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1309 Yards - ucbrownsfan - 09-24-2015 11:49 PM
How do you gain 1309 yards and 72 first downs and go 0-2 in those games.
RE: 1309 Yards - dbernie41 - 09-25-2015 12:24 AM
(09-24-2015 11:49 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote: How do you gain 1309 yards and 72 first downs and go 0-2 in those games.
Turnovers.
RE: 1309 Yards - vabearcat - 09-25-2015 12:25 AM
(09-25-2015 12:24 AM)dbernie41 Wrote:(09-24-2015 11:49 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote: How do you gain 1309 yards and 72 first downs and go 0-2 in those games.
Turnovers.
Yes, and no defense.
RE: 1309 Yards - laser101 - 09-25-2015 01:34 AM
(09-25-2015 12:25 AM)vabearcat Wrote:(09-25-2015 12:24 AM)dbernie41 Wrote:(09-24-2015 11:49 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote: How do you gain 1309 yards and 72 first downs and go 0-2 in those games.
Turnovers.
Yes, and no defense.
Turnovers and stupid penalties cost Cincy victories both games, funny thing is we still had a chance to win despite that.
RE: 1309 Yards - BearcatJerry - 09-25-2015 01:54 AM
(09-24-2015 11:49 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote: How do you gain 1309 yards and 72 first downs and go 0-2 in those games.
Someone needs to ask the Head Coach this in a press conference. I'd be currious to hear how "The Old Riverboat Gambler" would answer it.
I'm pretty sure the answer would involve 76 trombones...
RE: 1309 Yards - bearcatmark - 09-25-2015 09:02 AM
Can people get off Gran's back at the very least at this point? He has built quite an offense in Clifton.
RE: 1309 Yards - OneUChoopsfan - 09-25-2015 09:05 AM
(09-25-2015 09:02 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: Can people get off Gran's back at the very least at this point? He has built quite an offense in Clifton.
You're making sense, Mark. There is no place for that.
RE: 1309 Yards - Marcus - 09-25-2015 09:08 AM
Playing undisciplined football is how. The defense has so many mental busts and breakdowns its unbelievable. And it's not only the turnovers that have been killers but the constant low football IQ penalties. They are lucky to convert 1 out of every 4 Kick or Punt Returns without a flag being thrown. They've had several where multiple flags have been thrown. This is a talented but very undisciplined football team.
RE: 1309 Yards - chatcat - 09-25-2015 09:12 AM
(09-25-2015 01:54 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:(09-24-2015 11:49 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote: How do you gain 1309 yards and 72 first downs and go 0-2 in those games.
Someone needs to ask the Head Coach this in a press conference. I'd be currious to hear how "The Old Riverboat Gambler" would answer it.
I'm pretty sure the answer would involve 76 trombones...
Yeah we got trouble right here in River City and it start with D and it rhymes with dense and it's called defense.
RE: 1309 Yards - Brian_Johnson - 09-25-2015 09:15 AM
(09-25-2015 09:12 AM)chatcat Wrote: Yeah we got trouble right here in River City and it start with D and it rhymes with dense and it's called defense.
Thank you for clarifying Chatcat
Because, the word "dense" also happens to start with "d" and rhyme with "dense" 
RE: 1309 Yards - BigDawg - 09-25-2015 09:21 AM
(09-25-2015 09:08 AM)Marcus Wrote: Playing undisciplined football is how. The defense has so many mental busts and breakdowns its unbelievable. And it's not only the turnovers that have been killers but the constant low football IQ penalties. They are lucky to convert 1 out of every 4 Kick or Punt Returns without a flag being thrown. They've had several where multiple flags have been thrown. This is a talented but very undisciplined football team.
Crazy. Looks like another new DC next season, for like 15 coordinators in 8 years or something.
Special teams is just bad, but I think officials and opponents are assuming penalties. I saw two block in the backs where it looks like the defender had a bad angle and just awkwardly jumped and got the call, even though it looked like our guy wasn't touching him, but got called. So reputation may proceed us. I saw Memphis get away with it at least twice on their end with no call. That being said, we still do stupid crap/penalties on ST way too often.
I understand the youth on defense and do think there is talent there, but my God, how often are we going to get confused and blow assignments. The defense either makes a great play or is toasted. No in between.
Honestly at this point if we are big play or nothing as is, just start blitzing a ton from all different places and make the opponent make a play. Can't be any worse. Don't let them have time to find the missed assignment, make them go quick and force throws. There were quite a few times we had excellent coverage last night, so there are guys capable of it.
RE: 1309 Yards - JPBearcat3 - 09-25-2015 09:22 AM
Gotta admit that Clink has made some nice adjustments at half so far this year. I thought the D looked pretty good in the 3rd quarter and then ran out of gas in the 4th.
Re: RE: 1309 Yards - RealDeal - 09-25-2015 09:35 AM
(09-25-2015 09:22 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: Gotta admit that Clink has made some nice adjustments at half so far this year. I thought the D looked pretty good in the 3rd quarter and then ran out of gas in the 4th.
I didn't get home until the end of the third but I agree about the 4th. They were completely gassed and had not shot to stop them. I told my friend we should go for 2 if we scored at the end.
Just saw the post game quotes where Tuberville said you don't expect to a backup QB to set records against "a quality defense". Is he serious?
RE: 1309 Yards - natibeast21 - 09-25-2015 09:39 AM
It starts with turnovers, then the defense, and finally the run game.
