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Who Actually Controls Education? - Machiavelli - 03-04-2015 05:34 PM
Who should exercise authority over the public education system; the individual, the local community, or the federal government? I'm getting hacked off by the usual rabble rousers when in actuality it could be a great topic.
In my state it's controlled by the state with some form of local control but it is ebbing.. The state controls the purse strings to a certain degree. They give a basic level of funding. It's currently around 5,400 per kid. My school however is funded primarily through local funds. I believe it's over 90% local funding as the state is cutting our local state share by 27% in the next two years. I'm sure all states are different for a number of reasons. I think the southern states have executed an end around of Brown vs. Board of Education by privatizing everything but that's another topic. Who knows? I'm telling you in MY STATE, the State of Ohio, the State controls public education and we have a Republican governor, A Republican House, and a Republican Senate. Now can anyone explain to me how the state of education is the fault of Liberals ?????????????????????
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - Kaplony - 03-04-2015 05:37 PM
I would need to see legitimate stats to back up your claims since you have proven today that you have no qualms making stuff up to slander another poster. Who knows if you are making these stats up.
And please try to use legitimate sources, preferably government. Thanks!
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - QuestionSocratic - 03-04-2015 05:38 PM
(03-04-2015 05:34 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Who should exercise authority over the public education system; the individual, the local community, or the federal government? I'm getting hacked off by the usual rabble rousers when in actuality it could be a great topic.
In my state it's controlled by the state with some form of local control but it is ebbing.. The state controls the purse strings to a certain degree. They give a basic level of funding. It's currently around 5,400 per kid. My school however is funded primarily through local funds. I believe it's over 90% local funding as the state is cutting our local state share by 27% in the next two years. I'm sure all states are different for a number of reasons. I think the southern states have executed an end around of Brown vs. Board of Education by privatizing everything but that's another topic. Who knows? I'm telling you in MY STATE, the State of Ohio, the State controls public education and we have a Republican governor, A Republican House, and a Republican Senate. Now can anyone explain to me how the state of education is the fault of Liberals ?????????????????????
If you have to ask, you obviously are incapable of understanding the answer.
And I don't have time to explain as I've got a regional HS hockey game to go to.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - SuperFlyBCat - 03-04-2015 05:48 PM
(03-04-2015 05:34 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Who should exercise authority over the public education system; the individual, the local community, or the federal government? I'm getting hacked off by the usual rabble rousers when in actuality it could be a great topic.
In my state it's controlled by the state with some form of local control but it is ebbing.. The state controls the purse strings to a certain degree. They give a basic level of funding. It's currently around 5,400 per kid. My school however is funded primarily through local funds. I believe it's over 90% local funding as the state is cutting our local state share by 27% in the next two years. I'm sure all states are different for a number of reasons. I think the southern states have executed an end around of Brown vs. Board of Education by privatizing everything but that's another topic. Who knows? I'm telling you in MY STATE, the State of Ohio, the State controls public education and we have a Republican governor, A Republican House, and a Republican Senate. Now can anyone explain to me how the state of education is the fault of Liberals ?????????????????????
Ohio public schools are a blend of state and local money. If you want the state to not fund public schools your real estate taxes will triple.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - Machiavelli - 03-04-2015 06:12 PM
Conservatives for the most part control education. At least in Ohio. That was the point.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - stinkfist - 03-04-2015 06:17 PM
the overall premise regarding 'concern' is valid.....
the only meaningful result is too deep to really engage....
especially in today's world as she spins....
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - SuperFlyBCat - 03-04-2015 06:32 PM
(03-04-2015 06:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Conservatives for the most part control education. At least in Ohio. That was the point.
No even close. Teachers Unions do. Just because voters got smart and went GOP does not discount the Unions.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - Machiavelli - 03-04-2015 06:37 PM
OMG........................
Add SuperFly to the clueless column.
Care to answer any of these then. I'll open it up to you too.
Tell me where Unions have propagated the current dire straits we are confronted with. Are Unions behind the common core? Who propagated accountability testing and end of course exams? Unions? Who increased graduation requirements? Unions? (that one was higher ed, but they screwed K-12 in the process)
Get a clue is on Line 2.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - Machiavelli - 03-04-2015 06:38 PM
and btw.
