednecks as he would be today, but he got by.

Quote: His "friend" Harlan was one of the more popular guys in school. I guess my country school in 1962-63 was more progressive than your school. And we did it without being coerced.

(07-20-2019 09:28 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 04:02 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 02:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 01:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 01:07 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  So Trump and his supporters are the speech militia? Per Tanq, they’re confronting people because they use the word Nazi.

Edit: and what about parents who teach their children not to curse or call people names? Or what about the head of HR, who would definitely fire me for using a racial slur? Or what about the government who would hold me liable for screaming fire in a crowded theater, should someone get hurt?

As for the head of HR, he has to live in the world your guys created, where a racial slur is firing grounds. Didn't use to be. You guys changed the world. I am sure you are proud, Cowboy. I mean, Dude. I mean, whatever is OK with you.

I think it's a net plus, TBH. I have concerns over the "cancel culture" in general but I'm just fine with people losing their jobs over using a racial slur.

Back when I was in high school all my friends used the term "gay" in a pejorative fashion. The term "f*g* was thrown around freely as well. Are these the good-old-days that you pine for? I'm ashamed to have taken part in that and I recognize how hurtful that was for certain individuals in our orbit.

I am astounded that you were that way, what, 20-30 years or more after I had a gay friend in high school? How regressive were you? I graduated in 1963.

I'm surprised that you are astounded by that fact. My experience was that this type of behavior was not uncommon. Maybe it was better in 1963? As I said... I am ashamed of it.

Quote:Yeah, Jim was not as comfortable in my country HS full of rednecks as he would be today, but he got by.

I'm glad he got by. Plenty of his people in his situation didn't get through unscathed.

Quote: His "friend" Harlan was one of the more popular guys in school. I guess my country school in 1962-63 was more progressive than your school. And we did it without being coerced.

Clearly your school was more progressive without any coercion. It would be interesting to me to hear from homosexuals in your area from that era to see if they felt the same way about the experience that you do.

In all honesty, I applaud you for being so progressive and having a gay friend in high school in an area that you describe as "redneck country". I too was friendly with gay people in school however that did not prevent me from using language amongst my non-gay friends that was wrong and unacceptable. All I can do is learn from my mistakes, teach my kids differently, and vote for politicians that support equal rights for everybody.

(07-20-2019 09:02 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Who could be against this anti-masking law?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/portland-considers-antimask-law-aimed-at-antifa-violence/ar-AAEvBOh?li=BBnb7Kz

It will be interesting to see who opposes and why when it comes to a vote.

(07-20-2019 09:08 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Watching ABC this morning. I have two two distortions of fact already, both about (surprise!). Trump

He told the four Congresswomen to go back to the countries from where they came from.

The other was the timeworn “He called Mexicans rapists”.

I thought new organizations were supposed to stick to the facts.

I guess this will continue as long as the left continues to tacitly approve the inaccuracies with their silence.

(07-20-2019 09:28 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 04:02 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 02:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 01:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 01:07 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  So Trump and his supporters are the speech militia? Per Tanq, they’re confronting people because they use the word Nazi.

Edit: and what about parents who teach their children not to curse or call people names? Or what about the head of HR, who would definitely fire me for using a racial slur? Or what about the government who would hold me liable for screaming fire in a crowded theater, should someone get hurt?

As for the head of HR, he has to live in the world your guys created, where a racial slur is firing grounds. Didn't use to be. You guys changed the world. I am sure you are proud, Cowboy. I mean, Dude. I mean, whatever is OK with you.

I think it's a net plus, TBH. I have concerns over the "cancel culture" in general but I'm just fine with people losing their jobs over using a racial slur.

Back when I was in high school all my friends used the term "gay" in a pejorative fashion. The term "f*g* was thrown around freely as well. Are these the good-old-days that you pine for? I'm ashamed to have taken part in that and I recognize how hurtful that was for certain individuals in our orbit.

I am astounded that you were that way, what, 20-30 years or more after I had a gay friend in high school? How regressive were you? I graduated in 1963.

I'm surprised that you are astounded by that fact. My experience was that this type of behavior was not uncommon. Maybe it was better in 1963? As I said... I am ashamed of it.

Quote:Yeah, Jim was not as comfortable in my country HS full of rednecks as he would be today, but he got by.

I'm glad he got by. Plenty of his people in his situation didn't get through unscathed.

