(07-02-2019 01:36 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 12:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Art Del Cueto

This guy was just on TV. He said he estimates the people posting the offensive posts number about 20, and cautions that not everybody posting there is in the BP.

When that video becomes available I will post it.

Hopefully the Facebook group and the posts will be made public so that light is shed on this situation. I had no illusions that all members of the group were border agents. I wouldn't be surprised if less than half of the members are.

(07-02-2019 01:28 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 12:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 12:14 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 12:00 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Anything that the Trump administration does, utters, or breathes is bathed in racism. Trust me '93, it is painfully obvious that that is your take on it.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion based on my posts on the topic of this Propublica article. I would ask you to walk me through it but I have a feeling that you are ready to throw that accusation at all leftists.

I will certainly give any self-admitted progressive the opportunity to show that that isnt their subjective default stance.

So here is the walk through, you know, the one you asked for *before* your all inclusive and all seemingly knowing end statement:

Based upon your calling out first of the 'far right' for their terrible rhetoric, then when pressed for specifics on such 'terrible rhetoric' your reply was "Google Stephen Miller trump administration", that is a small clue as to your stance.

And in that vein I sent two links. Could you point out the specific horrific rhetoric in those links I found through Google, as you requested? I mean, this rhetoric obviously rises to the level of your potential justification in using language that, while not explicitly calling an organization Nazis, so heavily alludes to it to be equivalent.

I truly look forward to some examples of rhetoric that rise to that level from the conservative ranks.

Am I incorrect and your viewpoint is that the Trump administration is not awash in racism? If so, I will take your word on it. And, I have actually met one progressive who thinks in that manner, so I am aware that that (pretty microscopic) subset exists, notwithstanding your statement above.

I'm at work... I'll do some research on Stephen Miller/Trump administration rhetoric later. Sounds like you think that Miller is simply following the laws on the books. No issue with him, then? Happy with the direction that he would like to lead the administration?

I personally don't think the Trump administration is awash in racism. I think Trump has tapped into the Nationalistic tendencies that have emerged worldwide and this has served him well politically.

(07-02-2019 02:58 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 01:36 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 12:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Art Del Cueto

This guy was just on TV. He said he estimates the people posting the offensive posts number about 20, and cautions that not everybody posting there is in the BP.

When that video becomes available I will post it.

Hopefully the Facebook group and the posts will be made public so that light is shed on this situation. I had no illusions that all members of the group were border agents. I wouldn't be surprised if less than half of the members are.

So, for all your concerns that these posts indicated how the the 20K members of the BP treated illegals, we don't know at this point if ANY of the offensive posts were from BP agents.

(07-02-2019 03:58 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am still wondering if he wants open borders or not.

(07-02-2019 04:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 02:58 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 01:36 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 12:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Art Del Cueto

This guy was just on TV. He said he estimates the people posting the offensive posts number about 20, and cautions that not everybody posting there is in the BP.

When that video becomes available I will post it.

Hopefully the Facebook group and the posts will be made public so that light is shed on this situation. I had no illusions that all members of the group were border agents. I wouldn't be surprised if less than half of the members are.

So, for all your concerns that these posts indicated how the the 20K members of the BP treated illegals, we don't know at this point if ANY of the offensive posts were from BP agents.

Heck, lets assume all of the members are BP, and all of the members made bad comments. Aside from showing them being crass, venal, and disgusting --- does this indicate that they are truly for and actually commit acts, legal or illegal, against their charges? Or are we making a new standard that one not only has to perform their legal duty, but one is prohibited from making crass remarks in the slightest?

If this is the case, we need to fire about 90 per cent of the entire nation's police force, about 95 per cent of all ambulance personnel, and about 300 per cent of public defenders with those new moral directives. Just saying.

I just realized I have a nurse neighbor that makes jokes at parties about her role in death. I guess if we extend the tautology in this segment of the thread of 'bad statements on FB == illegally mistreating illegal immigrants', I should never go to the operating room my neighbor plays a role in.

(07-02-2019 03:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  For the third time:

Here is the root important question 93: is actually asking that a law be actually enforced, instead of ignored, callous rhetoric in your view?

(07-02-2019 04:20 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 03:58 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am still wondering if he wants open borders or not.

Sorry. Not avoiding. Just very busy. Quickly, I am not for open borders. I think we need to have immigration laws that make sense and enforce those laws. Even with no changes to the current immigration laws, we certainly need to pour more resources into processing people who are rounded up at the border. We need to be able to more quickly determine who has a reasonable claim for asylum. I would send those back that have not met our standards for asylum.

