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Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - WPDAWG08 - 10-31-2013 02:40 PM
Mitragyna speciosa (kratom, kratum, krathom, Thai: กระท่อม)[2] is a tropical deciduous and evergreen tree in the coffee family (Rubiaceae) native to Southeast Asia in the Indochina and Malesia floristic regions. Its leaves are used for medicinal properties. It is psychoactive, and leaves are chewed to uplift mood and to treat health problems.[3] M. speciosa is indigenous to Thailand and, despite growing naturally in the country, has been outlawed for 70 years and was originally banned because it was reducing the Thai government's tax revenue from opium distribution.[3]
Kratom behaves as a μ-opioid receptor agonist like morphine[4] and is used in the management of chronic pain, as well as recreationally.[5] However, its effects differ significantly from traditional opiates such as morphine. Kratom use is not detected by typical drug screening tests, but its metabolites can be detected by more specialized testing.[6][7] The pharmacological effects of kratom on humans, including its efficacy and safety, are not well-studied.[4]
Kratom alone, when chewed or boiled into a tea, is indeed quite harmless according to the available literature. While additional research is needed, it has been said[3] that the criminalization of kratom is unfounded and is based on economic control and disinformation. There are very few records available showing negative health or social consequences from kratom consumption, but despite this fact kratom is becoming increasingly subject to actions of law enforcement in numerous countries. The criminalization of kratom has created numerous barriers for research. In Thailand, the eradication campaigns have made it especially difficult for academics and researchers to adequately research the medicinal benefits of kratom. The Transnational Institute has concluded that the criminalization of kratom is unnecessary, problematic and counter-productive, and has summarily recommended that kratom be decriminalized. It also concluded that the evidence showing the health benefits of kratom, especially in treating drug and alcohol dependence, should serve as an important point to consider.[3]
To be noted a big Pharma company is in the late stages of developing an anti depressant using the same two main metabolites in kratom. So it is understandable why they would want to get it banned. Also it hurts sales on terrible opiate addiction maintenance drugs like suboxone and methadone. I personally used it to ween off suboxone which is a terrible terrible minding ******* drug. I do not use kratom anymore b/c it tastes like balls and it does not get you high like narcotics do.
Here is a propaganda piece done by the media basically calling it worse than heroin.
100 bucks says the *** dumpster in this video is addicted to c0ck way worse than kratom, but I digress you decide...
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - GrayBeard - 10-31-2013 02:50 PM
(10-31-2013 02:40 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote: I do not use kratom anymore b/c it tastes like balls and it does not get you high like narcotics do.
Did you really just post that?
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - WPDAWG08 - 10-31-2013 02:54 PM
(10-31-2013 02:50 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:(10-31-2013 02:40 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote: I do not use kratom anymore b/c it tastes like balls and it does not get you high like narcotics do.
Did you really just post that?
Hey grey beard it is a something said by youngsters these days.
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - GrayBeard - 10-31-2013 02:57 PM
(10-31-2013 02:54 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 02:50 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:(10-31-2013 02:40 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote: I do not use kratom anymore b/c it tastes like balls and it does not get you high like narcotics do.
Did you really just post that?
Hey grey beard it is a something said by youngsters these days.
Are these the same youngsters that ingest anything that might get them high, such as kratom?
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - oklalittledixie - 10-31-2013 03:00 PM
Do libertarians have any other interests besides drugs?
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - GrayBeard - 10-31-2013 03:02 PM
(10-31-2013 03:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Do libertarians have any other interests besides drugs?
No absolutes!
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - blah - 10-31-2013 03:02 PM
(10-31-2013 03:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Do libertarians have any other interests besides drugs?
Ron Paul.....
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - WPDAWG08 - 10-31-2013 03:03 PM
(10-31-2013 03:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Do libertarians have any other interests besides drugs?
Yes, killing fetuses goes through my mind a bunch.
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - oklalittledixie - 10-31-2013 03:06 PM
(10-31-2013 03:03 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Do libertarians have any other interests besides drugs?
Yes, killing fetuses goes through my mind a bunch.
If we just legalize this stuff, our problems wouldn't matter so much.
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - JMUDunk - 10-31-2013 03:06 PM
this thread shows real promise... lol
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - WPDAWG08 - 10-31-2013 03:11 PM
(10-31-2013 03:06 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:03 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Do libertarians have any other interests besides drugs?
Yes, killing fetuses goes through my mind a bunch.
If we just legalize this stuff, our problems wouldn't matter so much.
It is already 100% legal. They sell it at head shops. Its effects are described as less severe than coffee by the author of this article who tried it after writing this.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/09/22/is-kratom-the-new-bath-salts-or-just-an-organic-pain-reliever-with-euphoric-effects/
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - LSU04_08 - 10-31-2013 03:38 PM
(10-31-2013 03:11 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:06 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:03 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Do libertarians have any other interests besides drugs?
Yes, killing fetuses goes through my mind a bunch.
If we just legalize this stuff, our problems wouldn't matter so much.
It is already 100% legal. They sell it at head shops. Its effects are described as less severe than coffee by the author of this article who tried it after writing this.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/09/22/is-kratom-the-new-bath-salts-or-just-an-organic-pain-reliever-with-euphoric-effects/
What is a head shop? Sounds like an oral whorehouse...
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - oklalittledixie - 10-31-2013 03:43 PM
(10-31-2013 03:38 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:11 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:06 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:03 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Do libertarians have any other interests besides drugs?
Yes, killing fetuses goes through my mind a bunch.
If we just legalize this stuff, our problems wouldn't matter so much.
