(12-07-2018 09:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Thanks for the screenshot.

Am I misidentifying the person whom Myers is talking about (Snipes from Florida)?

And, by the way, would we be in agreement that 'get a rope and tree' has multiple meanings and/or connotations? Or is the term now *only* racist in nature for you?

If racist, is *any* call for 'vigilantism' if directed at a person of (whatever line is being drawn) now a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatnot remark?

Look, I can't defend this guy completely -- he is obviously a knothead.

I can understand the call in the general sense for 'people self-help' when it comes to Snipes --- a person who is obviously unable as fk to perform her public position. So given that term 'get a rope and a tree' means in one sense to express a call for 'people self-help', I dont think the evidence is overwhelming of racism given the 'object' (considering a call for 'people self-help' seems to have a connection to the source of Snipe's role and power.)

I guess we are damn lucky there was no minority evah in the commercial for pace Picante in this day and age.

(12-07-2018 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Thanks for the screenshot.

Am I misidentifying the person whom Myers is talking about (Snipes from Florida)?

And, by the way, would we be in agreement that 'get a rope and tree' has multiple meanings and/or connotations? Or is the term now *only* racist in nature for you?

If racist, is *any* call for 'vigilantism' if directed at a person of (whatever line is being drawn) now a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatnot remark?

Look, I can't defend this guy completely -- he is obviously a knothead.

I can understand the call in the general sense for 'people self-help' when it comes to Snipes --- a person who is obviously unable as fk to perform her public position. So given that term 'get a rope and a tree' means in one sense to express a call for 'people self-help', I dont think the evidence is overwhelming of racism given the 'object' (considering a call for 'people self-help' seems to have a connection to the source of Snipe's role and power.)

I guess we are damn lucky there was no minority evah in the commercial for pace Picante in this day and age.

I knew there'd be an argument that alluding to lynching a black person wasn't racist for some reason...

That type of choice phrasing is the same as if someone had suggested that an oven or gas be used to kill someone who was Jewish. Or do you think racists just make comments like that to Jewish people by accident?

Quote:No, calling for vigilantism is not in and of itself racist. But when doing so, if you select a method that was historically used to terrorize a specific race, it's racist. There's no way someone his age doesn't know that black people were terrorized via lynchings with ropes and trees in this country - they happened during his life time.

(12-07-2018 10:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Thanks for the screenshot.

Am I misidentifying the person whom Myers is talking about (Snipes from Florida)?

And, by the way, would we be in agreement that 'get a rope and tree' has multiple meanings and/or connotations? Or is the term now *only* racist in nature for you?

If racist, is *any* call for 'vigilantism' if directed at a person of (whatever line is being drawn) now a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatnot remark?

Look, I can't defend this guy completely -- he is obviously a knothead.

I can understand the call in the general sense for 'people self-help' when it comes to Snipes --- a person who is obviously unable as fk to perform her public position. So given that term 'get a rope and a tree' means in one sense to express a call for 'people self-help', I dont think the evidence is overwhelming of racism given the 'object' (considering a call for 'people self-help' seems to have a connection to the source of Snipe's role and power.)

I guess we are damn lucky there was no minority evah in the commercial for pace Picante in this day and age.

I knew there'd be an argument that alluding to lynching a black person wasn't racist for some reason...

That type of choice phrasing is the same as if someone had suggested that an oven or gas be used to kill someone who was Jewish. Or do you think racists just make comments like that to Jewish people by accident?

And that choice of terminology has exactly one point. Rope and tree has multiple. Especially in Texas.

Quote:No, calling for vigilantism is not in and of itself racist. But when doing so, if you select a method that was historically used to terrorize a specific race, it's racist. There's no way someone his age doesn't know that black people were terrorized via lynchings with ropes and trees in this country - they happened during his life time.

Are you aware what happened to cattle rustlers in the West in the 1880's, Lad? Or do you fundamentally and absolutely discount that for all time? Hint: it involved ropes and trees. Or are you simply unaware of that very historical fact? Or do you choose to ignore that? Hate to tell you but most Texans are deeply aware that the 'rope and tree' is *also* a reference to vigilantism as a whole.

So much that it was the punchline to fing salsa commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2AyjVrrck

But choose whatever blinders you want to wear for the day Lad.....

(12-07-2018 10:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Thanks for the screenshot.

Am I misidentifying the person whom Myers is talking about (Snipes from Florida)?

And, by the way, would we be in agreement that 'get a rope and tree' has multiple meanings and/or connotations? Or is the term now *only* racist in nature for you?

If racist, is *any* call for 'vigilantism' if directed at a person of (whatever line is being drawn) now a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatnot remark?

