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Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - SumOfAllFears - 12-18-2013 11:52 AM
Senate GOP fails in final bid to block military pension cuts in budget bill
Quote:A final effort by Senate Republicans to halt cuts to pensions of military retirees failed late Tuesday, after Democrats blocked an amendment to the controversial budget bill.
The two-year budget agreement, which cleared a key test vote earlier in the day, was expected to get a final vote no later than Wednesday.
Ahead of the final vote, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., tried unsuccessfully to use a parliamentary tactic to force a vote on the amendment, which he wrote to undo the cuts for military retirees.
A provision in the already House-passed bill would cut retirement benefits for military retirees by $6 billion over 10 years.
Sessions wanted to instead eliminate an estimated $4.2 billion in annual spending by reining in an IRS credit that illegal immigrants have claimed.
He and fellow senators argued the bill unfairly sticks veterans and other military retirees with the cost of new spending.
“It’s not correct, and it should not happen,” Sessions said on the floor.
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - smn1256 - 12-18-2013 12:00 PM
Can't believe those idiot liberals did this with an election coming up. Meanwhile, Obama is getting ready to take another expensive Hawaiian vacation and make everyone who works with him spend the holidays away from their families during the holidays. Prick.
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - oklalittledixie - 12-18-2013 12:06 PM
I hate the Democrats to no end.
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - HeartOfDixie - 12-18-2013 12:10 PM
It plays to their base while undermining that of the Republicans.
It's no wonder they did it.
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - SumOfAllFears - 12-18-2013 12:14 PM
Since we are looking at $4.2 billion in annual spending for illegal immigrants and $6.2 billion over 10 years for the Military it really does go to show, in stark contrast, who matters to the Dems.
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - EpicNiner - 12-18-2013 01:30 PM
Republicans complain when the Democratic majority Senate won't pass a bill from the Republican majority House. Then, the Democratic majority Senate does pass a bill from the Republican majority House and the Republicans still complain. I'm confused.
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - smn1256 - 12-18-2013 01:42 PM
(12-18-2013 12:14 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: Since we are looking at $4.2 billion in annual spending for illegal immigrants and $6.2 billion over 10 years for the Military it really does go to show, in stark contrast, who matters to the Dems.
The budget to run the White House this year was $1.4 billion. That's billion with a B.
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - Jerry Falwell - 12-18-2013 01:45 PM
You guys still question my Coup d'Etat theory?
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - CliftonAve - 12-18-2013 02:35 PM
(12-18-2013 01:45 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote: You guys still question my Coup d'Etat theory?
The country's forefathers would do it. As Jefferson once said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - SumOfAllFears - 12-18-2013 05:04 PM
This is the thumb in the eye to Republicans. Obama and Reid sending a message at the expense of our military. These are earned benefits cuts the CinC is going to sign off on.
Meanwhile the debt ceiling looms ever larger.
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - GoApps70 - 12-18-2013 05:10 PM
Personally with what has been going on in Washington, I wouldn't pass a bill to fund a cup of coffee.
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - QuestionSocratic - 12-18-2013 05:38 PM
(12-18-2013 01:45 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote: You guys still question my Coup d'Etat theory?
Once the Republicans take the Senate in 2014, and increase their majority in the House, they can begin impeachment proceedings using the various violations of enacted legislation that the administration committed by unilaterally changing the statutory requirements. Eg. delaying the corporate portion of Obamacare until 2014; giving unions an out on Obamacare; not to mention the IRS scandal (which isn't over by any means); even the use of drones. There are many others and the preponderance of violations will allow for articles of impeachment to be drawn. The House has already prepared civil actions against the Pres for some of these acts.
Will it happen? Of course not but it could.
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - DaSaintFan - 12-18-2013 11:31 PM
apparently, it's again a case of "You have to pass the bill to know what's in the bill"...
From the Bill Co-sponsor:
Quote:On Wednesday, Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), who brokered the budget deal with Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), claimed the cuts to disabled veterans benefits were "mistakenly" included in the agreement and vowed to rectify the "unintended inclusion"
how do you put something in a bill _unintentionally_?
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - SumOfAllFears - 12-18-2013 11:50 PM
(12-18-2013 11:31 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote: apparently, it's again a case of "You have to pass the bill to know what's in the bill"...
From the Bill Co-sponsor:
Quote:On Wednesday, Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), who brokered the budget deal with Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), claimed the cuts to disabled veterans benefits were "mistakenly" included in the agreement and vowed to rectify the "unintended inclusion"
how do you put something in a bill _unintentionally_?
Wordspeak for "This will negativity affect my re-election".
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - Pyrizzo - 12-19-2013 07:35 AM
(12-18-2013 11:50 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:(12-18-2013 11:31 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote: apparently, it's again a case of "You have to pass the bill to know what's in the bill"...
From the Bill Co-sponsor:
Quote:On Wednesday, Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), who brokered the budget deal with Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), claimed the cuts to disabled veterans benefits were "mistakenly" included in the agreement and vowed to rectify the "unintended inclusion"
how do you put something in a bill _unintentionally_?
Wordspeak for "This will negativity affect my re-election".
She's trying to unsuccessfully pull off the "I didn't know" excuse. You know, the one the O himself trademarked.
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - gdunn - 12-19-2013 05:18 PM
I wonder when congressional retirement cuts will begin?
RE: Dems Election Choice: Cut Military Earned Pensions, Give it to Illegal Immigrants - DaSaintFan - 12-19-2013 07:10 PM
Ryan's not out of the woods on this either btw: Breitbart News says Ryan and his staff knew it was in there as well, as they scrubbed a memo that said military benefits wouldn't be cut. So they scrubbed it after they knew it was in there and pushed the bill anyway.
Partisanship! See it works in screwing over our military from both sides of the aisle!