Quote:Chanute, Kansas, a city of 9,000 residents, needs state permission to issue bonds needed to finance the expansion of its fiber network, which was built to support utility operations and now also serves government facilities, a college, a library, a hospital, and a few business partners. Chanute requested approval to issue the bonds on October 21, saying the expansion would let it offer “Gigabit connectivity to potentially all of Chanute's utility customers.” Southwestern Bell Telephone Company, the AT&T subsidiary, promptly asked the Kansas Corporation Commission (KCC) for permission to “intervene” in the proceeding, saying the company’s “interests and those of its customers may be affected” by the plan.

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According to The Wichita Eagle, “the service the city is planning has a download speed of 1Gbps and is projected to cost $40 a month for city residents. That’s 14 times faster and 60 percent cheaper than the fastest Internet service that Chanute residents can get now. The speed would be as fast as the Google Fiber network being deployed in the Kansas City metropolitan area—and 42 percent cheaper for the customers.” Chanute said it would provide voice and video itself or contract with third-party providers.

Quote:Private telecommunications companies have pushed state legislatures to pass laws banning or restricting municipal broadband projects and have won such limits in 20 states. That number doesn’t include the Kansas law, but in January a cable lobbyist group introduced legislation that would have made it almost impossible for cities and towns in Kansas to offer broadband to residents. The bill was killed after widespread protests, including opposition from Chanute.

(12-09-2014 02:49 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Crony capitalism makes me ill.

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:49 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Crony capitalism makes me ill.

Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:49 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Crony capitalism makes me ill.

Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

(12-09-2014 02:54 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:49 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Crony capitalism makes me ill.

Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

liberals embrace crony capitalism

(12-09-2014 02:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:49 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Crony capitalism makes me ill.

Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

Being against crony capitalism should be bipartisan. But that requires a healthy skepticism if your own stupid little political team, which most people don't have.

The GOP is in bed with the military industrial complex. The Dems are in bed with big labor and big healthcare. They're both in bed with big banks.

(12-09-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:49 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Crony capitalism makes me ill.

Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

Being against crony capitalism should be bipartisan. But that requires a healthy skepticism if your own stupid little political team, which most people don't have.

The GOP is in bed with the military industrial complex. The Dems are in bed with big labor and big healthcare. They're both in bed with big banks.

I will admit that the dems are in bed with big corporate influences at times, but they are nowhere near as bad as the republicans when it comes to this stuff.

(12-09-2014 03:02 PM)BucFyre Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:49 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Crony capitalism makes me ill.

Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

Being against crony capitalism should be bipartisan. But that requires a healthy skepticism if your own stupid little political team, which most people don't have.

The GOP is in bed with the military industrial complex. The Dems are in bed with big labor and big healthcare. They're both in bed with big banks.

I will admit that the dems are in bed with big corporate influences at times, but they are nowhere near as bad as the republicans when it comes to this stuff.

Is nowhere near as bad really any less evil?

(12-09-2014 03:02 PM)BucFyre Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:49 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Crony capitalism makes me ill.

Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

Being against crony capitalism should be bipartisan. But that requires a healthy skepticism if your own stupid little political team, which most people don't have.

The GOP is in bed with the military industrial complex. The Dems are in bed with big labor and big healthcare. They're both in bed with big banks.

I will admit that the dems are in bed with big corporate influences at times, but they are nowhere near as bad as the republicans when it comes to this stuff.

Is nowhere near as bad really any less evil?

Quote:So would AT&T and cable companies rather compete and offer a better service than some local government, since this is an alleged "free market" for internet service providers right? Ehhhhhhhhhh......... NO.

(12-09-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:49 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Crony capitalism makes me ill.

Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

Being against crony capitalism should be bipartisan. But that requires a healthy skepticism if your own stupid little political team, which most people don't have.

The GOP is in bed with the military industrial complex. The Dems are in bed with big labor and big healthcare. They're both in bed with big banks.

I will admit that the dems are in bed with big corporate influences at times, but they are nowhere near as bad as the republicans when it comes to this stuff.

(12-09-2014 03:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:49 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Crony capitalism makes me ill.

Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

Being against crony capitalism should be bipartisan. But that requires a healthy skepticism if your own stupid little political team, which most people don't have.

The GOP is in bed with the military industrial complex. The Dems are in bed with big labor and big healthcare. They're both in bed with big banks.

I will admit that the dems are in bed with big corporate influences at times, but they are nowhere near as bad as the republicans when it comes to this stuff.

"If you say so." Notice you provide no evidence for your claims. Couple that with your previously demonstrated ignorance and it's pretty clear this is just you blabbering.