Look, I can't defend this guy completely -- he is obviously a knothead.

I can understand the call in the general sense for 'people self-help' when it comes to Snipes --- a person who is obviously unable as fk to perform her public position. So given that term 'get a rope and a tree' means in one sense to express a call for 'people self-help', I dont think the evidence is overwhelming of racism given the 'object' (considering a call for 'people self-help' seems to have a connection to the source of Snipe's role and power.)

I guess we are damn lucky there was no minority evah in the commercial for pace Picante in this day and age.

I knew there'd be an argument that alluding to lynching a black person wasn't racist for some reason...

That type of choice phrasing is the same as if someone had suggested that an oven or gas be used to kill someone who was Jewish. Or do you think racists just make comments like that to Jewish people by accident?

And that choice of terminology has exactly one point. Rope and tree has multiple. Especially in Texas.

Quote:No, calling for vigilantism is not in and of itself racist. But when doing so, if you select a method that was historically used to terrorize a specific race, it's racist. There's no way someone his age doesn't know that black people were terrorized via lynchings with ropes and trees in this country - they happened during his life time.

Are you aware what happened to cattle rustlers in the West in the 1880's, Lad? Or do you fundamentally and absolutely discount that for all time? Hint: it involved ropes and trees. Or are you simply unaware of that very historical fact? Or do you choose to ignore that? Hate to tell you but most Texans are deeply aware that the 'rope and tree' is *also* a reference to vigilantism as a whole.

So much that it was the punchline to fing salsa commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2AyjVrrck

But choose whatever blinders you want to wear for the day Lad.....

You're missing the point. It's not that using the "rope and tree" term is racist in and of itself. It's using it when reference a black person that it 100% is. Same thing as I mentioned with phrases reference ovens/gas with Jewish people.

I'm not wearing blinders. I'm just not as willing to live in Tanq world where one blithely ignores the very obvious context of the words that were used.

Ironically, you posted a perfect example of how context of how the phrase is used (a bunch of literal cowboys talking to each other) makes the phrase have 0 racist undertones.

(12-07-2018 11:27 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Thanks for the screenshot.

Am I misidentifying the person whom Myers is talking about (Snipes from Florida)?

And, by the way, would we be in agreement that 'get a rope and tree' has multiple meanings and/or connotations? Or is the term now *only* racist in nature for you?

If racist, is *any* call for 'vigilantism' if directed at a person of (whatever line is being drawn) now a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatnot remark?

Look, I can't defend this guy completely -- he is obviously a knothead.

I can understand the call in the general sense for 'people self-help' when it comes to Snipes --- a person who is obviously unable as fk to perform her public position. So given that term 'get a rope and a tree' means in one sense to express a call for 'people self-help', I dont think the evidence is overwhelming of racism given the 'object' (considering a call for 'people self-help' seems to have a connection to the source of Snipe's role and power.)

I guess we are damn lucky there was no minority evah in the commercial for pace Picante in this day and age.

I knew there'd be an argument that alluding to lynching a black person wasn't racist for some reason...

That type of choice phrasing is the same as if someone had suggested that an oven or gas be used to kill someone who was Jewish. Or do you think racists just make comments like that to Jewish people by accident?

And that choice of terminology has exactly one point. Rope and tree has multiple. Especially in Texas.

Quote:No, calling for vigilantism is not in and of itself racist. But when doing so, if you select a method that was historically used to terrorize a specific race, it's racist. There's no way someone his age doesn't know that black people were terrorized via lynchings with ropes and trees in this country - they happened during his life time.

Are you aware what happened to cattle rustlers in the West in the 1880's, Lad? Or do you fundamentally and absolutely discount that for all time? Hint: it involved ropes and trees. Or are you simply unaware of that very historical fact? Or do you choose to ignore that? Hate to tell you but most Texans are deeply aware that the 'rope and tree' is *also* a reference to vigilantism as a whole.

So much that it was the punchline to fing salsa commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2AyjVrrck

But choose whatever blinders you want to wear for the day Lad.....

You're missing the point. It's not that using the "rope and tree" term is racist in and of itself. It's using it when reference a black person that it 100% is. Same thing as I mentioned with phrases reference ovens/gas with Jewish people.

I'm not wearing blinders. I'm just not as willing to live in Tanq world where one blithely ignores the very obvious context of the words that were used.

Ironically, you posted a perfect example of how context of how the phrase is used (a bunch of literal cowboys talking to each other) makes the phrase have 0 racist undertones.

Cute that you use the term 'blithely ignore' when you seemingly completely overlook the full context of Myers' statements when labeling him a racist at the outset.

Tell me, what does the quote "race doesnt mean anything at all' mean to you? Is that the mark of a true white nationalist?

