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Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - Machiavelli - 10-11-2016 08:34 AM
Trump laid into Ryan this morning for his disloyalty. He's the perfect Manchurian candidate. You could make the argument he is destroying the GOP from within. I've never seen anything like this. I wasn't old enough to pay attention to the Kennedy Carter mess in 1980 but has anything else come to close to this? The party nominee goes out of his way to blast intra party leaders. It's amazing really.
He's destroying the GOP. What rises from the ashes.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - Machiavelli - 10-11-2016 08:37 AM
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-campaign-republicans-229577
OMG.......
It's on! Read that in it's entirety. WOW
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - fsquid - 10-11-2016 08:41 AM
Ryan is trying to save the majority in the house, he's doing what he's supposed to do.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - TechRocks - 10-11-2016 09:01 AM
(10-11-2016 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Trump laid into Ryan this morning for his disloyalty. He's the perfect Manchurian candidate. You could make the argument he is destroying the GOP from within. I've never seen anything like this. I wasn't old enough to pay attention to the Kennedy Carter mess in 1980 but has anything else come to close to this? The party nominee goes out of his way to blast intra party leaders. It's amazing really.
He's destroying the GOP. What rises from the ashes.
The GOP, such that it is, needs destroying. Most of 'em are merely donk-lites doing what it takes to maintain the inside the beltway empire.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - bullet - 10-11-2016 09:10 AM
(10-11-2016 08:41 AM)fsquid Wrote: Ryan is trying to save the majority in the house, he's doing what he's supposed to do.
And Trump is supposed to be trying to win the presidency. You don't do that by alienating potential supporters and attacking your own side. He keeps forgetting who the enemy is and where the attention should be going, on all of HRC's failures and foibles, not on his own.
He was coming up in the polls because he had remembered that for a while. Republicans were drifting back towards him because HRC was convincing them to vote for Trump instead of Trump convincing them not to vote for Trump. Trump needs to let HRC get attention. She is the best salesman for Trump out there, even better than Ivanka.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - Tom in Lazybrook - 10-11-2016 09:12 AM
(10-11-2016 09:01 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(10-11-2016 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Trump laid into Ryan this morning for his disloyalty. He's the perfect Manchurian candidate. You could make the argument he is destroying the GOP from within. I've never seen anything like this. I wasn't old enough to pay attention to the Kennedy Carter mess in 1980 but has anything else come to close to this? The party nominee goes out of his way to blast intra party leaders. It's amazing really.
He's destroying the GOP. What rises from the ashes.
The GOP, such that it is, needs destroying. Most of 'em are merely donk-lites doing what it takes to maintain the inside the beltway empire.
The Tea Party, the Trumpers, the Breitbarters, and the anti-RINOs remind me of the unhinged leftists of the late 70s and early 80s. The Dems didn't recover for 3 elections until they finally realized that 'better on my issues' wasn't really the biggest enemy of 'perfect on my issues'.
And the Dems still get it. The GOP doesn't. Getting 80% of what you want is better than getting 0% of what you want.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - john01992 - 10-11-2016 09:17 AM
(10-11-2016 08:41 AM)fsquid Wrote: Ryan is trying to save the majority in the house, he's doing what he's supposed to do.
will the conservative die hards see it that way? the GOP spent 10 years trying to convince their base HRC is the devil and that makes it impossible for them to back off of HRC. Trump knows it and the more he bashes HRC the more his base see what Ryan is doing as an act of betrayal.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - TechRocks - 10-11-2016 09:18 AM
(10-11-2016 09:12 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:(10-11-2016 09:01 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(10-11-2016 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Trump laid into Ryan this morning for his disloyalty. He's the perfect Manchurian candidate. You could make the argument he is destroying the GOP from within. I've never seen anything like this. I wasn't old enough to pay attention to the Kennedy Carter mess in 1980 but has anything else come to close to this? The party nominee goes out of his way to blast intra party leaders. It's amazing really.
He's destroying the GOP. What rises from the ashes.
The GOP, such that it is, needs destroying. Most of 'em are merely donk-lites doing what it takes to maintain the inside the beltway empire.
The Tea Party, the Trumpers, the Breitbarters, and the anti-RINOs remind me of the unhinged leftists of the late 70s and early 80s. The Dems didn't recover for 3 elections until they finally realized that 'better on my issues' wasn't really the biggest enemy of 'perfect on my issues'.
And the Dems still get it. The GOP doesn't. Getting 80% of what you want is better than getting 0% of what you want.
Can we just speak honestly here? A true conservative will never again be elected to White House because the country has changed, and significantly so in the last 20 years. The US looks more like Europe with each passing year. You seem fine with that. I'm not.
The GOP I grew up with was the party that represented conservatism and embracing what had made the United States the great country that it once was. It no longer does and should either die or just merge with the donks.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - EverRespect - 10-11-2016 09:19 AM
Paul Ryan orchestrated the attack. He caused himself a lot of problems, whether Trump wins or loses.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - fsquid - 10-11-2016 09:29 AM
(10-11-2016 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:(10-11-2016 08:41 AM)fsquid Wrote: Ryan is trying to save the majority in the house, he's doing what he's supposed to do.