1) Can't win many games being one of the bottom teams in the nation in turnover ratio
2) Can't win games with poor defense. Missed tackles, players being totally out of position, and finally need a few guys to be a true play maker to be a good D
3) Can't win games with a poor run game. The most over looked part of why UC has struggles this year. In our two losses our leading rusher has had 59 yards in tion green vs. Temple and 50 yards in hosey williams vs. memphis. We are totally a one dimensional offense. Having a run game eases so much pressure on the qb and defense. In turn, we would have less turnovers by our qb's and a better defense if we had any sort of a solid run game. This needs to be fixed also no doubt about it. Although our passing offense is great, we score to quick giving the defense no rest or the qb makes some throws he shouldn't have to make because of being in way too many 2nd and 3rd and longs.
Just my take
RE: 1309 Yards - JPBearcat3 - 09-25-2015 09:49 AM
(09-25-2015 09:39 AM)natibeast21 Wrote: It starts with turnovers, then the defense, and finally the run game.
1) Can't win many games being one of the bottom teams in the nation in turnover ratio
2) Can't win games with poor defense. Missed tackles, players being totally out of position, and finally need a few guys to be a true play maker to be a good D
3) Can't win games with a poor run game. The most over looked part of why UC has struggles this year. In our two losses our leading rusher has had 59 yards in tion green vs. Temple and 50 yards in hosey williams vs. memphis. We are totally a one dimensional offense. Having a run game eases so much pressure on the qb and defense. In turn, we would have less turnovers by our qb's and a better defense if we had any sort of a solid run game. This needs to be fixed also no doubt about it. Although our passing offense is great, we score to quick giving the defense no rest or the qb makes some throws he shouldn't have to make because of being in way too many 2nd and 3rd and longs.
Just my take
Agree with the first 2. Not on the same page w/ #3. I've thought the run game has been pretty good this season.
Last night wasn't as great as it has been (132 yards compared to our season average of 235 before last night). Doesn't matter to me if one guy runs for a lot of yardage as long as the team as whole runs the ball.
Plus Memphis was sending so many blitzes in the second half that we had to pick them apart via the pass.
RE: 1309 Yards - Dannyboy - 09-25-2015 09:55 AM
The D is pretty terrible. Again. There's no question it's an issue. If this continues and we finish 6-6 with this talent and schedule, I will absolutely support a coaching change (it won't happen, though......too expensive). But I wait and see. Not much else to do.
RE: 1309 Yards - natibeast21 - 09-25-2015 10:04 AM
(09-25-2015 09:49 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:(09-25-2015 09:39 AM)natibeast21 Wrote: It starts with turnovers, then the defense, and finally the run game.
1) Can't win many games being one of the bottom teams in the nation in turnover ratio
2) Can't win games with poor defense. Missed tackles, players being totally out of position, and finally need a few guys to be a true play maker to be a good D
3) Can't win games with a poor run game. The most over looked part of why UC has struggles this year. In our two losses our leading rusher has had 59 yards in tion green vs. Temple and 50 yards in hosey williams vs. memphis. We are totally a one dimensional offense. Having a run game eases so much pressure on the qb and defense. In turn, we would have less turnovers by our qb's and a better defense if we had any sort of a solid run game. This needs to be fixed also no doubt about it. Although our passing offense is great, we score to quick giving the defense no rest or the qb makes some throws he shouldn't have to make because of being in way too many 2nd and 3rd and longs.
Just my take
Agree with the first 2. Not on the same page w/ #3. I've thought the run game has been pretty good this season.
Last night wasn't as great as it has been (132 yards compared to our season average of 235 before last night). Doesn't matter to me if one guy runs for a lot of yardage as long as the team as whole runs the ball.
Plus Memphis was sending so many blitzes in the second half that we had to pick them apart via the pass.
Maybe not as bad as i am making it out to be. But here is my point taking the memphis game as an example. Also, I am not going to include the quarterbacks or run by chris moore to count.
Hosey Williams 12 carries, 50 yards, long run 14 yards.
Tion Green 12 carries, 41 yards, long run 17 yards.
Taking out the 2 long runs by both players we had 22 carries by our two running backs for a total of 60 yards. Watching the game and looking at it that way, for a large majority of the game our run game was non existent. In the NFL those numbers are understandable. But, in college you will not win many games with those numbers. And even 24 carries for 91 yards is not that good.
RE: 1309 Yards - Racinejake - 09-25-2015 10:16 AM
(09-25-2015 09:02 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: Can people get off Gran's back at the very least at this point? He has built quite an offense in Clifton.
Agree in part. Offense has been great between the 20s. Huge #s for total yards and first downs. Red Zone offense is ranked 107th nationally. A couple more TDs instead of FGs and we could be 4-0 very easily. Maybe not all of that is on Gran but I think everyone in the stadium knows once we get into the red zone, one of our 3 plays will be a QB draw.
RE: 1309 Yards - ucbrownsfan - 09-25-2015 10:27 AM
(09-25-2015 01:34 AM)laser101 Wrote:(09-25-2015 12:25 AM)vabearcat Wrote:(09-25-2015 12:24 AM)dbernie41 Wrote:(09-24-2015 11:49 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote: How do you gain 1309 yards and 72 first downs and go 0-2 in those games.
Turnovers.
Yes, and no defense.
Turnovers and stupid penalties cost Cincy victories both games, funny thing is we still had a chance to win despite that.
1309 yards? and we still had a chance?
RE: 1309 Yards - rath v2.0 - 09-25-2015 10:28 AM
Play calling is more conservative on the opponent's 20 yard line than it is on our own 20 yard line. We tend to give up downs early on runs up the gut once we get into the red zone.