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If gender is a cultural construct - DrTorch - 09-03-2013 08:11 AM
Then surely race is as well.
Thus, if society has to adapt to trans-sexuals, giving them full legal protection, then shouldn't they do the same for trans-racials?
Affirmative action, here we come!
RE: If gender is a cultural construct - john01992 - 09-03-2013 08:32 AM
i think you are missing the point.
if both are in fact genetic we as a society have come to believe that racism is wrong. so even if it is our genetic instinct to be racist we as a society dont think you have that right to be racist regardless of genetics.
when it comes to trans-gender again the genetic debate comes into play, but we as a society have come to believe that discriminating people for who they are is wrong and an attempt to refrain from doing so.
double standard? maybe. but we as a society have come to the conclusion that racism is fundamentally wrong because it hurts other people while transgenders are not hurting anyone.
RE: If gender is a cultural construct - Paul M - 09-03-2013 08:36 AM
There's no genetic debate in trans-gender.
RE: If gender is a cultural construct - DrTorch - 09-03-2013 08:43 AM
(09-03-2013 08:32 AM)john01992 Wrote: i think you are missing the point.
if both are in fact genetic we as a society have come to believe that racism is wrong. so even if it is our genetic instinct to be racist we as a society dont think you have that right to be racist regardless of genetics.
when it comes to trans-gender again the genetic debate comes into play, but we as a society have come to believe that discriminating people for who they are is wrong and an attempt to refrain from doing so.
double standard? maybe. but we as a society have come to the conclusion that racism is fundamentally wrong because it hurts other people while transgenders are not hurting anyone.
Who is "we"?
And I didn't miss the point of the double standard, and the post-modern disdain toward truth.
RE: If gender is a cultural construct - john01992 - 09-03-2013 08:45 AM
We = society
sure theres opposition to anything in a group of people. but enough people agree on a particular issue for society to favor one as acceptable and the other as not acceptable
RE: If gender is a cultural construct - DrTorch - 09-03-2013 09:00 AM
(09-03-2013 08:45 AM)john01992 Wrote: We = society
sure theres opposition to anything in a group of people. but enough people agree on a particular issue for society to favor one as acceptable and the other as not acceptable
Not at all. You just like mob rule and bullying people around.
RE: If gender is a cultural construct - john01992 - 09-03-2013 09:11 AM
(09-03-2013 09:00 AM)DrTorch Wrote:(09-03-2013 08:45 AM)john01992 Wrote: We = society
sure theres opposition to anything in a group of people. but enough people agree on a particular issue for society to favor one as acceptable and the other as not acceptable
Not at all. You just like mob rule and bullying people around.
so you are saying that we as a society dont have certain standards in place towards murder, rape, stealing etc.
RE: If gender is a cultural construct - DrTorch - 09-03-2013 09:31 AM
(09-03-2013 09:11 AM)john01992 Wrote:(09-03-2013 09:00 AM)DrTorch Wrote:(09-03-2013 08:45 AM)john01992 Wrote: We = society
sure theres opposition to anything in a group of people. but enough people agree on a particular issue for society to favor one as acceptable and the other as not acceptable
Not at all. You just like mob rule and bullying people around.
so you are saying that we as a society dont have certain standards in place towards murder, rape, stealing etc.
Must you always go to a straw man argument as a first resort?
RE: If gender is a cultural construct - EverRespect - 09-03-2013 09:31 AM
I do believe there is a small fraction of people born with a chromosomal-type disorder that causes transgenderism and/or homosexuality. I don't believe this applies to all or even most of them, but for some, something is clearly wrong.
RE: If gender is a cultural construct - john01992 - 09-03-2013 09:44 AM
(09-03-2013 09:31 AM)DrTorch Wrote:(09-03-2013 09:11 AM)john01992 Wrote:(09-03-2013 09:00 AM)DrTorch Wrote:(09-03-2013 08:45 AM)john01992 Wrote: We = society
sure theres opposition to anything in a group of people. but enough people agree on a particular issue for society to favor one as acceptable and the other as not acceptable
Not at all. You just like mob rule and bullying people around.
so you are saying that we as a society dont have certain standards in place towards murder, rape, stealing etc.
Must you always go to a straw man argument as a first resort?
do you always reach for the "apples to oranges, strawman argument, or just claim im making sh.it up" anytime you cant counter one of my posts?
RE: If gender is a cultural construct - DrTorch - 09-03-2013 09:48 AM
(09-03-2013 09:44 AM)john01992 Wrote:(09-03-2013 09:31 AM)DrTorch Wrote:(09-03-2013 09:11 AM)john01992 Wrote:(09-03-2013 09:00 AM)DrTorch Wrote:(09-03-2013 08:45 AM)john01992 Wrote: We = society
sure theres opposition to anything in a group of people. but enough people agree on a particular issue for society to favor one as acceptable and the other as not acceptable
Not at all. You just like mob rule and bullying people around.
so you are saying that we as a society dont have certain standards in place towards murder, rape, stealing etc.
Must you always go to a straw man argument as a first resort?
do you always reach for the "apples to oranges, strawman argument, or just claim im making sh.it up" anytime you cant counter one of my posts?
No. You fail to discuss a point in a rational fasion, I'm asking why. It's not that I can't counter your point, it's just that you don't deserve to have your repeated nonsense addressed. (Prov 26:4) That you don't even seem to appreciate that it's nonsense? Well that just proves Prov 26:3 was correct too.