When you tell me that I am 'blithely ignoring' items in this thread, your utter overlooking of the full comments (and very specific ones in the Observer, mind you) seems quite the cute counterpoint to your screech there, does it not?

As for overlooking context, you seem to do a fing awesome job of that as well when you complain so loudly about it.

The guy is a dumb***, and an absolute lout. I guess you dont fing think that he is from Tarrant County, Ft Worth, Cowtown, rustlers are hung, Texas has any bearing on the comment at all. Got it. Zero bearing at all. nada. Zilch. Zero. No chance what so fing ever.

Racism at first glance; in Lad world --- 'Git a rope'.

Kind of proving for all time the mantra that floats for progressives : Don't bother ascribing anything to any other reason when you can ascribe it to racis/sexism/whatever-ism.

As I noted I think the guy is pretty fing stupid, and pretty fing crass. In my book that is not an automatic kneejerk equivalent to racist as it seemingly is for those far more enlightened than my blithely ignorant ass.

(12-07-2018 12:13 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 11:27 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I knew there'd be an argument that alluding to lynching a black person wasn't racist for some reason...

That type of choice phrasing is the same as if someone had suggested that an oven or gas be used to kill someone who was Jewish. Or do you think racists just make comments like that to Jewish people by accident?

And that choice of terminology has exactly one point. Rope and tree has multiple. Especially in Texas.

Quote:No, calling for vigilantism is not in and of itself racist. But when doing so, if you select a method that was historically used to terrorize a specific race, it's racist. There's no way someone his age doesn't know that black people were terrorized via lynchings with ropes and trees in this country - they happened during his life time.

Are you aware what happened to cattle rustlers in the West in the 1880's, Lad? Or do you fundamentally and absolutely discount that for all time? Hint: it involved ropes and trees. Or are you simply unaware of that very historical fact? Or do you choose to ignore that? Hate to tell you but most Texans are deeply aware that the 'rope and tree' is *also* a reference to vigilantism as a whole.

So much that it was the punchline to fing salsa commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2AyjVrrck

But choose whatever blinders you want to wear for the day Lad.....

You're missing the point. It's not that using the "rope and tree" term is racist in and of itself. It's using it when reference a black person that it 100% is. Same thing as I mentioned with phrases reference ovens/gas with Jewish people.

I'm not wearing blinders. I'm just not as willing to live in Tanq world where one blithely ignores the very obvious context of the words that were used.

Ironically, you posted a perfect example of how context of how the phrase is used (a bunch of literal cowboys talking to each other) makes the phrase have 0 racist undertones.

Cute that you use the term 'blithely ignore' when you seemingly completely overlook the full context of Myers' statements when labeling him a racist at the outset.

Tell me, what does the quote "race doesnt mean anything at all' mean to you? Is that the mark of a true white nationalist?

When you tell me that I am 'blithely ignoring' items in this thread, your utter overlooking of the full comments (and very specific ones in the Observer, mind you) seems quite the cute counterpoint to your screech there, does it not?

As for overlooking context, you seem to do a fing awesome job of that as well when you complain so loudly about it.

The guy is a dumb***, and an absolute lout. I guess you dont fing think that he is from Tarrant County, Ft Worth, Cowtown, rustlers are hung, Texas has any bearing on the comment at all. Got it. Zero bearing at all. nada. Zilch. Zero. No chance what so fing ever.

Racism at first glance; in Lad world --- 'Git a rope'.

Kind of proving for all time the mantra that floats for progressives : Don't bother ascribing anything to any other reason when you can ascribe it to racis/sexism/whatever-ism.

As I noted I think the guy is pretty fing stupid, and pretty fing crass. In my book that is not an automatic kneejerk equivalent to racist as it seemingly is for those far more enlightened than my blithely ignorant ass.

If it talks like a duck (White Nationalist), posts on Facebook like a duck (Get a rope of the black woman), then what do you think it is, a cat?

I don't ignore those items you think I do. I give them little credence because he's just saying them to pacify people like you who are more than happy to use these pieces of evidence to help him wipe his hands of a label for what he is. All he did was provide enough evidence for people to go, see, he isn't actually a racist - just insensitive!

If he didn't want to be labeled a racist, he shouldn't have tried to reclaim the word "white nationalist" or post about getting a rope and tree for a black woman.

(12-06-2018 11:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Reading the entirety of the quotes, I think it's more semantic than real. But republicans need to be more aware that there are media types out there just combing social media and any other sources to find unfortunate misstatements that can be used against them.

This is what Newt insisted upon in 1994. The media are going to take things out of context and use them to hurt you, so don't give them the chance. It's like the football coach saying, "Don't give the refs a chance to beat you." So stay on message. When they try to knock you off stride, get right back on message.

