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RE: ECU and the SEC - Carolina_Low_Country - 09-10-2016 05:37 PM
(09-10-2016 03:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Aren't most of those against poor NC ACC teams?
Maybe but at least if the SEC expands they can get the best program in the state.
RE: ECU and the SEC - HeartOfDixie - 09-10-2016 06:45 PM
(09-10-2016 05:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:(09-10-2016 03:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Aren't most of those against poor NC ACC teams?
Maybe but at least if the SEC expands they can get the best program in the state.
Touche
RE: ECU and the SEC - AubTiger16 - 09-10-2016 09:21 PM
(09-10-2016 05:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:(09-10-2016 03:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Aren't most of those against poor NC ACC teams?
Maybe but at least if the SEC expands they can get the best program in the state.
Expansion is more than just about football.
But, because I need to post something here.
ECU vs UNC- 4-11
ECU vs NC State- 12-16
ECU vs Wake Forest- 2-6
ECU vs Duke- 5-5
RE: ECU and the SEC - Carolina_Low_Country - 09-10-2016 09:50 PM
(09-10-2016 09:21 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:(09-10-2016 05:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:(09-10-2016 03:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Aren't most of those against poor NC ACC teams?
Maybe but at least if the SEC expands they can get the best program in the state.
Expansion is more than just about football.
But, because I need to post something here.
ECU vs UNC- 4-11
ECU vs NC State- 12-16
ECU vs Wake Forest- 2-6
ECU vs Duke- 5-5
Break it down to the last ten years then come back. We had 60000 in the stadium today they will not announce that but it is true. We will have the largest enrollment be in North Carolina in four years and will be the school for the state. On top of the that we dominate the state in football.
RE: ECU and the SEC - HeartOfDixie - 09-10-2016 10:47 PM
The, "but what about lately" argument isn't a very good one.
Realignment is a long term issue, not short term.
RE: ECU and the SEC - Starfox207 - 09-10-2016 11:08 PM
I completely Agree HeartofDixie,
Long Term is going to get ugggglyyy for some UNC Duke Wake and NC ST, and unfortunately UNCC and APP ST as well with football against us.
Long Term ECU will trump those Stats, and earn it baby!
RE: ECU and the SEC - AubTiger16 - 09-10-2016 11:28 PM
(09-10-2016 09:50 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:(09-10-2016 09:21 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:(09-10-2016 05:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:(09-10-2016 03:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Aren't most of those against poor NC ACC teams?
Maybe but at least if the SEC expands they can get the best program in the state.
Expansion is more than just about football.
But, because I need to post something here.
ECU vs UNC- 4-11
ECU vs NC State- 12-16
ECU vs Wake Forest- 2-6
ECU vs Duke- 5-5
Break it down to the last ten years then come back. We had 60000 in the stadium today they will not announce that but it is true. We will have the largest enrollment be in North Carolina in four years and will be the school for the state. On top of the that we dominate the state in football.
I'll do 15 and 10 for you.
ECU vs the Big 4 NC schools 15 year W/L record- 7-13
ECU vs the Big 4 NC schools 10 year W/L record 6-6.
That's domination?
Attendance 15 year avg:
37,871.
W/L last 15 years:
89-89 (Including your 2 wins from this year)
Conference finishes last 15 years:
2002- 7th C-USA
2003- 10th C-USA
2004- 10th C-USA
2005- 4th C-USA East
2006- 2nd C-USA East
2007- 2nd C-USA East
2008- 1st C-USA East (Won Conference Championship)
2009- 1st C-USA East (Won Conference Championship)
2010- 2nd C-USA East
2011- 3rd C-USA East
2012- 2nd C-USA East
2013- 2nd C-USA East
2014- 4th American
2015- 5th American East
2016- ?
Bowl Games Last 15 Years:
2-6 overall. (2016 in progress)
Top 25 finishes last 15 years:
0
Just please stop before you hurt yourself.
ECU has good fan support. You're decent overall, but please quit pretending you're something that you're not. I wish ECU the best and hope you guys do well but I don't see anything that tells me you're as spectacular as you are making yourself out to be.
You have potential though, I do believe that!
