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KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - ncbeta - 03-20-2014 11:20 PM
http://www.wect.com/story/25011815/teens-police-and-a-video?utm_content=buffer84de0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Pretty much what we have here is some older teens playing air soft in an open field. Someone calls the police. The police come out of the woods with assault rivals (allegedly) and begin to question the kids. When the officer asked the 18 year old to turn off his camera, he refused (completely legal) and the officer became agitated. After refusing to give his name and turn off the camera(you are not required to give your name by law unless suspected of a crime... I guess trespassing?) the officer arrested and charged the young man.
Charged with Criminal trespass, assisting minors in tresspassing, and concealing a deadly weapon (pocket knife).
Pretty astounding to me. Why are some police so upset when you film them? An entire website exists called "Photography is not a crime" where these guys go out an film police officers, etc. and get them riled up. The always end up having a long debate with the cops and make them look like fools for trying to manipulate our rights. I don't necessarily agree with their tactics but it's interesting to watch.
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - JDTulane - 03-20-2014 11:45 PM
All officers should wear helmet cams.
KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - Kronke - 03-20-2014 11:50 PM
Whether it be dash cams or body worn cameras, they're filming us. So I don't understand either why they get so butt hurt about it, or why they don't understand it works both ways -- especially since it's legal.
Probably has to do with so many of them being caught using excessive force.
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RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - GoApps70 - 03-21-2014 05:35 AM
Police gone crazy once again.
Think of all the ridiculous things we do not hear about.
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - DrTorch - 03-21-2014 06:10 AM
(03-20-2014 11:20 PM)ncbeta Wrote: (you are not required to give your name by law unless suspected of a crime... I guess trespassing?) the officer arrested and charged the young man.
Unfortunately, a court ruling c. 10 years ago says otherwise.
Citizens need to be more active, start protesting this abuse.
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - Jerry Falwell - 03-21-2014 08:27 AM
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/mark-schlinkmann/arrest-of-anti-obama-protesters-on-st-charles-overpass-sparks/article_1470b643-9c15-5c20-99de-28e0a54ababb.html
Arrested for free speech and right to assemble, protesting Dear Leader on an overpass. Video @ link... plenty of other videos of the same thing from all around the country.
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - georgia_tech_swagger - 03-21-2014 08:30 AM
(03-20-2014 11:50 PM)Kronke Wrote: Whether it be dash cams or body worn cameras, they're filming us. So I don't understand either why they get so butt hurt about it, or why they don't understand it works both ways -- especially since it's legal.
Probably has to do with so many of them being caught using excessive force.
Their dash cams and body cams can "malfunction" or "be out of memory" or "been damaged".
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - LSU04_08 - 03-21-2014 08:47 AM
It's all BS, but if you want to keep the cops off your ass, you'll have to be cooperative... I remember being 21, and out with my friends at a public park in Shreveport, La drinking beer... Kinda legal at that spot, and when the Shreveport cops pulled up to ask us whatever it was they asked us, I think about some drag racing, I was a smartass to them. So they wanted to search my GF's car and asked if there were any weapons in it, I told them just a body in the trunk... They made ME pour out every beer we had with us, because I was the smart ass, then almost arrested me for the trunk comment.
The girls and my friends got a chuckle out of my conversation, but the cops can say and do what they want, and if you're not cooperative, you're pretty much fuucked... It's sad, but until things can get better, we're in their world and we need to either be cooperative or risk being arrested.
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - smn1256 - 03-21-2014 11:00 AM
One night, a long time ago, I was heading to a bar to meet my friends. I was driving down a one way street and there was this car facing the wrong direction with its brights on which made it extremely hard for me to see where I was going. When I got near the car I could see a guy talking to a girl and they were laughing and assumed they were the ones who owned the car. As I was passing by, I yelled out "arsehole" just before seeing the car in question was a police car. I didn't get half a mile before a bunch of cops stopped me. They refused to tell me what I was being stopped for so I wouldn't let them go into my car. I was standing close to the driver's door when of the cops opened it and I nudged it back closed with my leg and that's when they jumped all over me. They threw me against the hood and dented it, tore apart the inside of my car, towed it away, and I was locked up over night courtesy of the Englewood, NJ police dept. I don't recall what they eventually charged me with, but I did plead guilty in court since it was the word of a bunch of cops against just me. After telling my story the judge told the DA to explain things to me and he pulled me outside and told me the judge wouldn't accept a guilty plea if I'm telling him I was actually innocent and that my case would have to go to trial. I ended up pleading guilty to something and got the hell out of there
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - pharaoh0 - 03-21-2014 12:25 PM
Here's the deal...Those charges are probably correct and probably should stick. HOWEVER, usually given a situation like this, the cops ask some questions and let it go. Dude was right about the recording, but really, it wasn't worth it. You are carrying rifles that look like AR15s in a city next to a military base...so, the cops are already on edge, this day in age. Be cool and cooperate without self-incriminating yourself. They probably would have "warned" him and told him to leave. Instead, he is facing charges.
