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RE: UMass Football - panama - 08-01-2017 09:29 PM

(08-01-2017 08:08 PM)panite Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 12:29 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Well the football in the A-10 is a little weak, but we are pretty happy with the hoops.....

Moving all of our sports to the MAC was a deal breaker. There is a pretty decent drop off in hoops that would not have sit well with everyone either. Granted our basketball has sucked for quite a while, but that should be over now.


Umass needs to win some games (indy or not) to get some momentum then we can figure out conference stuff. Right now we are an anchor to any conference we could be a part of.

Problem with conference stuff for UMASS is that there are no openings and UMASS shut the door on the MAC. There is no room at the inn and there will be no room at the inn in the foreseeable future. If the AAC loses any schools they will reload from CUSA or the MWC, or with Army and schools from CUSA and the MWC. The other alternative will be to stay at 10 schools with a Championship Game if they lose 2 schools. If CUSA loses 2 schools they stay at 12. IF they lose 1 school they pick up a Sunbelt school or NM St. The Sunbelt stays at 10 schools or picks up NM St or another southern school within their region to get back to 10. The MAC flat out stays at 12 from hereon out. The Eastern / Northeastern exposure bug is done now that Temple burned them and UMASS refused to go all in for all sports. 04-cheers
It's only a problem if UMass could not get games. So no it's not a problem.

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RE: UMass Football - templefootballfan - 08-01-2017 09:52 PM

this is how Umass helps as associate FB member of AAC
since thier sch is conf wide, it will allow 4 schools to avoid FCS game
AAC has 15 wkday games sch a yr, Umass would take 2 of them
6 P/5 schools have been on thier home sch since they move up, right now thier involed with ND & BYU
ESPN is looking to replace 20 FB games vacated by B-10, wether AAC replaces them directly or indirectly
20 games get bumped up, Navy & Umass [including them in TV package] add 12 games,
this allows AAC to hold on to spots they got now,


UMass Football - panama - 08-01-2017 10:02 PM

Or they join the new Eastern Conference

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RE: UMass Football - Eldonabe - 08-02-2017 07:00 AM

Umass' facilities (for football) are atrocious. They did invest in a pretty nice performance center, but it is attached to a big hunk of deteriorating cement that is passed off as a football stadium - there are a lot of High Schools in the country with better football amenities.

The Gillette thing was supposed to be a stop gap. Great place to watch a game but it is a 2 hour drive from Amherst so you lose the students and alienate the locals and even if they get a decent crowd of 15-20K it still looks like an empty cavern. I get why they had to do the Gillette thing, but you have to have Home games at "Home".

It is a great school, and would prop up any conference academically, but they keep spending $10 on something that they need to spend $10,000 on.....


RE: UMass Football - Dr. Isaly von Yinzer - 08-02-2017 07:34 AM

That sounds a lot like what I've heard for my next door neighbor. He and his wife met at UMass, where they both were student-athletes, and they still follow the university pretty closely.

He thinks UMass could develop a decent program and thinks that they could become fierce rivals of UConn. He thinks the American is an ideal fit for that reason.

However, he also thinks the football program is grossly underfunded and that they would need to tear down their current stadium and build a smallish new on campus stadium - 20-25,000 seats.

He also thinks playing in Foxboro destroys the program. It was meant to be something they did for two or three years while they addressed their stadium in Amherst. It was never meant to be a permanent solution.


RE: UMass Football - Steve1981 - 08-02-2017 07:53 AM

From Fansided

Quote:The UMass Minutemen football program is still adjusting to the Division I FBS level, and they won’t be in bowl contention in 2017.

UMass has had their fair share of struggles on the football field since becoming an FBS school. In 2016 they went 2-10 after a 3-9 season in 2015. As an independent, the Minutemen have not been afraid to schedule tough opponents and to go into hostile environments. In that 2015 season, UMass played on the road at Notre Dame. Last season they hit the road for games at Florida and Hawaii. They also took on Boston College and Mississippi State at Gillette Stadium.