RE: ECU and the SEC - Indiana Bones - 09-11-2016 01:15 AM
(09-10-2016 11:28 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:(09-10-2016 09:50 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:(09-10-2016 09:21 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:(09-10-2016 05:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:(09-10-2016 03:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Aren't most of those against poor NC ACC teams?
Maybe but at least if the SEC expands they can get the best program in the state.
Expansion is more than just about football.
But, because I need to post something here.
ECU vs UNC- 4-11
ECU vs NC State- 12-16
ECU vs Wake Forest- 2-6
ECU vs Duke- 5-5
Break it down to the last ten years then come back. We had 60000 in the stadium today they will not announce that but it is true. We will have the largest enrollment be in North Carolina in four years and will be the school for the state. On top of the that we dominate the state in football.
I'll do 15 and 10 for you.
ECU vs the Big 4 NC schools 15 year W/L record- 7-13
ECU vs the Big 4 NC schools 10 year W/L record 6-6.
That's domination?
Attendance 15 year avg:
37,871.
W/L last 15 years:
89-89 (Including your 2 wins from this year)
Conference finishes last 15 years:
2002- 7th C-USA
2003- 10th C-USA
2004- 10th C-USA
2005- 4th C-USA East
2006- 2nd C-USA East
2007- 2nd C-USA East
2008- 1st C-USA East (Won Conference Championship)
2009- 1st C-USA East (Won Conference Championship)
2010- 2nd C-USA East
2011- 3rd C-USA East
2012- 2nd C-USA East
2013- 2nd C-USA East
2014- 4th American
2015- 5th American East
2016- ?
Bowl Games Last 15 Years:
2-6 overall. (2016 in progress)
Top 25 finishes last 15 years:
0
Just please stop before you hurt yourself.
ECU has good fan support. You're decent overall, but please quit pretending you're something that you're not. I wish ECU the best and hope you guys do well but I don't see anything that tells me you're as spectacular as you are making yourself out to be.
You have potential though, I do believe that!
Of course reply #666 had to be a negative one.
RE: ECU and the SEC - AubTiger16 - 09-11-2016 01:53 AM
(09-11-2016 01:15 AM)Indiana Bones Wrote:(09-10-2016 11:28 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:(09-10-2016 09:50 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:(09-10-2016 09:21 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:(09-10-2016 05:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote: Maybe but at least if the SEC expands they can get the best program in the state.
Expansion is more than just about football.
But, because I need to post something here.
ECU vs UNC- 4-11
ECU vs NC State- 12-16
ECU vs Wake Forest- 2-6
ECU vs Duke- 5-5
Break it down to the last ten years then come back. We had 60000 in the stadium today they will not announce that but it is true. We will have the largest enrollment be in North Carolina in four years and will be the school for the state. On top of the that we dominate the state in football.
I'll do 15 and 10 for you.
ECU vs the Big 4 NC schools 15 year W/L record- 7-13
ECU vs the Big 4 NC schools 10 year W/L record 6-6.
That's domination?
Attendance 15 year avg:
37,871.
W/L last 15 years:
89-89 (Including your 2 wins from this year)
Conference finishes last 15 years:
2002- 7th C-USA
2003- 10th C-USA
2004- 10th C-USA
2005- 4th C-USA East
2006- 2nd C-USA East
2007- 2nd C-USA East
2008- 1st C-USA East (Won Conference Championship)
2009- 1st C-USA East (Won Conference Championship)
2010- 2nd C-USA East
2011- 3rd C-USA East
2012- 2nd C-USA East
2013- 2nd C-USA East
2014- 4th American
2015- 5th American East
2016- ?
Bowl Games Last 15 Years:
2-6 overall. (2016 in progress)
Top 25 finishes last 15 years:
0
Just please stop before you hurt yourself.
ECU has good fan support. You're decent overall, but please quit pretending you're something that you're not. I wish ECU the best and hope you guys do well but I don't see anything that tells me you're as spectacular as you are making yourself out to be.
You have potential though, I do believe that!
Of course reply #666 had to be a negative one.
#667 on mine lol.
I'm not trying to be negative at all. I do believe ECU has potential. My only issue is a lot of these claims a couple of ECU fans are making.