Quote: His "friend" Harlan was one of the more popular guys in school. I guess my country school in 1962-63 was more progressive than your school. And we did it without being coerced.

Clearly your school was more progressive without any coercion. It would be interesting to me to hear from homosexuals in your area from that era to see if they felt the same way about the experience that you do.

In all honesty, I applaud you for being so progressive and having a gay friend in high school in an area that you describe as "redneck country". I too was friendly with gay people in school however that did not prevent me from using language amongst my non-gay friends that was wrong and unacceptable. All I can do is learn from my mistakes, teach my kids differently, and vote for politicians that support equal rights for everybody.

(07-19-2019 11:03 AM)illiniowl Wrote:  Does the admonition for sensitivity you are proposing also apply to those who cry "racist!" at people who, at bottom, just simply have a political dispute with a person who happens to be a POC? I mean, you did say that what crowds do can be misconstrued, did you not? Isn't that's what's going on here -- the casting of simple political opposition to progressive views as racist? And has been going on in some form or fashion for decades now?

(07-19-2019 11:03 AM)illiniowl Wrote:  No sane person would dispute that if Ilhan Omar had a miraculous conversion experience, like Paul on the road to Damascus, and suddenly started espousing conservative views, she'd be adored at the same rallies where she is now excoriated. Ergo, the opposition to her isn't racist.

(07-20-2019 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 09:28 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 04:02 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 02:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 01:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  As for the head of HR, he has to live in the world your guys created, where a racial slur is firing grounds. Didn't use to be. You guys changed the world. I am sure you are proud, Cowboy. I mean, Dude. I mean, whatever is OK with you.

I think it's a net plus, TBH. I have concerns over the "cancel culture" in general but I'm just fine with people losing their jobs over using a racial slur.

Back when I was in high school all my friends used the term "gay" in a pejorative fashion. The term "f*g* was thrown around freely as well. Are these the good-old-days that you pine for? I'm ashamed to have taken part in that and I recognize how hurtful that was for certain individuals in our orbit.

I am astounded that you were that way, what, 20-30 years or more after I had a gay friend in high school? How regressive were you? I graduated in 1963.

I'm surprised that you are astounded by that fact. My experience was that this type of behavior was not uncommon. Maybe it was better in 1963? As I said... I am ashamed of it.

Quote:Yeah, Jim was not as comfortable in my country HS full of rednecks as he would be today, but he got by.

I'm glad he got by. Plenty of his people in his situation didn't get through unscathed.

Quote: His "friend" Harlan was one of the more popular guys in school. I guess my country school in 1962-63 was more progressive than your school. And we did it without being coerced.

Clearly your school was more progressive without any coercion. It would be interesting to me to hear from homosexuals in your area from that era to see if they felt the same way about the experience that you do.

In all honesty, I applaud you for being so progressive and having a gay friend in high school in an area that you describe as "redneck country". I too was friendly with gay people in school however that did not prevent me from using language amongst my non-gay friends that was wrong and unacceptable. All I can do is learn from my mistakes, teach my kids differently, and vote for politicians that support equal rights for everybody.

A little update for you. After graduation, Jim and Harlan moved in together. Ten years or so later, Harlan cheated on Jim and Jim committed suicide. Harlan later died of AIDS.

Quote:I wasn’t progressive. I did not not treat Jim as I did out of any political stance. He was mostly ignored in HS. I am sure you had leftist visions of the rednecks beating him up in the halls, because that is the way you guys think. You are pure, the others are evil.

Quote:I went to a small country HS. FFA was the biggest club in school. I say redneck, because that is the best way to communicate with progressives, using the same stereotypes, but cowboy would be a better description. My neighbor was a real redneck - a farmer who worked from before sunrise to after sunset. He still plowed with mules. His neck was very red.

Quote:[quote]

I am just very surprised you thought being nice to a gay kid was something the Democrats invented. I am less surprised you think it praiseworthy.

(07-20-2019 10:47 AM)At Ease Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 11:03 AM)illiniowl Wrote:  No sane person would dispute that if Ilhan Omar had a miraculous conversion experience, like Paul on the road to Damascus, and suddenly started espousing conservative views, she'd be adored at the same rallies where she is now excoriated. Ergo, the opposition to her isn't racist.

I get that this forum is named after a former poster that didn't believe in evolution and thought Obama was a Kenyan Muslim that had no birth-right for his Presidency, and that the bar isn't very high here. But still.. how? How could you actually believe that?