This year, UMass will again take on some tough opponents with road games against two powerhouse SEC teams, Tennessee and Mississippi State. Mark Whipple is doing everything right to turn this program around, now they just have to win.

In all likelihood, the Minutemen won’t do very well this season, and they won’t be bowl eligible. However, their commitment to schedule games against these stronger opponents will only help their program grow. UMass is able to recruit better nationwide and the players that they already have will continue to get better. While it’s a slow process right now, eventually the Minutemen are going to become a bowl eligible team every season.

Four wins is realistic, but is also possible to be 2-3 as 3-2 by the end of September.

Quote:2017 Schedule and Predictions

Sat. August 26th v. Hawaii L
Sat. September 2nd @ Coastal Carolina W
Sat. September 9th v. Old Dominion W
Fri. September 15th @ Temple L
Sat. September 23rd @ Tennessee L
Sat. September 30th v. Ohio W
Sat. October 14th @ South Florida L
Sat. October 21st v. Georgia Southern L
Sat. October 28th v. Appalachian State L
Sat. November 4th @ Mississippi State L
Sat. November 11th v. Maine at Fenway Park W
Sat. November 18th @ BYU L

https://chowderandchampions.com/2017/08/01/umass-minutemen-2017-college-football-preview/


RE: UMass Football - Minutemen429 - 08-02-2017 10:05 AM

(08-02-2017 07:34 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  That sounds a lot like what I've heard for my next door neighbor. He and his wife met at UMass, where they both were student-athletes, and they still follow the university pretty closely.

He thinks UMass could develop a decent program and thinks that they could become fierce rivals of UConn. He thinks the American is an ideal fit for that reason.

However, he also thinks the football program is grossly underfunded and that they would need to tear down their current stadium and build a smallish new on campus stadium - 20-25,000 seats.

He also thinks playing in Foxboro destroys the program. It was meant to be something they did for two or three years while they addressed their stadium in Amherst. It was never meant to be a permanent solution.

That pretty much sums it up.


RE: UMass Football - panama - 08-02-2017 10:10 AM

(08-02-2017 10:05 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 07:34 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  That sounds a lot like what I've heard for my next door neighbor. He and his wife met at UMass, where they both were student-athletes, and they still follow the university pretty closely.

He thinks UMass could develop a decent program and thinks that they could become fierce rivals of UConn. He thinks the American is an ideal fit for that reason.

However, he also thinks the football program is grossly underfunded and that they would need to tear down their current stadium and build a smallish new on campus stadium - 20-25,000 seats.

He also thinks playing in Foxboro destroys the program. It was meant to be something they did for two or three years while they addressed their stadium in Amherst. It was never meant to be a permanent solution.

That pretty much sums it up.
It sounds like the Trustees and Administration are not all in. It really comes down to getting the right people in the room and saying, look we need to spend x million dollars to fix this and compete at this level. How do you want to do this?

****finance guys start speaking****

That's basically whet happened with us after the Braves announced they were leaving and our President's phone exploded 5 minutes later.


RE: UMass Football - Eldonabe - 08-02-2017 10:33 AM

They are behind all of this, the problem (historically) is that Umass has always cut corners and half-assed everything going back to the 80's.

The Umass model has been "make money to spend money" rather than "spend money to make money". In recent years that has started to turn around, but the nut they need to cover for a real stadium it still too big as they pay for their past mistakes. They are already super leveraged by bond commitments and almost maxed out in what they are allowed to float (by legislature) at this point. They need a MAJOR contributor(s) to show up at this point.

Our current AD is a smart guy though. So far he has done a pretty good job cleaning up the absolute train wreck that he inherited. He rolled three very overpaid and very under performing head coaches in the last 2 years and now he is focusing on infrastructure. If he can't figure this out, I am not sure anyone can.


