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Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - Love and Honor - 06-22-2014 11:39 AM
There's been plenty of discussion about the Washington Redskins name in the past few weeks, but I don't think I've seen any of these noble defenders of Native Americans (not just on this forum) mention anything other than how offensive the name Redskin is (granted I haven't been a regular poster on the Spin Room for very long).
The national average of families living below the poverty line is 9.2 percent. For the Navajo its 46.5 percent, the Cheyenne are 42.5 percent, and 54.4 percent for the Ouray, just to name a few. Meanwhile 12 percent of Indian deaths are attributed to alcoholism. I've been to Pine Ridge, South Dakota, headquarters to the Oglala Sioux tribe. Their per capita income is barely $6000, a few developing nations I've traveled to put them (and America as a whole) shame.
Why is it that so many people are so outraged about the name Redskins but have never mentioned one word about real problems that face the Indians? I suppose they values protecting people's feelings more than making sure they have enough to eat.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - QuestionSocratic - 06-22-2014 11:48 AM
The local newspaper did an investigative piece on the local Native American (NA) community relative to the casinos and gas/cigarette businesses.
The Seneca Nation operates three casinos in Western New York and many gas/cigarette stores where purchases are not subject to normal taxes.
The paper found out that while tens of millions were being earned, about a dozen of the leaders were reaping the windfall incomes while the vast majority of the Senecas were living in poverty. A chunk of the casino profits were going to the Chinese who bankrolled the casinos.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - oklalittledixie - 06-22-2014 11:51 AM
This is just another issue to keep us occupied while the fundamental transformation is taking place. and people wonder why I suggested that the NFL has become a liberal propaganda machine. It is the perfect tool. Whatever happens in the NFL brings the entire nation to a stand still. What a perfect way to transform America.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - EagleX - 06-22-2014 12:02 PM
I absolutely don't care one way or another. the nfl crossed the line from sport to spectacle around the time Janet Jackson's 40 year old boob popped out in my living room. now, it's slightly more respectable than professional wrestling. very slightly.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - UM2001GRAD - 06-22-2014 04:01 PM
Why should anyone be surprised that the effects of genocide (both physical and cultural) are long-lasting? Right-wingers are unwilling to do the smallest of things (e.g., change mascots) on behalf of Native Americans; so why would they support doing anything substantial to actually aid Native American populations in education and economic development?
I take it by the avatar of the OP that he/she opposed (or is at least resistant to) Miami University changing its mascot in response to the request by the Miami Tribe that they do so. If you're not willing to do a small, costless thing, then you're surely not willing to do substantial things.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - Smaug - 06-22-2014 04:05 PM
To answer the OP's question, clearly.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - Fo Shizzle - 06-22-2014 05:44 PM
(06-22-2014 04:05 PM)Smaug Wrote: To answer the OP's question, clearly.
Most def.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - smn1256 - 06-22-2014 06:07 PM
(06-22-2014 04:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: Why should anyone be surprised that the effects of genocide (both physical and cultural) are long-lasting? Right-wingers are unwilling to do the smallest of things (e.g., change mascots) on behalf of Native Americans; so why would they support doing anything substantial to actually aid Native American populations in education and economic development?
I take it by the avatar of the OP that he/she opposed (or is at least resistant to) Miami University changing its mascot in response to the request by the Miami Tribe that they do so. If you're not willing to do a small, costless thing, then you're surely not willing to do substantial things.
I'm sure you were just horrified when you found out the code name for bin Laden was Geronimo.
And then there are the death machines like the Tomahawk missile and Apache helicopter that I have no doubt you've protested the military over, right?
Like heart attacks? An indian is used to promote something that increases cholesterol and obesity and you're how mad at them?
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RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - HeartOfDixie - 06-22-2014 06:20 PM
Changing mascots solves poverty.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - EagleX - 06-22-2014 06:30 PM
attacking the picture on the side of a football helmet actaully makes harry reid seem less deranged.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - UM2001GRAD - 06-22-2014 06:59 PM
(06-22-2014 06:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Changing mascots solves poverty.
It's not an either/or proposition. Only the weak-minded would think so. I know you right-wingers want to portray it as such to defend racism, but reality is what it is.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - GoApps70 - 06-22-2014 07:01 PM
harry is plenty over the top regardless of the subject
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - Poorwill - 06-22-2014 07:14 PM
(06-22-2014 04:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: Why should anyone be surprised that the effects of genocide (both physical and cultural) are long-lasting? Right-wingers are unwilling to do the smallest of things (e.g., change mascots) on behalf of Native Americans; so why would they support doing anything substantial to actually aid Native American populations in education and economic development?
I take it by the avatar of the OP that he/she opposed (or is at least resistant to) Miami University changing its mascot in response to the request by the Miami Tribe that they do so. If you're not willing to do a small, costless thing, then you're surely not willing to do substantial things.
Would you please tell us what you personally have done to help the problem.
You can leave out hand wringing and bitching. And being politicallycorrect.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - EagleX - 06-22-2014 07:20 PM
rename them the PMSing b!tches. Problem solved.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - DefCONNOne - 06-22-2014 07:23 PM
(06-22-2014 06:59 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:(06-22-2014 06:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Changing mascots solves poverty.
It's not an either/or proposition. Only the weak-minded would think so. I know you right-wingers want to portray it as such to defend racism, but reality is what it is.