We need to treat people rounded up at the border with dignity and provide them safe conditions. We should treat children caught up in this mess as if they were our own children. We should not use the poor treatment of children as a deterrent to further immigrants.

(07-02-2019 04:46 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  Hi everyone

Just getting up to speed here in the Quad

Looking forward to getting all my political opinions out before thanksgiving. I got sent to the backyard before dessert last year and auntie beth said 2019 will be my last chance to shape up

(07-02-2019 04:49 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 04:46 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  Hi everyone

Just getting up to speed here in the Quad

Looking forward to getting all my political opinions out before thanksgiving. I got sent to the backyard before dessert last year and auntie beth said 2019 will be my last chance to shape up

Welcome!

(07-02-2019 04:46 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  Hi everyone

Just getting up to speed here in the Quad

Looking forward to getting all my political opinions out before thanksgiving. I got sent to the backyard before dessert last year and auntie beth said 2019 will be my last chance to shape up

(07-02-2019 04:24 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 04:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 02:58 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 01:36 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 12:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Art Del Cueto

This guy was just on TV. He said he estimates the people posting the offensive posts number about 20, and cautions that not everybody posting there is in the BP.

When that video becomes available I will post it.

Hopefully the Facebook group and the posts will be made public so that light is shed on this situation. I had no illusions that all members of the group were border agents. I wouldn't be surprised if less than half of the members are.

So, for all your concerns that these posts indicated how the the 20K members of the BP treated illegals, we don't know at this point if ANY of the offensive posts were from BP agents.

Heck, lets assume all of the members are BP, and all of the members made bad comments. Aside from showing them being crass, venal, and disgusting --- does this indicate that they are truly for and actually commit acts, legal or illegal, against their charges? Or are we making a new standard that one not only has to perform their legal duty, but one is prohibited from making crass remarks in the slightest?

If this is the case, we need to fire about 90 per cent of the entire nation's police force, about 95 per cent of all ambulance personnel, and about 300 per cent of public defenders with those new moral directives. Just saying.

I just realized I have a nurse neighbor that makes jokes at parties about her role in death. I guess if we extend the tautology in this segment of the thread of 'bad statements on FB == illegally mistreating illegal immigrants', I should never go to the operating room my neighbor plays a role in.

I posted the original link with a comment to the effect of “This is awful.”

I don’t remember calling for any border agents to be fired.

I still think it’s awful.

(07-02-2019 05:04 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 04:24 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 04:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 02:58 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 01:36 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Hopefully the Facebook group and the posts will be made public so that light is shed on this situation. I had no illusions that all members of the group were border agents. I wouldn't be surprised if less than half of the members are.

So, for all your concerns that these posts indicated how the the 20K members of the BP treated illegals, we don't know at this point if ANY of the offensive posts were from BP agents.

Heck, lets assume all of the members are BP, and all of the members made bad comments. Aside from showing them being crass, venal, and disgusting --- does this indicate that they are truly for and actually commit acts, legal or illegal, against their charges? Or are we making a new standard that one not only has to perform their legal duty, but one is prohibited from making crass remarks in the slightest?

If this is the case, we need to fire about 90 per cent of the entire nation's police force, about 95 per cent of all ambulance personnel, and about 300 per cent of public defenders with those new moral directives. Just saying.

I just realized I have a nurse neighbor that makes jokes at parties about her role in death. I guess if we extend the tautology in this segment of the thread of 'bad statements on FB == illegally mistreating illegal immigrants', I should never go to the operating room my neighbor plays a role in.

I posted the original link with a comment to the effect of “This is awful.”

I don’t remember calling for any border agents to be fired.

I still think it’s awful.

No doubt some of the posts there are awful.

And to be honest, I bootstrapped your question on 'whether firing could be legal as a result of the post' as an indication that that might be an option you consider as viable.

My apologies for extending that. Hopefully you can understand why I might.

(07-02-2019 04:20 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I think we need to have immigration laws that make sense

(07-02-2019 06:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Andy Ngo, the journalist attacked by Antifa, has brain damage from the assaults.

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Three, but there is plenty more

In an interview, he said the police refused to intervene for fear of inciting the crowds.

Quote: the world has a good reason to be wary of any movement that embraces wearing masks.

(07-02-2019 06:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Andy Ngo, the journalist attacked by Antifa, has brain damage from the assaults.

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Three, but there is plenty more

In an interview, he said the police refused to intervene for fear of inciting the crowds.