It is already 100% legal. They sell it at head shops. Its effects are described as less severe than coffee by the author of this article who tried it after writing this.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/09/22/is-kratom-the-new-bath-salts-or-just-an-organic-pain-reliever-with-euphoric-effects/
What is a head shop? Sounds like an oral whorehouse...
It's one of those smoke shops that also sells stuff like pipes, bongs, salvia etc.
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - LSU04_08 - 10-31-2013 03:56 PM
(10-31-2013 03:43 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:38 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:11 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:06 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:(10-31-2013 03:03 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote: Yes, killing fetuses goes through my mind a bunch.
If we just legalize this stuff, our problems wouldn't matter so much.
It is already 100% legal. They sell it at head shops. Its effects are described as less severe than coffee by the author of this article who tried it after writing this.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/09/22/is-kratom-the-new-bath-salts-or-just-an-organic-pain-reliever-with-euphoric-effects/
What is a head shop? Sounds like an oral whorehouse...
It's one of those smoke shops that also sells stuff like pipes, bongs, salvia etc.
Shiit.
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RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - WPDAWG08 - 10-31-2013 04:32 PM
A politician in LA recently tried to han kratom but didnt b/c over 1000 pain patients signed a petition.
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - oklalittledixie - 10-31-2013 04:52 PM
What's interesting is how so many of these naturally occuring drugs are part of the evergreen family. THC is basically sap.
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - WPDAWG08 - 10-31-2013 05:26 PM
(10-31-2013 04:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: What's interesting is how so many of these naturally occuring drugs are part of the evergreen family. THC is basically sap.
This plant is closely related to the coffee plant. I didnt know THC was in the evergreen family. I could basically care less whether or not this **** is banned but I do like the option to use it in the case that I get injured. I will never have a pain pill prescribed to me again.
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - oklalittledixie - 10-31-2013 06:45 PM
(10-31-2013 05:26 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 04:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: What's interesting is how so many of these naturally occuring drugs are part of the evergreen family. THC is basically sap.
This plant is closely related to the coffee plant. I didnt know THC was in the evergreen family. I could basically care less whether or not this **** is banned but I do like the option to use it in the case that I get injured. I will never have a pain pill prescribed to me again.
The Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica plant is closely related to conifers - which are evergreens.
Regarding this Mitragyna Speciosa substance. Do you have any experience with it. I honestly have never heard of it. What does it do? I did a little reading that basically states it is a legal substance and has been used in Asia for thousands of years. Small doses act as a stimulant and pain killer. Large doses act like a sedative. Have you actually tried it?
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - WPDAWG08 - 10-31-2013 06:54 PM
(10-31-2013 06:45 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:(10-31-2013 05:26 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 04:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: What's interesting is how so many of these naturally occuring drugs are part of the evergreen family. THC is basically sap.
This plant is closely related to the coffee plant. I didnt know THC was in the evergreen family. I could basically care less whether or not this **** is banned but I do like the option to use it in the case that I get injured. I will never have a pain pill prescribed to me again.
The Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica plant is closely related to conifers - which are evergreens.
Regarding this Mitragyna Speciosa substance. Do you have any experience with it. I honestly have never heard of it. What does it do? I did a little reading that basically states it is a legal substance and has been used in Asia for thousands of years. Small doses act as a stimulant and pain killer. Large doses act like a sedative. Have you actually tried it?
Yeah. They sell it everywhere here. I would say it gives you a mild feeling of wellness and makes you a bit more talkative with definite pain killing qualities. Caffeine gives me a worse buzz than it and the best part is there is no come down with kratom. The powder itself tastes like drinking dirt so I guess that is one thing that keeps me from doing it much. Like anything if you go overboard I think it can have some withdrawl type effects/constipation. Overall it is a natural herb that is pretty harmless but by its very nature it is stepping all over the toes of the pharmaceutical industry. So I am guessing it will be banned. Id say go to your local shop and give it a try it truly cant hurt anything but your taste buds.
RE: Social conservatives what is your take on Kratom? - oklalittledixie - 10-31-2013 07:03 PM
(10-31-2013 06:54 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 06:45 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:(10-31-2013 05:26 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:(10-31-2013 04:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: What's interesting is how so many of these naturally occuring drugs are part of the evergreen family. THC is basically sap.
This plant is closely related to the coffee plant. I didnt know THC was in the evergreen family. I could basically care less whether or not this **** is banned but I do like the option to use it in the case that I get injured. I will never have a pain pill prescribed to me again.
The Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica plant is closely related to conifers - which are evergreens.
Regarding this Mitragyna Speciosa substance. Do you have any experience with it. I honestly have never heard of it. What does it do? I did a little reading that basically states it is a legal substance and has been used in Asia for thousands of years. Small doses act as a stimulant and pain killer. Large doses act like a sedative. Have you actually tried it?
Yeah. They sell it everywhere here. I would say it gives you a mild feeling of wellness and makes you a bit more talkative with definite pain killing qualities. Caffeine gives me a worse buzz than it and the best part is there is no come down with kratom. The powder itself tastes like drinking dirt so I guess that is one thing that keeps me from doing it much. Like anything if you go overboard I think it can have some withdrawl type effects/constipation. Overall it is a natural herb that is pretty harmless but by its very nature it is stepping all over the toes of the pharmaceutical industry. So I am guessing it will be banned. Id say go to your local shop and give it a try it truly cant hurt anything but your taste buds.
I see your political angle and agree with it. I am interested in what this stuff is. It sounds a lot like the Kava Kava you get at health food stores.
I'm not sure it's something I would want, but I am always interested in herbal alternatives to pharmaceuticals. I think there is a lot to the argument that the drug companies would rather keep us sick so they can sell us drugs to mask the disease.
Does it upset your stomach? I have a fear of vomiting.