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - olliebaba - 03-21-2014 12:39 PM
It's stupid to fight the cops, you'll never win. I tell my kids do what they say as they have the power of life and death and there's isn't a court system that will not take their side. Be cooperative and don't be a smart S. You also have to sympathize with cops as they have a hard job to do. I know that there are bad apples in the service but every entity has them.
Years back we got a call about a sick person in the airport terminal and we had two people responding to the call. Listen, they came from the fire station that was between two runways and went up the passenger ramp and had to traverse the inspection area and the EMY in charge just barged in without going through the inspection area. He was stopped and even though they were the emergency responders with possibly a serious victim involved in the call it didn't matter to those stupid inspectors. What the heck, we had access to the WHOLE airport area, that is, taxiways, runways, tarmac and they get stopped because they didn't go through inspection. It's so stupid it's ridiculous. Our chief had to get him out of jail. LOL
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - Jerry Falwell - 03-21-2014 12:45 PM
Land of the Fee.
Home of the slave.
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - pharaoh0 - 03-21-2014 02:26 PM
(03-21-2014 12:39 PM)olliebaba Wrote: It's stupid to fight the cops, you'll never win. I tell my kids do what they say as they have the power of life and death and there's isn't a court system that will not take their side. Be cooperative and don't be a smart S. You also have to sympathize with cops as they have a hard job to do. I know that there are bad apples in the service but every entity has them.
Years back we got a call about a sick person in the airport terminal and we had two people responding to the call. Listen, they came from the fire station that was between two runways and went up the passenger ramp and had to traverse the inspection area and the EMY in charge just barged in without going through the inspection area. He was stopped and even though they were the emergency responders with possibly a serious victim involved in the call it didn't matter to those stupid inspectors. What the heck, we had access to the WHOLE airport area, that is, taxiways, runways, tarmac and they get stopped because they didn't go through inspection. It's so stupid it's ridiculous. Our chief had to get him out of jail. LOL
The courts may rule against them, but you'll be dead (so, that's no good). It is best to cooperate (like you say) but don't self-incriminate. Get a lawyer and then fight back. But really, most of this stuff is because both the cop and the person are playing a game of machismo. Since the cops have the gun, let them win. In the end, usually the worst thing that can happen is that your pride will be hurt and you'll get a "stern warning", which is the way cops back down.
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - olliebaba - 03-21-2014 02:32 PM
(03-21-2014 02:26 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:(03-21-2014 12:39 PM)olliebaba Wrote: It's stupid to fight the cops, you'll never win. I tell my kids do what they say as they have the power of life and death and there's isn't a court system that will not take their side. Be cooperative and don't be a smart S. You also have to sympathize with cops as they have a hard job to do. I know that there are bad apples in the service but every entity has them.
Years back we got a call about a sick person in the airport terminal and we had two people responding to the call. Listen, they came from the fire station that was between two runways and went up the passenger ramp and had to traverse the inspection area and the EMY in charge just barged in without going through the inspection area. He was stopped and even though they were the emergency responders with possibly a serious victim involved in the call it didn't matter to those stupid inspectors. What the heck, we had access to the WHOLE airport area, that is, taxiways, runways, tarmac and they get stopped because they didn't go through inspection. It's so stupid it's ridiculous. Our chief had to get him out of jail. LOL
The courts may rule against them, but you'll be dead (so, that's no good). It is best to cooperate (like you say) but don't self-incriminate. Get a lawyer and then fight back. But really, most of this stuff is because both the cop and the person are playing a game of machismo. Since the cops have the gun, let them win. In the end, usually the worst thing that can happen is that your pride will be hurt and you'll get a "stern warning", which is the way cops back down.
Beautiful post.