And Trump is supposed to be trying to win the presidency. You don't do that by alienating potential supporters and attacking your own side. He keeps forgetting who the enemy is and where the attention should be going, on all of HRC's failures and foibles, not on his own.
He was coming up in the polls because he had remembered that for a while. Republicans were drifting back towards him because HRC was convincing them to vote for Trump instead of Trump convincing them not to vote for Trump. Trump needs to let HRC get attention. She is the best salesman for Trump out there, even better than Ivanka.
Trump is done barring a wikileaks release that actually shows something game changing. Now is the time to make sure the house stays for the Republicans since I think the Senate is gone.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - JDTulane - 10-11-2016 09:31 AM
I hope Trump starts actively campaigning against Republicans in house races. I would (nearly) die of joy (or will that be death by fried shrimp poboy?)
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - bullet - 10-11-2016 09:32 AM
(10-11-2016 09:18 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(10-11-2016 09:12 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:(10-11-2016 09:01 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(10-11-2016 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Trump laid into Ryan this morning for his disloyalty. He's the perfect Manchurian candidate. You could make the argument he is destroying the GOP from within. I've never seen anything like this. I wasn't old enough to pay attention to the Kennedy Carter mess in 1980 but has anything else come to close to this? The party nominee goes out of his way to blast intra party leaders. It's amazing really.
He's destroying the GOP. What rises from the ashes.
The GOP, such that it is, needs destroying. Most of 'em are merely donk-lites doing what it takes to maintain the inside the beltway empire.
The Tea Party, the Trumpers, the Breitbarters, and the anti-RINOs remind me of the unhinged leftists of the late 70s and early 80s. The Dems didn't recover for 3 elections until they finally realized that 'better on my issues' wasn't really the biggest enemy of 'perfect on my issues'.
And the Dems still get it. The GOP doesn't. Getting 80% of what you want is better than getting 0% of what you want.
Can we just speak honestly here? A true conservative will never again be elected to White House because the country has changed, and significantly so in the last 20 years. The US looks more like Europe with each passing year. You seem fine with that. I'm not.
The GOP I grew up with was the party that represented conservatism and embracing what had made the United States the great country that it once was. It no longer does and should either die or just merge with the donks.
Cruz or Rubio would have won this year.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - bullet - 10-11-2016 09:38 AM
(10-11-2016 09:29 AM)fsquid Wrote:(10-11-2016 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:(10-11-2016 08:41 AM)fsquid Wrote: Ryan is trying to save the majority in the house, he's doing what he's supposed to do.
And Trump is supposed to be trying to win the presidency. You don't do that by alienating potential supporters and attacking your own side. He keeps forgetting who the enemy is and where the attention should be going, on all of HRC's failures and foibles, not on his own.
He was coming up in the polls because he had remembered that for a while. Republicans were drifting back towards him because HRC was convincing them to vote for Trump instead of Trump convincing them not to vote for Trump. Trump needs to let HRC get attention. She is the best salesman for Trump out there, even better than Ivanka.
Trump is done barring a wikileaks release that actually shows something game changing. Now is the time to make sure the house stays for the Republicans since I think the Senate is gone.
Senate is race by race. Republicans could still end up only losing a net of one seat and still having 53. Last I checked RCP had it 47 D, 46 R with 7 tossup.
Trump with discipline could get back in the lead in Florida, Ohio, Nevada and North Carolina, all of which are within margin of error. The problem is that still leaves him with only 266. It was always hard for him to get CO, WI, VA, NH, PA or NM. Maybe Gary Johnson can take NM for him and throw it into the House. The fat lady hasn't sung yet. The Democrats were saying it was over before Labor Day.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - TechRocks - 10-11-2016 09:40 AM
(10-11-2016 09:32 AM)bullet Wrote:(10-11-2016 09:18 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(10-11-2016 09:12 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:(10-11-2016 09:01 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(10-11-2016 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Trump laid into Ryan this morning for his disloyalty. He's the perfect Manchurian candidate. You could make the argument he is destroying the GOP from within. I've never seen anything like this. I wasn't old enough to pay attention to the Kennedy Carter mess in 1980 but has anything else come to close to this? The party nominee goes out of his way to blast intra party leaders. It's amazing really.
He's destroying the GOP. What rises from the ashes.
The GOP, such that it is, needs destroying. Most of 'em are merely donk-lites doing what it takes to maintain the inside the beltway empire.
The Tea Party, the Trumpers, the Breitbarters, and the anti-RINOs remind me of the unhinged leftists of the late 70s and early 80s. The Dems didn't recover for 3 elections until they finally realized that 'better on my issues' wasn't really the biggest enemy of 'perfect on my issues'.
And the Dems still get it. The GOP doesn't. Getting 80% of what you want is better than getting 0% of what you want.
Can we just speak honestly here? A true conservative will never again be elected to White House because the country has changed, and significantly so in the last 20 years. The US looks more like Europe with each passing year. You seem fine with that. I'm not.