For example:
1. Dominating the State of North Carolina in football.
2. Will become the SCHOOL in North Carolina.
3. Can deliver the entire state of North Carolina.
4. Can guarantee 70,000+ fans per game avg (Even though the 15 year avg is 33.7k and the 10 year is like 43k. I'm not saying it can't happen but guaranteeing it with nothing to back it up is my point)
I think ECU is a pretty solid program, but some of the comments have been absurd lol.
Also, as an alibi I didn't put anything that was untrue. I posted just actual facts.
RE: ECU and the SEC - oasispirate - 09-11-2016 10:00 PM
(09-10-2016 09:21 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:(09-10-2016 05:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:(09-10-2016 03:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Aren't most of those against poor NC ACC teams?
Maybe but at least if the SEC expands they can get the best program in the state.
Expansion is more than just about football.
But, because I need to post something here.
ECU vs UNC- 4-11
ECU vs NC State- 12-16
ECU vs Wake Forest- 2-6
ECU vs Duke- 5-5
Now for a little context for those records. ECU is 13-16 vs NC State alltime.
Of those 29 games
4 were played in Greenville we're 3-1
3 were neutral site we're 2-1
22 were played in Raleigh we're 8-14
Date Location Winner Score
1 October 10, 1970 Raleigh, NC NC State 23–6
2 October 23, 1971 Raleigh, NC East Carolina 31–15
3 October 21, 1972 Raleigh, NC NC State 38–16
4 September 8, 1973 Raleigh, NC NC State 57–8
5 October 5, 1974 Raleigh, NC NC State 24–20
6 September 6, 1975 Raleigh, NC NC State 26–3
7 September 18, 1976 Raleigh, NC East Carolina 23–14
8 September 3, 1977 Raleigh, NC East Carolina 28–23
9 September 9, 1978 Raleigh, NC NC State 29–13
10 September 8, 1979 Raleigh, NC NC State 34–20
11 November 11, 1980 Raleigh, NC NC State 36–14
12 September 19, 1981 Raleigh, NC NC State 31–10
13 September 11, 1982 Raleigh, NC NC State 33–26
14 September 10, 1983 Raleigh, NC East Carolina 22–16
15 September 29, 1984 Raleigh, NC NC State 31–22
# Date Location Winner Score
16 September 7, 1985 Raleigh, NC East Carolina 33–14
17 September 6, 1986 Raleigh, NC NC State 38–10
18 September 5, 1987 Raleigh, NC East Carolina 32–14
19 January 1, 1992 Atlanta, GA East Carolina 37–34
20 November 30, 1996 Charlotte, NC East Carolina 50–29
21 November 22, 1997 Raleigh, NC NC State 37–24
22 November 20, 1999 Greenville, NC East Carolina 23–6
23 November 27, 2004 Charlotte, NC NC State 52–14
24 November 25, 2006 Raleigh, NC East Carolina 21–16
25 October 20, 2007 Greenville, NC NC State 34–20
26 September 20, 2008 Raleigh, NC NC State 30–24OT
27 October 16, 2010 Greenville, NC East Carolina 33–30OT
28 November 23, 2013 Raleigh, NC East Carolina 42–28
29 September 10, 2016 Greenville, NC East Carolina 33–30
Series: NC State leads 16–13
Wake forest we just happened to catch most of those games in their "golden era" and we were down.
RE: ECU and the SEC - AllTideUp - 09-11-2016 10:12 PM
When judging ECU's track record, it's only fair to talk about their primary disadvantage...
They haven't had the money or the exposure of a Power league like the other NC schools have had. It's relevant because outside of UNC and Duke basketball, I don't see a great deal of excellence coming out of any of the NC schools athletically speaking. ECU is slightly behind or roughly equal in all the important areas despite their significant disadvantage.
I think we can glean two things from that.
1. For all the money and exposure the other NC schools have had at their disposal, they haven't really taken advantage of it.
2. Remove that disadvantage and it's likely ECU becomes at least the equal of the other major programs.
RE: ECU and the SEC - AubTiger16 - 09-12-2016 12:01 AM
(09-11-2016 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: When judging ECU's track record, it's only fair to talk about their primary disadvantage...
They haven't had the money or the exposure of a Power league like the other NC schools have had. It's relevant because outside of UNC and Duke basketball, I don't see a great deal of excellence coming out of any of the NC schools athletically speaking. ECU is slightly behind or roughly equal in all the important areas despite their significant disadvantage.