RE: UMass Football - Carolina_Low_Country - 08-02-2017 12:02 PM

EASTERN CONFERENCE
NORTH
UMass
Buffalo
Army
James Madison
Liberty
Marshall
ODU
CHAMPIONSHIP GAME: RALEIGH
SOUTH
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
FAU
FIU


RE: UMass Football - panama - 08-02-2017 12:09 PM

(08-02-2017 12:02 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  EASTERN CONFERENCE
NORTH
UMass
Buffalo

James Madison

Marshall
ODU

SOUTH

Charlotte

Georgia State

FAU
FIU

07-coffee3


RE: UMass Football - panama - 08-02-2017 12:10 PM

(08-02-2017 10:33 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  They are behind all of this, the problem (historically) is that Umass has always cut corners and half-assed everything going back to the 80's.

The Umass model has been "make money to spend money" rather than "spend money to make money". In recent years that has started to turn around, but the nut they need to cover for a real stadium it still too big as they pay for their past mistakes. They are already super leveraged by bond commitments and almost maxed out in what they are allowed to float (by legislature) at this point. They need a MAJOR contributor(s) to show up at this point.

Our current AD is a smart guy though. So far he has done a pretty good job cleaning up the absolute train wreck that he inherited. He rolled three very overpaid and very under performing head coaches in the last 2 years and now he is focusing on infrastructure. If he can't figure this out, I am not sure anyone can.

Still...without top level support...


RE: UMass Football - Steve1981 - 08-02-2017 12:44 PM

panama, our athletic budget has increased from 25M in 2010 to 42M in 2016.

Now that we are finally playing most games on campus, McGuirk will be upgraded. But all the locals pissed off by moving to Gillette and a poor winning percentage has hurt. Get a few wins and sell outs for the justification and you will see plans moving forward.


RE: UMass Football - panite - 08-02-2017 11:32 PM

(08-02-2017 12:44 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  panama, our athletic budget has increased from 25M in 2010 to 42M in 2016.

Now that we are finally playing most games on campus, McGuirk will be upgraded. But all the locals pissed off by moving to Gillette and a poor winning percentage has hurt. Get a few wins and sell outs for the justification and you will see plans moving forward.

Now that most of the games are back on campus UMASS should expand the stadium in short spurts starting with more seating in the open end zone. Closing that end should get McGuirk up to around 24k if the expansion is done right. Modernizing and upgrading the other facilities at the stadium should give UMASS a nice game day atmosphere to draw in fans with winning seasons. Good luck with everything. 04-cheers


RE: UMass Football - panite - 08-02-2017 11:59 PM

(08-01-2017 09:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 08:08 PM)panite Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 12:29 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Well the football in the A-10 is a little weak, but we are pretty happy with the hoops.....

Moving all of our sports to the MAC was a deal breaker. There is a pretty decent drop off in hoops that would not have sit well with everyone either. Granted our basketball has sucked for quite a while, but that should be over now.


Umass needs to win some games (indy or not) to get some momentum then we can figure out conference stuff. Right now we are an anchor to any conference we could be a part of.

Problem with conference stuff for UMASS is that there are no openings and UMASS shut the door on the MAC. There is no room at the inn and there will be no room at the inn in the foreseeable future. If the AAC loses any schools they will reload from CUSA or the MWC, or with Army and schools from CUSA and the MWC. The other alternative will be to stay at 10 schools with a Championship Game if they lose 2 schools. If CUSA loses 2 schools they stay at 12. IF they lose 1 school they pick up a Sunbelt school or NM St. The Sunbelt stays at 10 schools or picks up NM St or another southern school within their region to get back to 10. The MAC flat out stays at 12 from hereon out. The Eastern / Northeastern exposure bug is done now that Temple burned them and UMASS refused to go all in for all sports. 04-cheers
It's only a problem if UMass could not get games. So no it's not a problem.