(07-20-2019 11:13 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

Quote:

(07-20-2019 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 09:28 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 04:02 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  [quote='Rice93' pid='16200797' dateline='1563477309']

I think it's a net plus, TBH. I have concerns over the "cancel culture" in general but I'm just fine with people losing their jobs over using a racial slur.

Back when I was in high school all my friends used the term "gay" in a pejorative fashion. The term "f*g* was thrown around freely as well. Are these the good-old-days that you pine for? I'm ashamed to have taken part in that and I recognize how hurtful that was for certain individuals in our orbit.

I am astounded that you were that way, what, 20-30 years or more after I had a gay friend in high school? How regressive were you? I graduated in 1963.

I'm surprised that you are astounded by that fact. My experience was that this type of behavior was not uncommon. Maybe it was better in 1963? As I said... I am ashamed of it.

Quote:Yeah, Jim was not as comfortable in my country HS full of rednecks as he would be today, but he got by.

I'm glad he got by. Plenty of his people in his situation didn't get through unscathed.

Quote: His "friend" Harlan was one of the more popular guys in school. I guess my country school in 1962-63 was more progressive than your school. And we did it without being coerced.

Clearly your school was more progressive without any coercion. It would be interesting to me to hear from homosexuals in your area from that era to see if they felt the same way about the experience that you do.

In all honesty, I applaud you for being so progressive and having a gay friend in high school in an area that you describe as "redneck country". I too was friendly with gay people in school however that did not prevent me from using language amongst my non-gay friends that was wrong and unacceptable. All I can do is learn from my mistakes, teach my kids differently, and vote for politicians that support equal rights for everybody.

A little update for you. After graduation, Jim and Harlan moved in together. Ten years or so later, Harlan cheated on Jim and Jim committed suicide. Harlan later died of AIDS.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Quote:I wasn’t progressive. I did not not treat Jim as I did out of any political stance. He was mostly ignored in HS. I am sure you had leftist visions of the rednecks beating him up in the halls, because that is the way you guys think. You are pure, the others are evil.

You are a big fan of telling me what I think. If you want to know the truth, I think that neither side is pure.

Quote:I went to a small country HS. FFA was the biggest club in school. I say redneck, because that is the best way to communicate with progressives, using the same stereotypes, but cowboy would be a better description. My neighbor was a real redneck - a farmer who worked from before sunrise to after sunset. He still plowed with mules. His neck was very red.

I know what you mean by cowboy. You would probably say that a great percentage of my aunts/uncles/cousins are cowboys. It's sad that you think that a massive swath of people holds congruent attitudes that are completely alien to your experiences and point of view.

Quote:

Quote:I am just very surprised you thought being nice to a gay kid was something the Democrats invented. I am less surprised you think it praiseworthy.

OK.... when did I imply that Democrats invented that? I think you're talking to your SJW straw man yet again. Can we give your straw man a name so you can refer to him directly?

I'm surprised that the gay experience at your high school in 1963 was so positive. Not because there might have been a bunch of politically conservative families in your area, but because it was 1963. I would guess that most gay people that you talk to would say that things were tougher in 1963 than they were in 1989. And that things were tougher in 1989 than they are in 2019. I hope things are tougher for gay people today than they will be in 2039.

Quote:PC is like Jonestown on a civilizational scale. There's enormous social pressure to drink tne Kool Aid. Future archaeologists will be unable to explain what they find.

(07-20-2019 11:13 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

Quote:

(07-20-2019 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 09:28 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 04:02 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  [quote='Rice93' pid='16200797' dateline='1563477309']

I think it's a net plus, TBH. I have concerns over the "cancel culture" in general but I'm just fine with people losing their jobs over using a racial slur.

Back when I was in high school all my friends used the term "gay" in a pejorative fashion. The term "f*g* was thrown around freely as well. Are these the good-old-days that you pine for? I'm ashamed to have taken part in that and I recognize how hurtful that was for certain individuals in our orbit.

I am astounded that you were that way, what, 20-30 years or more after I had a gay friend in high school? How regressive were you? I graduated in 1963.

I'm surprised that you are astounded by that fact. My experience was that this type of behavior was not uncommon. Maybe it was better in 1963? As I said... I am ashamed of it.

Quote:Yeah, Jim was not as comfortable in my country HS full of rednecks as he would be today, but he got by.

I'm glad he got by. Plenty of his people in his situation didn't get through unscathed.