This guy should lose his place on the platform committee. Not because he's a racist--he almost certainly is not--but because he's an idiot.

(12-07-2018 01:45 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 11:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Reading the entirety of the quotes, I think it's more semantic than real. But republicans need to be more aware that there are media types out there just combing social media and any other sources to find unfortunate misstatements that can be used against them.

This is what Newt insisted upon in 1994. The media are going to take things out of context and use them to hurt you, so don't give them the chance. It's like the football coach saying, "Don't give the refs a chance to beat you." So stay on message. When they try to knock you off stride, get right back on message.

This guy should lose his place on the platform committee. Not because he's a racist--he almost certainly is not--but because he's an idiot.

He's worse than an idiot. A maroon really.

But some seem to think that ignorant + crass == racist.

Come to think of it, a poster here has labeled be 'blithely ignorant'. And I do say crass things. I guess I am a racist. My psychological problems are solved!!!

Edited to add: I am caucasion, and I am a nationalist. I am accordingly a white nationalist (based on the Observer article's subject, that is). Even more proof!!!

I think OO also said *he* was a white nationalist as well. What fing cesspool we have here......

Proof galore!!!! Quack quack quackity quack according to Lad's thesis. Makes me the foulest. But by making those derogatory comments about ducks, wouldnt *he* be the 'fowl-ist'?

(12-06-2018 11:04 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  So if I say I’m a communist because I support the community, you’d just shrug it off and say it was semantics?

(12-07-2018 08:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  A wall to mark the legal border between the U.S. and Mexico and prevent illegal entry, which U.S. law already prohibits, is … “immoral”.... interesting choice of 'semantics'.
House Speaker to-be On the 'Morality' of marking the border
I will give her the benefit of the doubt of this being a cloddish remark or a 'misstatement', and *not* a complete paean to the concept of open borders that seem to enthrall many on the progressive side, much in line with what I would hope (but dont think) some others might do with other statements.

(12-07-2018 08:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  A wall to mark the legal border between the U.S. and Mexico and prevent illegal entry, which U.S. law already prohibits, is … “immoral”.... interesting choice of 'semantics'.
House Speaker to-be On the 'Morality' of marking the border
I will give her the benefit of the doubt of this being a cloddish remark or a 'misstatement', and *not* a complete paean to the concept of open borders that seem to enthrall many on the progressive side, much in line with what I would hope (but dont think) some others might do with other statements.

I won't give her that benefit. What I see happening is the democrats radicalizing right before our eyes. Center-left is gone.

(12-08-2018 10:08 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  legal challenge to campaign law


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A little-noticed legal showdown in California poses a threat to a law seen as the backbone of special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of 2016 Russian election interference.

(12-08-2018 10:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  A wall to mark the legal border between the U.S. and Mexico and prevent illegal entry, which U.S. law already prohibits, is … “immoral”.... interesting choice of 'semantics'.
House Speaker to-be On the 'Morality' of marking the border
I will give her the benefit of the doubt of this being a cloddish remark or a 'misstatement', and *not* a complete paean to the concept of open borders that seem to enthrall many on the progressive side, much in line with what I would hope (but dont think) some others might do with other statements.

I won't give her that benefit. What I see happening is the democrats radicalizing right before our eyes. Center-left is gone.

Yes, the gulf is widening, and it is doing so under impetus from the Democrats. In a few years Lad may have to reevaluate whether he wants to be far left or left of right center.

(12-08-2018 04:42 PM)ausowl Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 10:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  A wall to mark the legal border between the U.S. and Mexico and prevent illegal entry, which U.S. law already prohibits, is … “immoral”.... interesting choice of 'semantics'.
House Speaker to-be On the 'Morality' of marking the border
I will give her the benefit of the doubt of this being a cloddish remark or a 'misstatement', and *not* a complete paean to the concept of open borders that seem to enthrall many on the progressive side, much in line with what I would hope (but dont think) some others might do with other statements.

I won't give her that benefit. What I see happening is the democrats radicalizing right before our eyes. Center-left is gone.

Yes, the gulf is widening, and it is doing so under impetus from the Democrats. In a few years Lad may have to reevaluate whether he wants to be far left or left of right center.

With many of the 40 new D's in Congress coming from R or R-leaning districts, I wonder if the center-left is disappearing or reemerging? Yes, a 29 year socialist won in NYC and is soaking up a bunch of press . . .
The Congressional R's who survived in their ultra safe districts probably look a lot more like the Freedom Caucus than the Boehner-Ryan wing of the party.
Haven't checked to see if someone has done an ideological matrix of this new House class.