I think we can glean two things from that.
1. For all the money and exposure the other NC schools have had at their disposal, they haven't really taken advantage of it.
2. Remove that disadvantage and it's likely ECU becomes at least the equal of the other major programs.
Sure, when comparing them. My response is based directly to the fans who state they are currently the best program in the state. Also, because I knew some would argue that. I posted their other stats that you can debate if you want. ECU isn't a horrible program by any means, but you gotta admit some of these claims are ridiculous. The more rationale fans are awesome to talk with.
RE: ECU and the SEC - oasispirate - 09-12-2016 09:56 AM
(09-12-2016 12:01 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:(09-11-2016 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: When judging ECU's track record, it's only fair to talk about their primary disadvantage...
They haven't had the money or the exposure of a Power league like the other NC schools have had. It's relevant because outside of UNC and Duke basketball, I don't see a great deal of excellence coming out of any of the NC schools athletically speaking. ECU is slightly behind or roughly equal in all the important areas despite their significant disadvantage.
I think we can glean two things from that.
1. For all the money and exposure the other NC schools have had at their disposal, they haven't really taken advantage of it.
2. Remove that disadvantage and it's likely ECU becomes at least the equal of the other major programs.
Sure, when comparing them. My response is based directly to the fans who state they are currently the best program in the state. Also, because I knew some would argue that. I posted their other stats that you can debate if you want. ECU isn't a horrible program by any means, but you gotta admit some of these claims are ridiculous. The more rationale fans are awesome to talk with.
What claim is ridiculous?
RE: ECU and the SEC - AllTideUp - 09-12-2016 11:18 AM
(09-12-2016 12:01 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:(09-11-2016 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: When judging ECU's track record, it's only fair to talk about their primary disadvantage...
They haven't had the money or the exposure of a Power league like the other NC schools have had. It's relevant because outside of UNC and Duke basketball, I don't see a great deal of excellence coming out of any of the NC schools athletically speaking. ECU is slightly behind or roughly equal in all the important areas despite their significant disadvantage.
I think we can glean two things from that.
1. For all the money and exposure the other NC schools have had at their disposal, they haven't really taken advantage of it.
2. Remove that disadvantage and it's likely ECU becomes at least the equal of the other major programs.
Sure, when comparing them. My response is based directly to the fans who state they are currently the best program in the state. Also, because I knew some would argue that. I posted their other stats that you can debate if you want. ECU isn't a horrible program by any means, but you gotta admit some of these claims are ridiculous. The more rationale fans are awesome to talk with.
No, that's fair.
I don't think they're the best program in the state. I can forgive them for being optimistic though because there is so much untapped potential.
RE: ECU and the SEC - AubTiger16 - 09-12-2016 11:44 AM
(09-12-2016 11:18 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:(09-12-2016 12:01 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:(09-11-2016 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: When judging ECU's track record, it's only fair to talk about their primary disadvantage...
They haven't had the money or the exposure of a Power league like the other NC schools have had. It's relevant because outside of UNC and Duke basketball, I don't see a great deal of excellence coming out of any of the NC schools athletically speaking. ECU is slightly behind or roughly equal in all the important areas despite their significant disadvantage.
I think we can glean two things from that.
1. For all the money and exposure the other NC schools have had at their disposal, they haven't really taken advantage of it.
2. Remove that disadvantage and it's likely ECU becomes at least the equal of the other major programs.
Sure, when comparing them. My response is based directly to the fans who state they are currently the best program in the state. Also, because I knew some would argue that. I posted their other stats that you can debate if you want. ECU isn't a horrible program by any means, but you gotta admit some of these claims are ridiculous. The more rationale fans are awesome to talk with.
No, that's fair.
I don't think they're the best program in the state. I can forgive them for being optimistic though because there is so much untapped potential.
I 100% agree on their potential. ECU in the SEC could become the best football program in the state of North Carolina. Even with that though, I don't see them overtaking all 4 of the other Big 4 and dominating the state in all aspects.