Quote: His "friend" Harlan was one of the more popular guys in school. I guess my country school in 1962-63 was more progressive than your school. And we did it without being coerced.

Clearly your school was more progressive without any coercion. It would be interesting to me to hear from homosexuals in your area from that era to see if they felt the same way about the experience that you do.

In all honesty, I applaud you for being so progressive and having a gay friend in high school in an area that you describe as "redneck country". I too was friendly with gay people in school however that did not prevent me from using language amongst my non-gay friends that was wrong and unacceptable. All I can do is learn from my mistakes, teach my kids differently, and vote for politicians that support equal rights for everybody.

A little update for you. After graduation, Jim and Harlan moved in together. Ten years or so later, Harlan cheated on Jim and Jim committed suicide. Harlan later died of AIDS.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Quote:I wasn’t progressive. I did not not treat Jim as I did out of any political stance. He was mostly ignored in HS. I am sure you had leftist visions of the rednecks beating him up in the halls, because that is the way you guys think. You are pure, the others are evil.

You are a big fan of telling me what I think. If you want to know the truth, I think that neither side is pure.

Quote:I went to a small country HS. FFA was the biggest club in school. I say redneck, because that is the best way to communicate with progressives, using the same stereotypes, but cowboy would be a better description. My neighbor was a real redneck - a farmer who worked from before sunrise to after sunset. He still plowed with mules. His neck was very red.

I know what you mean by cowboy. You would probably say that a great percentage of my aunts/uncles/cousins are cowboys. It's sad that you think that a massive swath of people holds congruent attitudes that are completely alien to your experiences and point of view.

Quote:

Quote:I am just very surprised you thought being nice to a gay kid was something the Democrats invented. I am less surprised you think it praiseworthy.

OK.... when did I imply that Democrats invented that? I think you're talking to your SJW straw man yet again. Can we give your straw man a name so you can refer to him directly?

(07-20-2019 11:34 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 11:13 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

Quote:

(07-20-2019 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 09:28 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I am astounded that you were that way, what, 20-30 years or more after I had a gay friend in high school? How regressive were you? I graduated in 1963.

I'm surprised that you are astounded by that fact. My experience was that this type of behavior was not uncommon. Maybe it was better in 1963? As I said... I am ashamed of it.

Quote:Yeah, Jim was not as comfortable in my country HS full of rednecks as he would be today, but he got by.

I'm glad he got by. Plenty of his people in his situation didn't get through unscathed.

Quote: His "friend" Harlan was one of the more popular guys in school. I guess my country school in 1962-63 was more progressive than your school. And we did it without being coerced.

Clearly your school was more progressive without any coercion. It would be interesting to me to hear from homosexuals in your area from that era to see if they felt the same way about the experience that you do.

In all honesty, I applaud you for being so progressive and having a gay friend in high school in an area that you describe as "redneck country". I too was friendly with gay people in school however that did not prevent me from using language amongst my non-gay friends that was wrong and unacceptable. All I can do is learn from my mistakes, teach my kids differently, and vote for politicians that support equal rights for everybody.

A little update for you. After graduation, Jim and Harlan moved in together. Ten years or so later, Harlan cheated on Jim and Jim committed suicide. Harlan later died of AIDS.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Quote:I wasn’t progressive. I did not not treat Jim as I did out of any political stance. He was mostly ignored in HS. I am sure you had leftist visions of the rednecks beating him up in the halls, because that is the way you guys think. You are pure, the others are evil.

You are a big fan of telling me what I think. If you want to know the truth, I think that neither side is pure.

Quote:I went to a small country HS. FFA was the biggest club in school. I say redneck, because that is the best way to communicate with progressives, using the same stereotypes, but cowboy would be a better description. My neighbor was a real redneck - a farmer who worked from before sunrise to after sunset. He still plowed with mules. His neck was very red.

I know what you mean by cowboy. You would probably say that a great percentage of my aunts/uncles/cousins are cowboys. It's sad that you think that a massive swath of people holds congruent attitudes that are completely alien to your experiences and point of view.

Quote:

Quote:I am just very surprised you thought being nice to a gay kid was something the Democrats invented. I am less surprised you think it praiseworthy.

OK.... when did I imply that Democrats invented that? I think you're talking to your SJW straw man yet again. Can we give your straw man a name so you can refer to him directly?