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Yes they can get some games but they don't have bowl and TV contracts that are provided in the security of a conference. My initial response was that there are no conference openings to apply for at this time now that they shot the MAC offer down by refusing to move their Olympic Sports there. And there probably will not be an opening for them in the AAC unless that conference is gutted in the next realignment period when the GOR and TV contracts are renegotiated around 2025. 07-coffee3 04-cheers


RE: UMass Football - panite - 08-03-2017 12:06 AM

(08-02-2017 12:02 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  EASTERN CONFERENCE
NORTH
UMass
Buffalo
Army
James Madison
Liberty
Marshall
ODU
CHAMPIONSHIP GAME: RALEIGH
SOUTH
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
FAU
FIU

Not happening. Why would most of those school leave secure conferences to start another conference. The two regionalized divisions look good on paper however the CUSA, MAC and Sunbelt members are not leaving the respective conferences to build this one. 05-nono 05-mafia 07-coffee3 04-cheers


RE: UMass Football - panama - 08-03-2017 07:00 AM

(08-02-2017 11:59 PM)panite Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 09:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 08:08 PM)panite Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 12:29 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Well the football in the A-10 is a little weak, but we are pretty happy with the hoops.....

Moving all of our sports to the MAC was a deal breaker. There is a pretty decent drop off in hoops that would not have sit well with everyone either. Granted our basketball has sucked for quite a while, but that should be over now.


Umass needs to win some games (indy or not) to get some momentum then we can figure out conference stuff. Right now we are an anchor to any conference we could be a part of.

Problem with conference stuff for UMASS is that there are no openings and UMASS shut the door on the MAC. There is no room at the inn and there will be no room at the inn in the foreseeable future. If the AAC loses any schools they will reload from CUSA or the MWC, or with Army and schools from CUSA and the MWC. The other alternative will be to stay at 10 schools with a Championship Game if they lose 2 schools. If CUSA loses 2 schools they stay at 12. IF they lose 1 school they pick up a Sunbelt school or NM St. The Sunbelt stays at 10 schools or picks up NM St or another southern school within their region to get back to 10. The MAC flat out stays at 12 from hereon out. The Eastern / Northeastern exposure bug is done now that Temple burned them and UMASS refused to go all in for all sports. 04-cheers
It's only a problem if UMass could not get games. So no it's not a problem.

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Yes they can get some games but they don't have bowl and TV contracts that are provided in the security of a conference. My initial response was that there are no conference openings to apply for at this time now that they shot the MAC offer down by refusing to move their Olympic Sports there. And there probably will not be an opening for them in the AAC unless that conference is gutted in the next realignment period when the GOR and TV contracts are renegotiated around 2025. 07-coffee3 04-cheers
They simply have to hang on. This will all blow up soon enough.

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RE: UMass Football - EmeryZach - 08-03-2017 07:34 AM

(08-02-2017 11:59 PM)panite Wrote:  Yes they can get some games but they don't have bowl and TV contracts that are provided in the security of a conference. My initial response was that there are no conference openings to apply for at this time now that they shot the MAC offer down by refusing to move their Olympic Sports there. And there probably will not be an opening for them in the AAC unless that conference is gutted in the next realignment period when the GOR and TV contracts are renegotiated around 2025. 07-coffee3 04-cheers

We just signed a new TV contract with Eleven Sports (new name for a previous British owned sports network), which is on Fios, Direct TV, etc, and will have the games broadcast on NESN and NESNplus. We also get to keep the rights to stream the games on our UMass website. Obviously don't know the specifics and I'm not sure if they are paying us anything beyond production costs, but it's at least a start. Eleven Sports also has the rights to Ivy League football and Big Sky.

http://www.gazettenet.com/UMass-football-basketball-broadcasts-11645117


RE: UMass Football - panama - 08-03-2017 08:42 AM

http://herosports.com/college-football/new-college-football-stadiums-2017-colorado-state-umass-georgia-state-aiai


RE: UMass Football - Eldonabe - 08-03-2017 08:57 AM

When was that posted? That vid is from 2 summers ago?


I love that picture of the GA State Stadium and how there looks like a patio deck on that one side by the Video scoreboard. Is that as "open" for standing room as it looks?