Since you've obviously taken the cowards way out of answering smn's question, I've taken the liberty of posting the question for you TO answer. Or, you can continue to be the coward we all know you to be. Your choice.
Quote:I'm sure you were just horrified when you found out the code name for bin Laden was Geronimo.
And then there are the death machines like the Tomahawk missile and Apache helicopter that I have no doubt you've protested the military over, right?
Like heart attacks? An indian is used to promote something that increases cholesterol and obesity and you're how mad at them?
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - smn1256 - 06-22-2014 09:20 PM
(06-22-2014 07:14 PM)Poorwill Wrote:(06-22-2014 04:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: Why should anyone be surprised that the effects of genocide (both physical and cultural) are long-lasting? Right-wingers are unwilling to do the smallest of things (e.g., change mascots) on behalf of Native Americans; so why would they support doing anything substantial to actually aid Native American populations in education and economic development?
I take it by the avatar of the OP that he/she opposed (or is at least resistant to) Miami University changing its mascot in response to the request by the Miami Tribe that they do so. If you're not willing to do a small, costless thing, then you're surely not willing to do substantial things.
Would you please tell us what you personally have done to help the problem.
You can leave out hand wringing and bitching. And being politicallycorrect.
Were you expecting an answer from this guy?
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - ericsrevenge76 - 06-22-2014 09:40 PM
(06-22-2014 09:20 PM)smn1256 Wrote:(06-22-2014 07:14 PM)Poorwill Wrote:(06-22-2014 04:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: Why should anyone be surprised that the effects of genocide (both physical and cultural) are long-lasting? Right-wingers are unwilling to do the smallest of things (e.g., change mascots) on behalf of Native Americans; so why would they support doing anything substantial to actually aid Native American populations in education and economic development?
I take it by the avatar of the OP that he/she opposed (or is at least resistant to) Miami University changing its mascot in response to the request by the Miami Tribe that they do so. If you're not willing to do a small, costless thing, then you're surely not willing to do substantial things.
Would you please tell us what you personally have done to help the problem.
You can leave out hand wringing and bitching. And being politicallycorrect.
Were you expecting an answer from this guy?
He's nothing but a pot stirring troll who probably doesn't believe half the BS he posts.
I LOL ever time I read his nonsense.
Hilarious
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - Love and Honor - 06-22-2014 09:43 PM
(06-22-2014 04:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: Why should anyone be surprised that the effects of genocide (both physical and cultural) are long-lasting? Right-wingers are unwilling to do the smallest of things (e.g., change mascots) on behalf of Native Americans; so why would they support doing anything substantial to actually aid Native American populations in education and economic development?
I take it by the avatar of the OP that he/she opposed (or is at least resistant to) Miami University changing its mascot in response to the request by the Miami Tribe that they do so. If you're not willing to do a small, costless thing, then you're surely not willing to do substantial things.
Any name change might help the psychological image of Native Americans (by America as a whole) in the long run, but not fast enough to help their lives directly. Do you think renaming the Redskins to something like the Warriors would instantly bring Native Americans out of poverty? The way you actually improve their lives is by reducing their financial dependency on government (though I support the creation of temporary substance abuse centers to help break the cycle of addiction). Native American poverty is a result of them being wards of the state. The Lumbee tribe doesn't have these problems, they aren't federally recognized.
Me? I personally don't give a s**t whether or not Washington changes their name, I don't care about them or what they're called. I just want any action (if any) to be initiated by the Redskins (re: Dan Snyder) or the NFL itself, not by a few idiots in Congress, as a matter of principle. As to the Redskin in my avatar, it's a symbol of Miami more than anything. I went to Miami after we switched to Redhawks so I have no personal attachment to the logo, I keep it there as an indirect way to keep hope that we'll return to the glory days of Miami athletics.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - Fitbud - 06-23-2014 11:24 AM
(06-22-2014 11:48 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: The local newspaper did an investigative piece on the local Native American (NA) community relative to the casinos and gas/cigarette businesses.
The Seneca Nation operates three casinos in Western New York and many gas/cigarette stores where purchases are not subject to normal taxes.
The paper found out that while tens of millions were being earned, about a dozen of the leaders were reaping the windfall incomes while the vast majority of the Senecas were living in poverty. A chunk of the casino profits were going to the Chinese who bankrolled the casinos.
So life on the reservation imitates life in America?
Interesting.
RE: Is the Redskins controversy a bigger problem than Indian poverty? - LSU04_08 - 06-23-2014 12:43 PM
(06-22-2014 06:07 PM)smn1256 Wrote:(06-22-2014 04:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: Why should anyone be surprised that the effects of genocide (both physical and cultural) are long-lasting? Right-wingers are unwilling to do the smallest of things (e.g., change mascots) on behalf of Native Americans; so why would they support doing anything substantial to actually aid Native American populations in education and economic development?
I take it by the avatar of the OP that he/she opposed (or is at least resistant to) Miami University changing its mascot in response to the request by the Miami Tribe that they do so. If you're not willing to do a small, costless thing, then you're surely not willing to do substantial things.
I'm sure you were just horrified when you found out the code name for bin Laden was Geronimo.
And then there are the death machines like the Tomahawk missile and Apache helicopter that I have no doubt you've protested the military over, right?
Like heart attacks? An indian is used to promote something that increases cholesterol and obesity and you're how mad at them?
Has MSNBC or Huffington Post talked about any of that? No. So UM2001GAG knows nothing about it.