The GOP I grew up with was the party that represented conservatism and embracing what had made the United States the great country that it once was. It no longer does and should either die or just merge with the donks.
Cruz or Rubio would have won this year.
Perhaps, but the fact that they couldn't win their own party's nomination casts doubt on the theory.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - Tom in Lazybrook - 10-11-2016 09:47 AM
(10-11-2016 09:32 AM)bullet Wrote:(10-11-2016 09:18 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(10-11-2016 09:12 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:(10-11-2016 09:01 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(10-11-2016 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Trump laid into Ryan this morning for his disloyalty. He's the perfect Manchurian candidate. You could make the argument he is destroying the GOP from within. I've never seen anything like this. I wasn't old enough to pay attention to the Kennedy Carter mess in 1980 but has anything else come to close to this? The party nominee goes out of his way to blast intra party leaders. It's amazing really.
He's destroying the GOP. What rises from the ashes.
The GOP, such that it is, needs destroying. Most of 'em are merely donk-lites doing what it takes to maintain the inside the beltway empire.
The Tea Party, the Trumpers, the Breitbarters, and the anti-RINOs remind me of the unhinged leftists of the late 70s and early 80s. The Dems didn't recover for 3 elections until they finally realized that 'better on my issues' wasn't really the biggest enemy of 'perfect on my issues'.
And the Dems still get it. The GOP doesn't. Getting 80% of what you want is better than getting 0% of what you want.
Can we just speak honestly here? A true conservative will never again be elected to White House because the country has changed, and significantly so in the last 20 years. The US looks more like Europe with each passing year. You seem fine with that. I'm not.
The GOP I grew up with was the party that represented conservatism and embracing what had made the United States the great country that it once was. It no longer does and should either die or just merge with the donks.
Cruz or Rubio would have won this year.
It would have been a vastly different race. Cruz would have done as bad. Rubio would have been tough.
Cruz has an entirely different set of problems. Completely uninspiring, with lots of really controversial policy positions. Highly unpopular even in Texas. HRC vs Cruz would be over policy.
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What makes DJT's campaign so bad....is that the math really doesn't work. You have to get minorities and women. Cruz wouldn't get them either.
And DJT's campaign is going to make the next GOP candidate's job even harder.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - Machiavelli - 10-11-2016 09:59 AM
Rubio from the get go was the only guy I really worried about and the Trumpster made mincemeat out of little Marco.
Actually Christie is the one who put the hit on Marco. Trump just put out the contract.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - bullet - 10-11-2016 10:05 AM
(10-11-2016 09:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Rubio from the get go was the only guy I really worried about and the Trumpster made mincemeat out of little Marco.
Actually Christie is the one who put the hit on Marco. Trump just put out the contract.
Rubio lit himself on fire by copying Trump with the hands bit.
I'm much more confident Cruz would have won than Rubio. Cruz is highly intelligent and would have kept the focus on HRC's failings. But I think Rubio would have mopped up as well. Cruz actually had the best pro-Trump speech at the Republican convention. Its just that Trump's supporters ruined it with their heckling.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - Hood-rich - 10-11-2016 10:12 AM
(10-11-2016 09:12 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:(10-11-2016 09:01 AM)TechRocks Wrote:(10-11-2016 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Trump laid into Ryan this morning for his disloyalty. He's the perfect Manchurian candidate. You could make the argument he is destroying the GOP from within. I've never seen anything like this. I wasn't old enough to pay attention to the Kennedy Carter mess in 1980 but has anything else come to close to this? The party nominee goes out of his way to blast intra party leaders. It's amazing really.
He's destroying the GOP. What rises from the ashes.
The GOP, such that it is, needs destroying. Most of 'em are merely donk-lites doing what it takes to maintain the inside the beltway empire.
The Tea Party, the Trumpers, the Breitbarters, and the anti-RINOs remind me of the unhinged leftists of the late 70s and early 80s. The Dems didn't recover for 3 elections until they finally realized that 'better on my issues' wasn't really the biggest enemy of 'perfect on my issues'.
And the Dems still get it. The GOP doesn't. Getting 80% of what you want is better than getting 0% of what you want.
"Unhinged leftists of the late 70s and early 80s"
That sound like what the Democrat party has become. Fall in line.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - Machiavelli - 10-11-2016 10:13 AM
Cruz would have done worse than Trump. It's actually amazing to me that a subset of the right can't see that. Until you address your failings you won't be able to get past them. Trump's major problem is he has 15-20 years of tape on him that shows him as a misogynist pig. His message is actually somewhat solid. The populist/America first message would win. Cruz would have been labeled as a right wing zealot. That playbook is well written and established. He's a pawn of the social conservatives. He would have been eviscerated. NO WAY IN HELL CRUZ CAN WIN A NATIONAL ELECTION. I hope he does get the nod in 2020. Cruz 20' Spread the word.
RE: Trump: Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call. - firmbizzle - 10-11-2016 10:14 AM
Prepared for war.