I'm surprised that the gay experience at your high school in 1963 was so positive. Not because there might have been a bunch of politically conservative families in your area, but because it was 1963. I would guess that most gay people that you talk to would say that things were tougher in 1963 than they were in 1989. And that things were tougher in 1989 than they are in 2019. I hope things are tougher for gay people today than they will be in 2039.

Did you grow up urban, suburban, or rural 93?

I think there is a major difference between the former two and the latter, 93. And, at least in Texas and the Southwest, it may not be in a way that I think that you and lad would expect.

Caring and fostering? Nope.

More laissez fair? My guess would be that.

We know that lad is colored by his suburban (apparently) upbringing and those bad experiences that he endured at his high school. How about you?

(07-20-2019 11:41 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 11:13 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

Quote:[quote='OptimisticOwl' pid='16203133' dateline='1563633964']
[quote='Rice93' pid='16203117' dateline='1563632891']

I am astounded that you were that way, what, 20-30 years or more after I had a gay friend in high school? How regressive were you? I graduated in 1963.

I'm surprised that you are astounded by that fact. My experience was that this type of behavior was not uncommon. Maybe it was better in 1963? As I said... I am ashamed of it.

Quote:Yeah, Jim was not as comfortable in my country HS full of rednecks as he would be today, but he got by.

I'm glad he got by. Plenty of his people in his situation didn't get through unscathed.

Quote: His "friend" Harlan was one of the more popular guys in school. I guess my country school in 1962-63 was more progressive than your school. And we did it without being coerced.

Clearly your school was more progressive without any coercion. It would be interesting to me to hear from homosexuals in your area from that era to see if they felt the same way about the experience that you do.

In all honesty, I applaud you for being so progressive and having a gay friend in high school in an area that you describe as "redneck country". I too was friendly with gay people in school however that did not prevent me from using language amongst my non-gay friends that was wrong and unacceptable. All I can do is learn from my mistakes, teach my kids differently, and vote for politicians that support equal rights for everybody.

A little update for you. After graduation, Jim and Harlan moved in together. Ten years or so later, Harlan cheated on Jim and Jim committed suicide. Harlan later died of AIDS.

Quote:I wasn’t progressive. I did not not treat Jim as I did out of any political stance. He was mostly ignored in HS. I am sure you had leftist visions of the rednecks beating him up in the halls, because that is the way you guys think. You are pure, the others are evil.

Quote:I went to a small country HS. FFA was the biggest club in school. I say redneck, because that is the best way to communicate with progressives, using the same stereotypes, but cowboy would be a better description. My neighbor was a real redneck - a farmer who worked from before sunrise to after sunset. He still plowed with mules. His neck was very red.

Quote:

Quote:I am just very surprised you thought being nice to a gay kid was something the Democrats invented. I am less surprised you think it praiseworthy.

OK.... when did I imply that Democrats invented that? I think you're talking to your SJW straw man yet again. Can we give your straw man a name so you can refer to him directly?

Quote: thingy...... third one I have had to correct in response in two days, two of them today.

Found it: 93 left a hanging [quote] in his fisking there.

(07-20-2019 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 09:08 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Watching ABC this morning. I have two two distortions of fact already, both about (surprise!). Trump

He told the four Congresswomen to go back to the countries from where they came from.

The other was the timeworn “He called Mexicans rapists”.

I thought new organizations were supposed to stick to the facts.

I guess this will continue as long as the left continues to tacitly approve the inaccuracies with their silence.

You bolded “to the countries.” Why is that?

(07-20-2019 12:34 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 09:08 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Watching ABC this morning. I have two two distortions of fact already, both about (surprise!). Trump

He told the four Congresswomen to go back to the countries from where they came from.

The other was the timeworn “He called Mexicans rapists”.

I thought new organizations were supposed to stick to the facts.

I guess this will continue as long as the left continues to tacitly approve the inaccuracies with their silence.

You bolded “to the countries.” Why is that?

Because Trump did not say "to the countries"
and ABC is quoting that he did. To the countries is an interpretation. ABC presents it as fact.

(07-20-2019 12:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  My high school, while not the only one in the country, was the largest, and the only one with more than 100 students.

My class of 1963 had 122 grads. (about 55-60 left) Baby Boom started with the class of 1965.

I never saw any reason think it was different from similarly sized high schools in Wyoming and Florida. I was sure it was different from the giant urban schools, but primarily in the areas of what was offered and how many people you knew. I knew everybody. Everybody knew me. We didn't always get along. And there were plenty of fights.

