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"How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - Memp400Kng - 03-24-2015 09:09 PM
I keep hearing this line about coaches being scared away if Pastner is fired too soon. This may be true in general, but Pastner is an exception. There is a perception that Pastner is inexperienced and has underperformed considering the talent and resources he has.
While it may be true that few would want to have followed Cal, following Pastner would be a gem in the eyes of many coaches.
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - Bathtub Gin - 03-24-2015 09:56 PM
You might need a lot of tissue depending on the number
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - Timmy989 - 03-24-2015 11:42 PM
(03-24-2015 09:09 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote: I keep hearing this line about coaches being scared away if Pastner is fired too soon. This may be true in general, but Pastner is an exception. There is a perception that Pastner is inexperienced and has underperformed considering the talent and resources he has.
While it may be true that few would want to have followed Cal, following Pastner would be a gem in the eyes of many coaches.
The perception you speak of is just fan based. How do you know that coaches don't respect him? Most of the things I have heard talk about how amazed coaches were that he held Memphis together after Cal leaving and what a tough spot it was
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - Halfcourt - 03-25-2015 07:31 AM
How many coaches will come if you fire Pastner too late?
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - memphissince86 - 03-25-2015 08:15 AM
(03-25-2015 07:31 AM)Halfcourt Wrote: How many coaches will come if you fire Pastner too late?
This.....
Coaches want the money, they're not worried about what happened with Pastner.
Most basketball schools if you get 6 years and yield these results, you're gone.
Cal left after 10(not talking success just length of time). Pastner going into year 7 and still trying to find his way.
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - UofMstateU - 03-25-2015 08:18 AM
(03-25-2015 08:15 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:(03-25-2015 07:31 AM)Halfcourt Wrote: How many coaches will come if you fire Pastner too late?
This.....
Coaches want the money, they're not worried about what happened with Pastner.
Most basketball schools if you get 6 years and yield these results, you're gone.
Cal left after 10(not talking success just length of time). Pastner going into year 7 and still trying to find his way.
Some dude that makes just shy of $10million a year now coaching college basketball took more than a decade to "find his way."
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - memphissince86 - 03-25-2015 08:20 AM
(03-25-2015 08:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:(03-25-2015 08:15 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:(03-25-2015 07:31 AM)Halfcourt Wrote: How many coaches will come if you fire Pastner too late?
This.....
Coaches want the money, they're not worried about what happened with Pastner.
Most basketball schools if you get 6 years and yield these results, you're gone.
Cal left after 10(not talking success just length of time). Pastner going into year 7 and still trying to find his way.
Some dude that makes just shy of $10million a year now coaching college basketball took more than a decade to "find his way."
Who? And does that mean you should keep Pastner b/c you HOPE he turns into a coaching great?
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - RekeHavoc - 03-25-2015 09:30 AM
(03-25-2015 08:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:(03-25-2015 08:15 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:(03-25-2015 07:31 AM)Halfcourt Wrote: How many coaches will come if you fire Pastner too late?
This.....
Coaches want the money, they're not worried about what happened with Pastner.
Most basketball schools if you get 6 years and yield these results, you're gone.
Cal left after 10(not talking success just length of time). Pastner going into year 7 and still trying to find his way.
Some dude that makes just shy of $10million a year now coaching college basketball took more than a decade to "find his way."
No, he didn't.
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - tigergreen - 03-25-2015 09:36 AM
If he leaves on his own, however.....
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - hopeum - 03-25-2015 09:55 AM
Who took more than a decade? Is that the lone exception out of thousands of coaches? This is a broken record, Pastner will not be uber successful just because 1 or 2 out of hundreds of other coaches took a lot of time to develop. The evidence actually points to the contrary, isn't there terminology for this?
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - tigersgrizzfan - 03-25-2015 10:01 AM
(03-25-2015 09:55 AM)hopeum Wrote: Who took more than a decade? Is that the lone exception out of thousands of coaches? This is a broken record, Pastner will not be uber successful just because 1 or 2 out of hundreds of other coaches took a lot of time to develop. The evidence actually points to the contrary, isn't there terminology for this?man just stop it...people don't want hear this LOL!
.. all this "to soon" talk, in what life does a coach get 7 years to "Learn" how to coach...only CJP get break after break. It makes no sense!!
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - roundhouse74 - 03-25-2015 10:10 AM
(03-25-2015 10:01 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:(03-25-2015 09:55 AM)hopeum Wrote: Who took more than a decade? Is that the lone exception out of thousands of coaches? This is a broken record, Pastner will not be uber successful just because 1 or 2 out of hundreds of other coaches took a lot of time to develop. The evidence actually points to the contrary, isn't there terminology for this?man just stop it...people don't want hear this LOL!
.. all this "to soon" talk, in what life does a coach get 7 years to "Learn" how to coach...only CJP get break after break. It makes no sense!!
The problem you have is that it hasn't been viewed as 7 years of steady decline by most outsiders. If you were an outsider and looked at Pastner's record, you'd see 5 years of modest improvement (finally beat top 25 team, finally won in the NCAA, etc.) and then one down year. Apparently, those who have the $ to make a change must either a) think Pastner can turn it around or b) just not want to spend their $ on buying him out and paying another coach. In the meantime, we should continue to bash on the boards and to our friends, because it can only help the program.
