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California's economy is a microcosm of America - bevotex - 09-20-2013 09:20 PM
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-california-jobs-20130921,0,5426857.story
Quote:"Here we are in the middle of the year ... and the economy has shifted down to second gear," Kleinhenz said.
RE: California's economy is a microcosm of America - smn1256 - 09-20-2013 10:23 PM
Let's be honest here; if you had a business and you had a choice of locating it California or anywhere else in the galaxy, what would you do?
RE: California's economy is a microcosm of America - Owl 69/70/75 - 09-20-2013 10:43 PM
(09-20-2013 10:23 PM)smn1256 Wrote: Let's be honest here; if you had a business and you had a choice of locating it California or anywhere else in the galaxy, what would you do?
This is the issue.
If you had a choice of locating a business in the US or anywhere else in the galaxy, why would you locate it here?
Obamacare just makes us less competitive with the rest of the world than we were before. The EPA ruling on coal-fired plants makes us less competitive with the rest of the world than we were before. I found it interesting that the coal industry is being killed in the USA, but they have found a new market--Europe. And virtually every, if not every, European country is a signatory to the Kyoto accords. How screwed up is that?
If we are going to have a middle class, then we need a robust value-added component to our economy. We can't sustain a middle class on a retail/service economy. The jobs aren't there to do it. So how do we attract those businesses? If you were starting one of them today, why should you locate here? If you can't give a satisfactory answer to that question, how does our economy survive?
RE: California's economy is a microcosm of America - Pony94 - 09-20-2013 10:54 PM
Neighbor just moved in and he brought 30 jobs to Austin because of California regs
RE: California's economy is a microcosm of America - UConn-SMU - 09-21-2013 08:20 AM
Here in the northern suburbs of Dallas, we have new housing developments, offices, commercial developments, schools, and hospitals sprouting up like weeds. Suburban sprawl on steroids.
California could learn from Texas. But it won't. It will just double-down on the European socialist model. Then it will default and look to Washington for a bailout.
RE: California's economy is a microcosm of America - Fo Shizzle - 09-21-2013 08:32 AM
(09-20-2013 10:54 PM)Pony94 Wrote: Neighbor just moved in and he brought 30 jobs to Austin because of California regs
The CARB(Cali Air Resources Board) is responsible for lots of this. It has to be one of the most onerous regulatory bureaucracies ever created. They oversee damn near every industry in Cali and their tentacles reach all over the US and abroad. If you are making a product anywhere in the world and want to sell it in California you much adhere to CARB regs. This requires a ton of testing with third party certification orgs.and a significant budget. Our small company here in NC had to pony up over 30K to pay for testing of our products and spend countless hours of labor in sampling, paper work..ect. If California wanted to improve its economy, eliminating this BS CARB bureaucracy would be a good start.
RE: California's economy is a microcosm of America - GoApps70 - 09-21-2013 08:40 AM
California should thank Obama.
Other states should thank California.
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RE: California's economy is a microcosm of America - oklalittledixie - 09-21-2013 09:43 AM
Yes and the Californians who are fleeing California will just repeat the process all over the country. Too many of them actually believe it wasn't the Democrats and liberals who bankrupted that state. They move into your town in numbers. Eventually they will overwhelm the host with California style initiatives.
Texas is basically asking for its own demise. Yes they are coming there for the jobs bringing in their money - but they will bring with them the thoughts and feelings that lead them to vote for the same candidates that destroyed their state of origin.
RE: California's economy is a microcosm of America - smn1256 - 09-21-2013 01:09 PM
(09-21-2013 08:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:(09-20-2013 10:54 PM)Pony94 Wrote: Neighbor just moved in and he brought 30 jobs to Austin because of California regs
The CARB(Cali Air Resources Board) is responsible for lots of this. It has to be one of the most onerous regulatory bureaucracies ever created. They oversee damn near every industry in Cali and their tentacles reach all over the US and abroad. If you are making a product anywhere in the world and want to sell it in California you much adhere to CARB regs. This requires a ton of testing with third party certification orgs.and a significant budget. Our small company here in NC had to pony up over 30K to pay for testing of our products and spend countless hours of labor in sampling, paper work..ect. If California wanted to improve its economy, eliminating this BS CARB bureaucracy would be a good start.
If people really knew how much CARB interferes with their lives and how much it cost them they would lynch the entire lot of them.
RE: California's economy is a microcosm of America - UConn-SMU - 09-22-2013 11:49 AM
(09-21-2013 09:43 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Yes and the Californians who are fleeing California will just repeat the process all over the country. Too many of them actually believe it wasn't the Democrats and liberals who bankrupted that state. They move into your town in numbers. Eventually they will overwhelm the host with California style initiatives.
Texas is basically asking for its own demise. Yes they are coming there for the jobs bringing in their money - but they will bring with them the thoughts and feelings that lead them to vote for the same candidates that destroyed their state of origin.
Locusts.
RE: California's economy is a microcosm of America - Fo Shizzle - 09-22-2013 12:24 PM
(09-21-2013 01:09 PM)smn1256 Wrote:(09-21-2013 08:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:(09-20-2013 10:54 PM)Pony94 Wrote: Neighbor just moved in and he brought 30 jobs to Austin because of California regs
The CARB(Cali Air Resources Board) is responsible for lots of this. It has to be one of the most onerous regulatory bureaucracies ever created. They oversee damn near every industry in Cali and their tentacles reach all over the US and abroad. If you are making a product anywhere in the world and want to sell it in California you much adhere to CARB regs. This requires a ton of testing with third party certification orgs.and a significant budget. Our small company here in NC had to pony up over 30K to pay for testing of our products and spend countless hours of labor in sampling, paper work..ect. If California wanted to improve its economy, eliminating this BS CARB bureaucracy would be a good start.
If people really knew how much CARB interferes with their lives and how much it cost them they would lynch the entire lot of them.
Think about this. My company has less than 20 employees now. Our gross sales are less than 500K. We spent 34K to comply with CARB. That came right off the bottom line. Imagine how many other companies have had to do the same thing....Many of them spending much more than us. I imagine it has cost in the hundreds of millions...money that could be used to pay higher wages and provide health care benefits. CARB is just another government regulatory agency gone apeshit. It does far more damage than good. It is my understanding that CARB is coming under attack in Cali...expecially from the trucking industry. I hope they dissolve this BS agency ASAP.