RE: ECU and the SEC - AubTiger16 - 09-12-2016 11:46 AM
(09-12-2016 09:56 AM)oasispirate Wrote:(09-12-2016 12:01 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:(09-11-2016 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: When judging ECU's track record, it's only fair to talk about their primary disadvantage...
They haven't had the money or the exposure of a Power league like the other NC schools have had. It's relevant because outside of UNC and Duke basketball, I don't see a great deal of excellence coming out of any of the NC schools athletically speaking. ECU is slightly behind or roughly equal in all the important areas despite their significant disadvantage.
I think we can glean two things from that.
1. For all the money and exposure the other NC schools have had at their disposal, they haven't really taken advantage of it.
2. Remove that disadvantage and it's likely ECU becomes at least the equal of the other major programs.
Sure, when comparing them. My response is based directly to the fans who state they are currently the best program in the state. Also, because I knew some would argue that. I posted their other stats that you can debate if you want. ECU isn't a horrible program by any means, but you gotta admit some of these claims are ridiculous. The more rationale fans are awesome to talk with.
What claim is ridiculous?
Not claim. I said claims. They're listed in my previous posts.
RE: ECU and the SEC - HeartOfDixie - 09-12-2016 02:54 PM
I think claiming to be the best program in the state is wildly optimistic as it is.
RE: ECU and the SEC - oasispirate - 09-12-2016 05:54 PM
(09-12-2016 02:54 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: I think claiming to be the best program in the state is wildly optimistic as it is.
Don't think we unanimously claim that. I will say we probably field the best team in NC once out of every 3 years or so. That's 30-40% on the time, and this is nothing new it goes back 25 years.
As far as programs, facilities and such of course NCSU and UNC have the best facilities with their P5 money.
Our fanbase is at worst 3rd, Duke and Wake Forest are really irrelevant in that regard. In fact App St's fanbase is probably more rabid than either for football.
UNC just isn't a football school. They have #'s but their gameday experience is horrible. NCSU has a big rabid following, they just can't get it going consistently.
But in the end, give us their advantages and all of the recruits they take out of our backyard would be ours. Or at least most of them.
RE: ECU and the SEC - B easy - 09-13-2016 12:32 AM
I don't find it optimistic that ECU currently has the best football program in the state. It's actually true. UNC only has last year to hang their hat on and they never beat anybody. The AAC is almost as good as the ACC (had a winning record head-to-head last year). They're a myth. Without the media exposure/bias they are no better of a program.
ECU has outscored UNC by 60 points the last 2 times we played them in 2013 & 2014. ECU has now beaten NCSU 3x in a row and the ACC 6x in a row (only Clemson has a longer ACC winning streak) & ECU will even try to claim Virginia by going for 3 in a row over VT next week right after we take on the Gamecocks this weekend. I really like the direction of the program with an energetic, intelligent young coach and state of the art stadium renovations and expansion on the horizon.
Check out the game day highlight video below from this past Saturday to see an already SEC ready stadium experience. 51k on hand but at least 3x more raucous and passionate than any other in our state.
If ECU was in a power conference then every part of NC would be much more interested in whatever league scooped us up. Viewership and thus the entire state of NC can be delivered. We are nearly the biggest school in NC (just under 30k) and we have large alumni in Charlotte, RDU & even VA Tidewater area. Just look on NCSU and even UNC's (we haven't even played them in 2 years) message boards to see if they watch our games or care about what we're doing. If ECU achieved power status it would wake everybody up in NC that hasn't already caught on to what we have brewing in Greenville.
RE: ECU and the SEC - vandiver49 - 09-13-2016 03:18 AM
(09-13-2016 12:32 AM)B easy Wrote: If ECU was in a power conference then every part of NC would be much more interested in whatever league scooped us up. Viewership and thus the entire state of NC can be delivered. We are nearly the biggest school in NC (just under 30k) and we have large alumni in Charlotte, RDU & even VA Tidewater area. Just look on NCSU and even UNC's (we haven't even played them in 2 years) message boards to see if they watch our games or care about what we're doing. If ECU achieved power status it would wake everybody up in NC that hasn't already caught on to what we have brewing in Greenville.
Slow down. Not even UGA, UT or LSU deliver the entire state. But even if P5 elevation would cause ECU to spike, that is even more reason for ESPN to ensure you don't damage their Tobacco Road brands.