THE UNIONS STATES TEST HIGHER THAN THE NON UNION STATES AND IT"S NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and YES I AM SHOUTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET A FREAKING CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - ericsrevenge76 - 03-04-2015 06:42 PM
well well well....
Another nonsensical, incoherent mach meltdown.
He even started the thread off with a 21 gun salute of question marks. lol
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - SuperFlyBCat - 03-04-2015 06:44 PM
(03-04-2015 06:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: well well well....
Another nonsensical, incoherent mach meltdown.
He even started the thread off with a 21 gun salute of question marks. lol
Done with him.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - DrTorch - 03-04-2015 10:22 PM
(03-04-2015 06:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: well well well....
Another nonsensical, incoherent mach meltdown.
He even started the thread off with a 21 gun salute of question marks. lol
I'm sure the "E-gang" will get blamed for this meltdown. Or perhaps gremlins.
I've been told repeatedly how stupid I am, so I'm obviously wrong pointing out the obvious answer
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - HeartOfDixie - 03-04-2015 11:31 PM
The Federal government does here.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - NIU007 - 03-05-2015 12:14 AM
(03-04-2015 06:38 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: and btw.
THE UNIONS STATES TEST HIGHER THAN THE NON UNION STATES AND IT"S NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and YES I AM SHOUTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET A FREAKING CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Do you have statistics on this?
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - Machiavelli - 03-05-2015 08:06 AM
I'm going by ACT scores. They have a Stanford Binet that measures IQ. Just google state rankings on tests. Look where the RTW states fall vs. the Worker Protection States.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - UConn-SMU - 03-05-2015 08:13 AM
(03-04-2015 06:38 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: and btw.
THE UNIONS STATES TEST HIGHER THAN THE NON UNION STATES AND IT"S NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and YES I AM SHOUTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET A FREAKING CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Non-sequitur.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - Machiavelli - 03-05-2015 08:16 AM
Well we could go on the PARQQ tests or common core but states are dropping those like flies too. If not for the ACT what else would or could you test. The Ames test? I'll go look.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - UConn-SMU - 03-05-2015 08:22 AM
Everyone controls education ... the federal government, states, local governments, unions, parents. That's the problem; too many chefs spoil the stew. Everyone is in control, which means no one is in control.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - Fitbud - 03-05-2015 10:52 AM
(03-04-2015 05:34 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Who should exercise authority over the public education system; the individual, the local community, or the federal government? I'm getting hacked off by the usual rabble rousers when in actuality it could be a great topic.
In my state it's controlled by the state with some form of local control but it is ebbing.. The state controls the purse strings to a certain degree. They give a basic level of funding. It's currently around 5,400 per kid. My school however is funded primarily through local funds. I believe it's over 90% local funding as the state is cutting our local state share by 27% in the next two years. I'm sure all states are different for a number of reasons. I think the southern states have executed an end around of Brown vs. Board of Education by privatizing everything but that's another topic. Who knows? I'm telling you in MY STATE, the State of Ohio, the State controls public education and we have a Republican governor, A Republican House, and a Republican Senate. Now can anyone explain to me how the state of education is the fault of Liberals ?????????????????????
Yes.
Because education is the great equalizer and anyone in the business of educating children therefore must be a liberal.
Only through education can minorities achieve equal status and that is something that republicans do not want. The will fight tooth and nail to keep minorities down which is why they are enemies of institutions of higher learning.
RE: Who Actually Controls Education? - shiftyeagle - 03-05-2015 11:50 AM
(03-04-2015 05:34 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Who should exercise authority over the public education system; the individual, the local community, or the federal government? I'm getting hacked off by the usual rabble rousers when in actuality it could be a great topic.
In my state it's controlled by the state with some form of local control but it is ebbing.. The state controls the purse strings to a certain degree. They give a basic level of funding. It's currently around 5,400 per kid. My school however is funded primarily through local funds. I believe it's over 90% local funding as the state is cutting our local state share by 27% in the next two years. I'm sure all states are different for a number of reasons. I think the southern states have executed an end around of Brown vs. Board of Education by privatizing everything but that's another topic. Who knows? I'm telling you in MY STATE, the State of Ohio, the State controls public education and we have a Republican governor, A Republican House, and a Republican Senate. Now can anyone explain to me how the state of education is the fault of Liberals ?????????????????????
Well, the fall of the public education system was kickstarted by Jimmy Carter and the Department of Indoctrination in 1979.