(12-09-2014 03:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

Being against crony capitalism should be bipartisan. But that requires a healthy skepticism if your own stupid little political team, which most people don't have.

The GOP is in bed with the military industrial complex. The Dems are in bed with big labor and big healthcare. They're both in bed with big banks.

I will admit that the dems are in bed with big corporate influences at times, but they are nowhere near as bad as the republicans when it comes to this stuff.

"If you say so." Notice you provide no evidence for your claims. Couple that with your previously demonstrated ignorance and it's pretty clear this is just you blabbering.

LOL it's pretty evident with GOP stances on less regulation, tax cuts for the rich, pro gun industry, & anti environmental regulations being the core of their party ideology.

There are some republican stances that I can actually agree with such as 2nd amendment & keeping gas prices down by helping big oil. But the positions the GOP takes on those two stances go well beyond "doing whats best for americans" and focuses on "what does what is best for oil & gun corporations"

(12-09-2014 03:48 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Being against crony capitalism should be bipartisan. But that requires a healthy skepticism if your own stupid little political team, which most people don't have.

The GOP is in bed with the military industrial complex. The Dems are in bed with big labor and big healthcare. They're both in bed with big banks.

I will admit that the dems are in bed with big corporate influences at times, but they are nowhere near as bad as the republicans when it comes to this stuff.

"If you say so." Notice you provide no evidence for your claims. Couple that with your previously demonstrated ignorance and it's pretty clear this is just you blabbering.

LOL it's pretty evident with GOP stances on less regulation, tax cuts for the rich, pro gun industry, & anti environmental regulations being the core of their party ideology.

There are some republican stances that I can actually agree with such as 2nd amendment & keeping gas prices down by helping big oil. But the positions the GOP takes on those two stances go well beyond "doing whats best for americans" and focuses on "what does what is best for oil & gun corporations"

Again with no examples. Just vagaries. And no analysis of Dems.

Typical millennial, no ability to research, no ability to think.

(12-09-2014 02:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:49 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Crony capitalism makes me ill.

Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

Being against crony capitalism should be bipartisan. But that requires a healthy skepticism if your own stupid little political team, which most people don't have.

The GOP establishment is in bed with the military industrial complex. The Dems establishment are in bed with big labor and big healthcare. They're both in bed with big banks.

(12-09-2014 03:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Is that your inner liberalism coming out?

Being against crony capitalism should be bipartisan. But that requires a healthy skepticism if your own stupid little political team, which most people don't have.

The GOP is in bed with the military industrial complex. The Dems are in bed with big labor and big healthcare. They're both in bed with big banks.

I will admit that the dems are in bed with big corporate influences at times, but they are nowhere near as bad as the republicans when it comes to this stuff.

"If you say so." Notice you provide no evidence for your claims. Couple that with your previously demonstrated ignorance and it's pretty clear this is just you blabbering.

LOL it's pretty evident with GOP stances on less regulation, tax cuts for the rich, pro gun industry, & anti environmental regulations being the core of their party ideology.

There are some republican stances that I can actually agree with such as 2nd amendment & keeping gas prices down by helping big oil. But the positions the GOP takes on those two stances go well beyond "doing whats best for americans" and focuses on "what does what is best for oil & gun corporations"

(12-09-2014 03:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:48 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I will admit that the dems are in bed with big corporate influences at times, but they are nowhere near as bad as the republicans when it comes to this stuff.

"If you say so." Notice you provide no evidence for your claims. Couple that with your previously demonstrated ignorance and it's pretty clear this is just you blabbering.

LOL it's pretty evident with GOP stances on less regulation, tax cuts for the rich, pro gun industry, & anti environmental regulations being the core of their party ideology.

There are some republican stances that I can actually agree with such as 2nd amendment & keeping gas prices down by helping big oil. But the positions the GOP takes on those two stances go well beyond "doing whats best for americans" and focuses on "what does what is best for oil & gun corporations"

Again with no examples. Just vagaries. And no analysis of Dems.

Typical millennial, no ability to research, no ability to think.

lol, you always resort to that joke talking point. besides the obvious issue of your generalizing an entire generation as one single group, then making a stereotype about said group....

This forum is clearly above you intelligence level if you need research or examples to verify that the GOP is pro gun, pro tax cuts for the rich, etc.

That's not an insult, thats just reality because that's ELI5 level stuff about US politics.

(12-09-2014 03:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  lol, you always resort to that joke talking point. besides the obvious issue of your generalizing an entire generation as one single group, then making a stereotype about said group....

Quote:This forum is clearly above you intelligence level if you need research or examples to verify that the GOP is pro gun, pro tax cuts for the rich, etc.