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - LSU04_08 - 03-21-2014 03:40 PM
(03-21-2014 11:00 AM)smn1256 Wrote: One night, a long time ago, I was heading to a bar to meet my friends. I was driving down a one way street and there was this car facing the wrong direction with its brights on which made it extremely hard for me to see where I was going. When I got near the car I could see a guy talking to a girl and they were laughing and assumed they were the ones who owned the car. As I was passing by, I yelled out "arsehole" just before seeing the car in question was a police car. I didn't get half a mile before a bunch of cops stopped me. They refused to tell me what I was being stopped for so I wouldn't let them go into my car. I was standing close to the driver's door when of the cops opened it and I nudged it back closed with my leg and that's when they jumped all over me. They threw me against the hood and dented it, tore apart the inside of my car, towed it away, and I was locked up over night courtesy of the Englewood, NJ police dept. I don't recall what they eventually charged me with, but I did plead guilty in court since it was the word of a bunch of cops against just me. After telling my story the judge told the DA to explain things to me and he pulled me outside and told me the judge wouldn't accept a guilty plea if I'm telling him I was actually innocent and that my case would have to go to trial. I ended up pleading guilty to something and got the hell out of there
Yep, we're at their discretion so we have to be courteous. It's unfair but there's no choice... I passed a champagne colored 90's model Tahoe and flipped it off because it pulled out in front of me and went real slow... Suddenly I saw flashing lights on it, pulled over, and when I saw they were cops, I just laughed, kept my hands in open sight, and said "Wow, you're kidding right? What a nice run of luck for me, that yall are undercover cops... (as I laughed in disbelief)" They laughed with me and told me to take care and let me go... So there ARE some cool ones, but the ass holes outweigh the cool cops.
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - LSU04_08 - 03-21-2014 03:48 PM
(03-21-2014 02:26 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:(03-21-2014 12:39 PM)olliebaba Wrote: It's stupid to fight the cops, you'll never win. I tell my kids do what they say as they have the power of life and death and there's isn't a court system that will not take their side. Be cooperative and don't be a smart S. You also have to sympathize with cops as they have a hard job to do. I know that there are bad apples in the service but every entity has them.
Years back we got a call about a sick person in the airport terminal and we had two people responding to the call. Listen, they came from the fire station that was between two runways and went up the passenger ramp and had to traverse the inspection area and the EMY in charge just barged in without going through the inspection area. He was stopped and even though they were the emergency responders with possibly a serious victim involved in the call it didn't matter to those stupid inspectors. What the heck, we had access to the WHOLE airport area, that is, taxiways, runways, tarmac and they get stopped because they didn't go through inspection. It's so stupid it's ridiculous. Our chief had to get him out of jail. LOL
The courts may rule against them, but you'll be dead (so, that's no good). It is best to cooperate (like you say) but don't self-incriminate. Get a lawyer and then fight back. But really, most of this stuff is because both the cop and the person are playing a game of machismo. Since the cops have the gun, let them win. In the end, usually the worst thing that can happen is that your pride will be hurt and you'll get a "stern warning", which is the way cops back down.
That's exactly right. In a situation like the OP, just be cooperative, even if you weren't doing anything wrong to begin with. I was lucky enough to go through my sarcastic "fuuck the po-leece" stage before they were jumpy and walking up to you with their hands on their gun just for not being buckled up, or being somewhere you didn't know was tresspassing. It's hard lesson to learn this way, but the kid will never forget it. And he sure as hell better hide any anguish he'll now have towards the cops.
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - ncbeta - 03-22-2014 01:20 AM
There are definitely some cool cops. Typically when you call them for help they're all good and happy to help. Probably because it's one of the more enjoyable jobs of a police officer. When you're a young person or stopped by a traffic cop, they're more then likely to be really assertive and abrasive. I've always cooperated, but even then I've gotten shafted. It's really annoying actually. I was charged with an underage DUI (when you aren't legally intoxicated but have had an alcoholic beverage under the age of 21 and proceeded to drive a vehicle) when I hadn't been drinking....and thanks to the way it was handled and a drunk passenger with an open container (unbeknownst to me in my vehicle) I had to use something here in NC that is basically and admission of guilt but they sweep it under the rug after 3 years. That one really ticked me off.
I take solace in the fact that I'm in grad school to become an officer in the military or a federal LEO and won't have to bust 19 year old kids balls all day. He works football games occasionally, I figure if I land a decent fed or mil job I might just ask him if he remembers me and then tell him what I do for a living. Too spiteful?
RE: KY Teen arrested and charged in response for using his rights - HeartOfDixie - 03-22-2014 01:37 AM
Cops are people. If you're nice then 99% of the time they will be as well. If they are short with you just remember, you don't have a job where people want to kill you.
Still, cops who abuse their authority need to be taken care of.