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Consolidated Rankings - JMU08 - 08-07-2013 06:15 AM
Putting these together, have at it.
Coaches Poll
1. North Dakota State (23)
2. Montana State (1)
3. Eastern Washington
4. Sam Houston State (1)
5. Wofford
6. Central Arkansas
7. South Dakota State
8. New Hampshire
9. Villanova
10. Illinois State
11. Cal Poly
12. Towson
13. Stony Brook
14. Richmond
15. James Madison
16. Northern Iowa
17. Lehigh
18. Northern Arizona
19. Eastern Kentucky (1)
20. Bethune-Cookman
21. Coastal Carolina
22. Montana
23. Eastern Illinois
24. Youngstown State
25. Chattanooga
Lindy's FCS Preseason Top 25
1. North Dakota State
2. Georgia Southern
3. Montana State
4. South Dakota State
5. Wofford
6. Eastern Washington
7. Central Arkansas
8. Towson
9. Villanova
10. Sam Houston State
11. New Hampshire
12. Appalachian State
13. Northern Iowa
14. Stony Brook
15. Coastal Carolina
16. Northern Arizona
17. Bethune-Cookman
18. Eastern Illinois
19. Youngstown State
20. Chattanooga
21. Richmond
22. Illinois State
23. Montana
24. Wagner
25. Tennessee State
Athlon College Football
1. North Dakota State (14-1)
2. Montana State (11-2)
3. Georgia Southern (10-4)
4. Sam Houston State (11-4)
5. Villanova (8-4)
6. Appalachian State (8-4)
7. Eastern Washington (11-3)
8. Towson (7-4)
9. Montana (5-6)
10. South Dakota State (9-4)
11. New Hampshire (8-4)
12. Richmond (8-3)
13. Central Arkansas (9-3)
14. Northern Iowa (5-6)
15. Cal Poly (9-3)
16. Northern Arizona (8-3)
17. James Madison (7-4)
18. Chattanooga (6-5)
19. Wofford (9-4)
20. Eastern Illinois (7-5)
21. Tennessee State (8-3)
22. Delaware (5-6)
23. Youngstown State (7-4)
24. Illinois State (9-4)
25. The Citadel (7-4)
The Sporting News Preseason FCS Top 25 Poll
1. North Dakota State
2. Georgia Southern
3. Montana State
4. Eastern Washington
5. Appalachian State
6. Sam Houston State
7. Villanova
8. South Dakota State
9. Illinois State
10. Old Dominion
11. Central Arkansas
12. Northern Iowa
13. Towson
14. Montana
15. Richmond
16. Arkansas-Pine Bluff
17. Northern Arizona
18. Stony Brook
19. Eastern Illinois
20. Chattanooga
21. Cal Poly
22. New Hampshire
23. Colgate
24. Sacramento State
25. Bethune-Cookman
RE: Consolidated Rankings - BSKB 24 - 08-07-2013 07:09 AM
So, in 2 of the polls we aren't even in the top 25. That is not good. Apparently, we aren't too highly thought of.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - JMUsince89 - 08-07-2013 07:11 AM
Who pays attention to polls, they only go by what is spoon feed to them.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - HyperDuke - 08-07-2013 07:16 AM
Why is TSN ranking ODU in the FCS poll? Isn't ODU an FBS Independent?
RE: Consolidated Rankings - Duke Dawg - 08-07-2013 07:19 AM
the magazine polls are completely worthless.
they are done before spring practice and by guys who don't even follow fcs. they just look at last year and adjust teams up or down a few spots. no thought to who is returning, lost, transferred in, etc.
the coaches and Sports Network polls are much more credible, although still a crapshoot like any preseason poll.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - JMUsince89 - 08-07-2013 07:19 AM
(08-07-2013 07:16 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: Why is TSN ranking ODU in the FCS poll? Isn't ODU an FBS Independent?
think they are FCS independant this year. FBS C-USA next year.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - HyperDuke - 08-07-2013 07:35 AM
Could an ODU fan who's not really annoying & think they're moderating the JMU board clarify this?
