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Another Dem attacks education and people of color - DrTorch - 02-28-2014 10:19 AM
http://nypost.com/2014/02/27/bill-goes-ugly/
The left's hatred of people and success isn't even subtle anymore.
Care to comment mach? Preferably w/ some facts.
Quote:In cheering the mayor’s decision to take away space promised to three charter schools run by Eva Moskowitz — leaving hundreds of children without a school for next year — Bill de Blasio ally Bertha Lewis hailed it as justice: “Eva Moskowitz got away with murder for so long.”
Telling words indeed. Because what Eva Moskowitz “got away with” for so long was proving there are public schools in this city where black and Latino children learn and achieve. They are called charters.
You see, Eva’s public schools are based on excellence. Take Success Academy Harlem Central, one of the three Moskowitz-run schools targeted by de Blasio.
Ninety-seven percent of its students are children of color. Not only is it Harlem’s best middle school, last year its fifth graders ranked tops in the state for math. Here’s their reward: 210 students have just found themselves school-less for next year, with the local public alternatives being some of the lowest-performing middle schools in the state.
By targeting the public schools run by Moskowitz, the mayor clearly hopes to split the charter movement. But in so choosing, he revealed his true colors. Because he did not target one of the mediocre charters. Nor did he pretend he was taking away space from Eva’s kids because they weren’t learning.
To the contrary: De Blasio is taking the space away because these kids are learning.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - smn1256 - 02-28-2014 12:01 PM
This is just a political stunt to appease the unions. NYC is going to regret electing this guy.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - pharaoh0 - 02-28-2014 12:06 PM
These charters do so well, they have huge waitlists of parents that only want their kids to learn. The public unionized schools have failed them.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - DrTorch - 02-28-2014 12:26 PM
de Blasio knows that if these people are successfully educated, he'll lose his voter base.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - Crebman - 02-28-2014 02:21 PM
(02-28-2014 12:26 PM)DrTorch Wrote: de Blasio knows that if these people are successfully educated, he'll lose his voter base.
That, and I guarantee that somehow, someway, Union backed money will get funneled where de Blaiso wants it to go. 100% certain.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - GrayBeard - 02-28-2014 02:32 PM
Part of the new education bill..."No Child Gets Ahead".
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - pharaoh0 - 02-28-2014 02:51 PM
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Re-elect Comrade de Blasio
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - Lord Stanley - 02-28-2014 02:54 PM
I am going to really, really enjoy watching this DiBlasio dude. I mean, really, really enjoy the solipsistic self pity, the emotional incontinence, the idiomatic mantras, the twisted idealism..............
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - DrTorch - 02-28-2014 03:48 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/27/watch-infuriated-taxpayers-berate-school-superintendent-for-absurd-663365-salary-video/
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - Fitbud - 02-28-2014 05:41 PM
(02-28-2014 10:19 AM)DrTorch Wrote: http://nypost.com/2014/02/27/bill-goes-ugly/
The left's hatred of people and success isn't even subtle anymore.
Care to comment mach? Preferably w/ some facts.
Quote:In cheering the mayor’s decision to take away space promised to three charter schools run by Eva Moskowitz — leaving hundreds of children without a school for next year — Bill de Blasio ally Bertha Lewis hailed it as justice: “Eva Moskowitz got away with murder for so long.”
Telling words indeed. Because what Eva Moskowitz “got away with” for so long was proving there are public schools in this city where black and Latino children learn and achieve. They are called charters.
You see, Eva’s public schools are based on excellence. Take Success Academy Harlem Central, one of the three Moskowitz-run schools targeted by de Blasio.
Ninety-seven percent of its students are children of color. Not only is it Harlem’s best middle school, last year its fifth graders ranked tops in the state for math. Here’s their reward: 210 students have just found themselves school-less for next year, with the local public alternatives being some of the lowest-performing middle schools in the state.
By targeting the public schools run by Moskowitz, the mayor clearly hopes to split the charter movement. But in so choosing, he revealed his true colors. Because he did not target one of the mediocre charters. Nor did he pretend he was taking away space from Eva’s kids because they weren’t learning.
To the contrary: De Blasio is taking the space away because these kids are learning.
Do these schools have the option of refusing students who do not perform well? Are they required to accept every child within a mile of their school?
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - pharaoh0 - 02-28-2014 06:02 PM
(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Do these schools have the option of refusing students who do not perform well?
I guess they could, but they accept students using a random lottery. So, no. Once the kid gets in, the do well...so, they are not later "refused".
(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Are they required to accept every child within a mile of their school?
I think they would like to help as many kids as possible. But, since they are outspent per pupil by the gov't run schools and they don't have an endless supply of taxpayer money, no. Last time I looked there were several applications for every open slot. I think they take donations if you want to help them achieve that goal.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - Fitbud - 03-01-2014 12:58 PM
(02-28-2014 06:02 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Do these schools have the option of refusing students who do not perform well?
I guess they could, but they accept students using a random lottery. So, no. Once the kid gets in, the do well...so, they are not later "refused".