I don't think it was remarkable that Jim could get along. I got along with a lot of people. It still astounds me that you guys think this is remarkable.

One addition to the narrative. We had a guy there named Harry. At the 20th reunion he was named Veronica.

(07-20-2019 12:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 11:41 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Your comment with approval on 'how progressive' the situation was for OO seems to indicate a belief that that view is only promulgated by...... drum roll........ uhhhh..... progressives. Perhaps it is also endemic to libertarian leaning areas as well, for a starter.

Edited to add:
Geez louise people learn the thingy...... third one I have had to correct in response in two days, two of them today.

Found it: 93 left a hanging in his fisking there.

If only there were a poster on this thread who recently smugly and condescendingly went to great lengths to point out that a single word can used in multiple ways. Certainly he would understand my use of the term “progressive” here.

*sigh*

Here I used the term progressive to signify “ahead of its time”.

(07-20-2019 12:07 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 11:34 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 11:13 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

Quote:

(07-20-2019 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I'm surprised that you are astounded by that fact. My experience was that this type of behavior was not uncommon. Maybe it was better in 1963? As I said... I am ashamed of it.


I'm glad he got by. Plenty of his people in his situation didn't get through unscathed.


Clearly your school was more progressive without any coercion. It would be interesting to me to hear from homosexuals in your area from that era to see if they felt the same way about the experience that you do.

In all honesty, I applaud you for being so progressive and having a gay friend in high school in an area that you describe as "redneck country". I too was friendly with gay people in school however that did not prevent me from using language amongst my non-gay friends that was wrong and unacceptable. All I can do is learn from my mistakes, teach my kids differently, and vote for politicians that support equal rights for everybody.

A little update for you. After graduation, Jim and Harlan moved in together. Ten years or so later, Harlan cheated on Jim and Jim committed suicide. Harlan later died of AIDS.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Quote:I wasn’t progressive. I did not not treat Jim as I did out of any political stance. He was mostly ignored in HS. I am sure you had leftist visions of the rednecks beating him up in the halls, because that is the way you guys think. You are pure, the others are evil.

You are a big fan of telling me what I think. If you want to know the truth, I think that neither side is pure.

Quote:I went to a small country HS. FFA was the biggest club in school. I say redneck, because that is the best way to communicate with progressives, using the same stereotypes, but cowboy would be a better description. My neighbor was a real redneck - a farmer who worked from before sunrise to after sunset. He still plowed with mules. His neck was very red.

I know what you mean by cowboy. You would probably say that a great percentage of my aunts/uncles/cousins are cowboys. It's sad that you think that a massive swath of people holds congruent attitudes that are completely alien to your experiences and point of view.

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Quote:I am just very surprised you thought being nice to a gay kid was something the Democrats invented. I am less surprised you think it praiseworthy.

OK.... when did I imply that Democrats invented that? I think you're talking to your SJW straw man yet again. Can we give your straw man a name so you can refer to him directly?

I'm surprised that the gay experience at your high school in 1963 was so positive. Not because there might have been a bunch of politically conservative families in your area, but because it was 1963. I would guess that most gay people that you talk to would say that things were tougher in 1963 than they were in 1989. And that things were tougher in 1989 than they are in 2019. I hope things are tougher for gay people today than they will be in 2039.

Did you grow up urban, suburban, or rural 93?

I think there is a major difference between the former two and the latter, 93. And, at least in Texas and the Southwest, it may not be in a way that I think that you and lad would expect.

Caring and fostering? Nope.

More laissez fair? My guess would be that.

We know that lad is colored by his suburban (apparently) upbringing and those bad experiences that he endured at his high school. How about you?

I grew up in a weird part of Florida - not traditionally suburban, as we were quite far from the closest urban area. But there was also some significant rural aspects - I lived at least 20 minutes from the nearest commercial building, and I could easily get to ranch land, orange groves, etc. within 20 minutes. Definitely wasn’t urban.

I ended up going to a high school that pulled from the entire county and was academically focused and pretty straight laced - somehow I never witnessed a single fight from 7th to 12th grade. It was composed of all kinds of people, from the super wealthy who didn’t want to pay to send their kids to private school, to people who lived below the poverty line. Was a really great amalgam of the entire, rather large, county. I also grew up hunting and spending time in Kansas, which included spending a good part of many summers in southeast Kansas.

So if you wanted to concentrate how my experience was influenced down to “suburban” as compared to rural or urban, I would say you were right. But it is a bit more complicated.