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - Brother Bluto - 03-25-2015 10:34 AM
(03-24-2015 09:09 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote: I keep hearing this line about coaches being scared away if Pastner is fired too soon. This may be true in general, but Pastner is an exception. There is a perception that Pastner is inexperienced and has underperformed considering the talent and resources he has.
While it may be true that few would want to have followed Cal, following Pastner would be a gem in the eyes of many coaches.
It's worse to wait imo. If this keeps up we become DePaul
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - Antonio5fan - 03-25-2015 10:49 AM
Great Post. One more year is not going to make Memphis irrelevant. If he has another sub par season more "good" coaches would understand the firing.
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - memphissince86 - 03-25-2015 10:53 AM
(03-25-2015 10:10 AM)roundhouse74 Wrote:(03-25-2015 10:01 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:(03-25-2015 09:55 AM)hopeum Wrote: Who took more than a decade? Is that the lone exception out of thousands of coaches? This is a broken record, Pastner will not be uber successful just because 1 or 2 out of hundreds of other coaches took a lot of time to develop. The evidence actually points to the contrary, isn't there terminology for this?man just stop it...people don't want hear this LOL!
.. all this "to soon" talk, in what life does a coach get 7 years to "Learn" how to coach...only CJP get break after break. It makes no sense!!
The problem you have is that it hasn't been viewed as 7 years of steady decline by most outsiders. If you were an outsider and looked at Pastner's record, you'd see 5 years of modest improvement (finally beat top 25 team, finally won in the NCAA, etc.) and then one down year. Apparently, those who have the $ to make a change must either a) think Pastner can turn it around or b) just not want to spend their $ on buying him out and paying another coach. In the meantime, we should continue to bash on the boards and to our friends, because it can only help the program.
That's funny, I see disappointment and underachievement in the last 4 of his 6yrs. Others see modest improvement.
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - memphissince86 - 03-25-2015 10:55 AM
(03-25-2015 10:49 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote: Great Post. One more year is not going to make Memphis irrelevant. If he has another sub par season more "good" coaches would understand the firing.
It makes Memphis irrelevant to recruits. They see the transfers. One more year! One more year!
Other coaches can see and understand the firing when you have players fleeing from the program.
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - RekeHavoc - 03-25-2015 10:55 AM
(03-25-2015 10:53 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:(03-25-2015 10:10 AM)roundhouse74 Wrote:(03-25-2015 10:01 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:(03-25-2015 09:55 AM)hopeum Wrote: Who took more than a decade? Is that the lone exception out of thousands of coaches? This is a broken record, Pastner will not be uber successful just because 1 or 2 out of hundreds of other coaches took a lot of time to develop. The evidence actually points to the contrary, isn't there terminology for this?man just stop it...people don't want hear this LOL!
.. all this "to soon" talk, in what life does a coach get 7 years to "Learn" how to coach...only CJP get break after break. It makes no sense!!
The problem you have is that it hasn't been viewed as 7 years of steady decline by most outsiders. If you were an outsider and looked at Pastner's record, you'd see 5 years of modest improvement (finally beat top 25 team, finally won in the NCAA, etc.) and then one down year. Apparently, those who have the $ to make a change must either a) think Pastner can turn it around or b) just not want to spend their $ on buying him out and paying another coach. In the meantime, we should continue to bash on the boards and to our friends, because it can only help the program.
That's funny, I see disappointment and underachievement in the last 4 of his 6yrs. Others see modest improvement.
I'm with you. Some people see what they want I guess.
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - HoopDreams - 03-25-2015 10:59 AM
(03-25-2015 10:34 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:(03-24-2015 09:09 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote: I keep hearing this line about coaches being scared away if Pastner is fired too soon. This may be true in general, but Pastner is an exception. There is a perception that Pastner is inexperienced and has underperformed considering the talent and resources he has.
While it may be true that few would want to have followed Cal, following Pastner would be a gem in the eyes of many coaches.
It's worse to wait imo. If this keeps up we become DePaul
Yep.
Seems like all that mindfulness talk - paralysis by analysis - rubbed off on Rudd and certain boosters.
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - Stammers - 03-25-2015 11:03 AM
(03-25-2015 10:34 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:(03-24-2015 09:09 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote: I keep hearing this line about coaches being scared away if Pastner is fired too soon. This may be true in general, but Pastner is an exception. There is a perception that Pastner is inexperienced and has underperformed considering the talent and resources he has.
While it may be true that few would want to have followed Cal, following Pastner would be a gem in the eyes of many coaches.
It's worse to wait imo. If this keeps up we become DePaul
Are we a top 20 program where anyone can win quickly or DePaul? You seem confused.
LMAO
RE: "How many coaches would come if you fire Pastner too soon" - tiger2000 - 03-25-2015 11:22 AM
I have a more important question. If pastner leaves or is fired, will the board polarity reverse? Will the sunshine pumpers become miserables and miserables become sunshine pumpers?
Mentally labelling every single poster is already exhausting enough.