(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Are they required to accept every child within a mile of their school?
I think they would like to help as many kids as possible. But, since they are outspent per pupil by the gov't run schools and they don't have an endless supply of taxpayer money, no. Last time I looked there were several applications for every open slot. I think they take donations if you want to help them achieve that goal.
That is the crux of the matter.
Any school can have success when they get to pick who they teach and how many children they teach.
I currently have 140 students. I'd like to see them have that kind of success with class loads of 34 like I have.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - DrTorch - 03-01-2014 12:59 PM
(03-01-2014 12:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(02-28-2014 06:02 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Do these schools have the option of refusing students who do not perform well?
I guess they could, but they accept students using a random lottery. So, no. Once the kid gets in, the do well...so, they are not later "refused".
(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Are they required to accept every child within a mile of their school?
I think they would like to help as many kids as possible. But, since they are outspent per pupil by the gov't run schools and they don't have an endless supply of taxpayer money, no. Last time I looked there were several applications for every open slot. I think they take donations if you want to help them achieve that goal.
That is the crux of the matter.
Not at all. But keep making excuses...
Quote:I currently have 140 students. I'd like to see them have that kind of success with class loads of 34 like I have.
I see you already are.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - Fitbud - 03-02-2014 02:41 AM
(03-01-2014 12:59 PM)DrTorch Wrote:(03-01-2014 12:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(02-28-2014 06:02 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Do these schools have the option of refusing students who do not perform well?
I guess they could, but they accept students using a random lottery. So, no. Once the kid gets in, the do well...so, they are not later "refused".
(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Are they required to accept every child within a mile of their school?
I think they would like to help as many kids as possible. But, since they are outspent per pupil by the gov't run schools and they don't have an endless supply of taxpayer money, no. Last time I looked there were several applications for every open slot. I think they take donations if you want to help them achieve that goal.
That is the crux of the matter.
Not at all. But keep making excuses...
Quote:I currently have 140 students. I'd like to see them have that kind of success with class loads of 34 like I have.
I see you already are.
My students typically score in the top five among schools in my district even though we are a title 1 school.
It's easy to claim that a school is performing miracles when they get to pick and choose their children and class sizes.
If you want to impress me then let's see you have that kind of success under the restrictions place upon you by the state.
We are practically hog tied and thrown into the classroom.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - pharaoh0 - 03-02-2014 02:47 AM
(03-01-2014 12:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(02-28-2014 06:02 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Do these schools have the option of refusing students who do not perform well?
I guess they could, but they accept students using a random lottery. So, no. Once the kid gets in, the do well...so, they are not later "refused".
(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Are they required to accept every child within a mile of their school?
I think they would like to help as many kids as possible. But, since they are outspent per pupil by the gov't run schools and they don't have an endless supply of taxpayer money, no. Last time I looked there were several applications for every open slot. I think they take donations if you want to help them achieve that goal.
That is the crux of the matter.
Any school can have success when they get to pick who they teach and how many children they teach.
I currently have 140 students. I'd like to see them have that kind of success with class loads of 34 like I have.
What is the crux of the matter? They don't pick and choose who they teach. They have a random lottery. And, they educate for less per pupil than the state. Please stop with the tired union lines.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - Fitbud - 03-02-2014 02:53 AM
(03-02-2014 02:47 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:(03-01-2014 12:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(02-28-2014 06:02 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Do these schools have the option of refusing students who do not perform well?
I guess they could, but they accept students using a random lottery. So, no. Once the kid gets in, the do well...so, they are not later "refused".
(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Are they required to accept every child within a mile of their school?
I think they would like to help as many kids as possible. But, since they are outspent per pupil by the gov't run schools and they don't have an endless supply of taxpayer money, no. Last time I looked there were several applications for every open slot. I think they take donations if you want to help them achieve that goal.
That is the crux of the matter.
Any school can have success when they get to pick who they teach and how many children they teach.
I currently have 140 students. I'd like to see them have that kind of success with class loads of 34 like I have.
What is the crux of the matter? They don't pick and choose who they teach. They have a random lottery. And, they educate for less per pupil than the state. Please stop with the tired union lines.
But they do pick and choose who they teach because any of those kids that they do pick randomly can be removed from the school if they don't make the grade.
Public schools have no such option. Public schools must take every child within their borders regardless of performance, motivation, IQ level ...etc. etc.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - pharaoh0 - 03-02-2014 08:49 AM
(03-02-2014 02:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(03-02-2014 02:47 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:(03-01-2014 12:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(02-28-2014 06:02 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Do these schools have the option of refusing students who do not perform well?
I guess they could, but they accept students using a random lottery. So, no. Once the kid gets in, the do well...so, they are not later "refused".
(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Are they required to accept every child within a mile of their school?
I think they would like to help as many kids as possible. But, since they are outspent per pupil by the gov't run schools and they don't have an endless supply of taxpayer money, no. Last time I looked there were several applications for every open slot. I think they take donations if you want to help them achieve that goal.
That is the crux of the matter.
Any school can have success when they get to pick who they teach and how many children they teach.
I currently have 140 students. I'd like to see them have that kind of success with class loads of 34 like I have.
What is the crux of the matter? They don't pick and choose who they teach. They have a random lottery. And, they educate for less per pupil than the state. Please stop with the tired union lines.
But they do pick and choose who they teach because any of those kids that they do pick randomly can be removed from the school if they don't make the grade.
Public schools have no such option. Public schools must take every child within their borders regardless of performance, motivation, IQ level ...etc. etc.
I have never heard of that Academy kicking a kid out for not making the grade. Also, random lottery means they are taking in the same kinds of students. If your union has PROOF otherwise, pray tell. This is usually part of the propaganda the teacher's union puts out to explain why they can't educate the same kids at a more money. Because, let's not get away from the fact that these are kids from failing schools. If the child was in a good school, they would not be at a charter school lottery.
And if YOU can do so well with the children you have, why can't your colleagues? Unlike the unionized public school teachers, charter schools do not protect underperforming teachers. If they can't teach, they're out.
And let me say this. I used to go to these failing schools. Not the mediocre ones, the failing ones. And I can tell you from my experience that a large majority of the teachers either didn't give a damn or were merely angling at a transfer to a better school -- ASAP. Most of the parents don't care and so the teachers follow suit. That's why parents go to these charter schools. Instead of being happy that there is an alternative for these desperate parents of children that have been failed by public schools, you sit here trying to find a way to bash them or make their accomplishments (with the students you have failed to teach) look less than stellar. This is the problem I have always had with the teacher's union and the public school system. With all of the money available, we are still worried about pay and dues and not about the education of the child. If they really cared, they would put down their petty differences and help and/or learn from these charter schools in order to better help our children.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - QuestionSocratic - 03-02-2014 09:02 AM
If the student is motivated to working hard and the parents support the child, why shouldn't there be an option for them to escape the schools that are hindered because: "Public schools must take every child within their borders regardless of performance, motivation, IQ level ...etc. etc."
Shouldn't society provide the framework whereby the student that can succeed, does? The students that, by your own admission, lack the parental support, the IQ, the motivation, etc., etc., can remain in the public schools. Then committed teachers, such as you, can try to help them, because they surely aren't capable of helping themselves.
We need to cultivate the best and the brightest, not condemn them to wallow with the rest.
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - DrTorch - 03-02-2014 01:54 PM
(03-02-2014 02:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:(03-01-2014 12:59 PM)DrTorch Wrote:(03-01-2014 12:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:(02-28-2014 06:02 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Do these schools have the option of refusing students who do not perform well?
I guess they could, but they accept students using a random lottery. So, no. Once the kid gets in, the do well...so, they are not later "refused".
(02-28-2014 05:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Are they required to accept every child within a mile of their school?
I think they would like to help as many kids as possible. But, since they are outspent per pupil by the gov't run schools and they don't have an endless supply of taxpayer money, no. Last time I looked there were several applications for every open slot. I think they take donations if you want to help them achieve that goal.
That is the crux of the matter.
Not at all. But keep making excuses...
Quote:I currently have 140 students. I'd like to see them have that kind of success with class loads of 34 like I have.
I see you already are.
My students typically score in the top five among schools in my district even though we are a title 1 school.
Sure they do.
Quote:It's easy to claim that a school is performing miracles
Like you just did?
The big difference of course is that the NYC schools have proof of their success.
Quote:If you want to impress me
No one cares about a semi-literate thug like you.
Quote:We are practically hog tied and thrown into the classroom.
And once again w/ the excuses. From the same whiner who wonders why teachers aren't "heroes" anymore.
Maybe you should learn to f'n read first!
RE: Another Dem attacks education and people of color - Crebman - 03-02-2014 02:13 PM
(03-02-2014 09:02 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: If the student is motivated to working hard and the parents support the child, why shouldn't there be an option for them to escape the schools that are hindered because: "Public schools must take every child within their borders regardless of performance, motivation, IQ level ...etc. etc."
Shouldn't society provide the framework whereby the student that can succeed, does? The students that, by your own admission, lack the parental support, the IQ, the motivation, etc., etc., can remain in the public schools. Then committed teachers, such as you, can try to help them, because they surely aren't capable of helping themselves.
We need to cultivate the best and the brightest, not condemn them to wallow with the rest.
I actually understand why a public school teacher would lament having a classroom of kids show up that didn't want be there, had low IQ's and no parental support. It really is a tough gig when there are too many kids that fit the above, yet you are to be judged by their progress.
As QS has stated - where US education has failed is in not taking those "best and brightest" and putting them in a learning environment that facilitates, not hinders, their learning.
I actually think that most teachers could live with having the miscreants as students as long as the expected results factor in the group being taught.
Unfortunately, those calling the shots on education often have never been near a classroom other that "when I went to school". They push "one size fits all" requirements because it's easier and ignore several "Elephants in the room" that can make effective learning damn near impossible.
I mean, any system set up where the expected outcomes push spending our time and resources on the dumbest, least motivated kids is doomed to fail - yet that's exactly what we are doing.