Consolidated Rankings - Potomac - 08-07-2013 07:45 AM
(08-07-2013 07:16 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: Why is TSN ranking ODU in the FCS poll? Isn't ODU an FBS Independent?
They're an Fcs indepedent, espn has incorrectly classified them if that's what you're referring to. They are an Fcs team to every team they are playing.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - JMU08 - 08-07-2013 08:03 AM
I still think the best part about the coaches poll is EKU with a first place vote.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - Longhorn - 08-07-2013 09:00 AM
(08-07-2013 07:35 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: Could an ODU fan who's not really annoying & think they're moderating the JMU board clarify this?
Now this made me chuckle!
RE: Consolidated Rankings - ODUalum78 - 08-07-2013 09:28 AM
(08-07-2013 07:35 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: Could an ODU fan who's not really annoying & think they're moderating the JMU board clarify this?
Certainly. I understand how you feel and I am always glad to help!
this is correct:
(08-07-2013 07:45 AM)Potomac Wrote: They're an Fcs indepedent, espn has incorrectly classified them if that's what you're referring to. They are an Fcs team to every team they are playing.Additionally, because of the increase in the number of scholarships, ODU will not be eligible for FCS post season consideration.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - Pitz - 08-07-2013 10:29 AM
/waits for BDK's "tits on a bull" comment.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - olddawg - 08-07-2013 11:42 AM
(08-07-2013 07:45 AM)Potomac Wrote:(08-07-2013 07:16 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: Why is TSN ranking ODU in the FCS poll? Isn't ODU an FBS Independent?
They're an Fcs indepedent, espn has incorrectly classified them if that's what you're referring to. They are an Fcs team to every team they are playing.
I don't really get this. They cannot be classified FBS for a host of reasons ( home scheduling, minimum amt. of scholarships and the whole transition process). Not qualifying for FBS status should not by default keep you officially an "FCS independent" though. FCS football allows for a max of 63 scholarships, a figure ODU currently exceeds. Seems to me they are in NCAA limbo in terms of classification.
The whole Marshall rule was put into effect because a transitioning school was not truly FCS (I-AA at the time). If it's just semantics then ODU could just as easily be called FBS independent.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - JMUDunk - 08-07-2013 12:46 PM
(08-07-2013 11:42 AM)olddawg Wrote:(08-07-2013 07:45 AM)Potomac Wrote:(08-07-2013 07:16 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: Why is TSN ranking ODU in the FCS poll? Isn't ODU an FBS Independent?
They're an Fcs indepedent, espn has incorrectly classified them if that's what you're referring to. They are an Fcs team to every team they are playing.
I don't really get this. They cannot be classified FBS for a host of reasons ( home scheduling, minimum amt. of scholarships and the whole transition process). Not qualifying for FBS status should not by default keep you officially an "FCS independent" though. FCS football allows for a max of 63 scholarships, a figure ODU currently exceeds. Seems to me they are in NCAA limbo in terms of classification.
The whole Marshall rule was put into effect because a transitioning school was not truly FCS (I-AA at the time). If it's just semantics then ODU could just as easily be called FBS independent.
My guess is it means as far as FBS ranking or whatever other polls may be out there, they are considered FCS. As in, for the FBS teams on their schedule they don't really count or matter all that much in computing their ranking.
As far as these polls go, App and real GSU aren't in a number of them either. So I guess they are persona non grata to a large group of pollsters. I guess if they aren't eligible, they don't matter anyway.
Consolidated Rankings - Potomac - 08-07-2013 01:49 PM
(08-07-2013 11:42 AM)olddawg Wrote:(08-07-2013 07:45 AM)Potomac Wrote:(08-07-2013 07:16 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: Why is TSN ranking ODU in the FCS poll? Isn't ODU an FBS Independent?
They're an Fcs indepedent, espn has incorrectly classified them if that's what you're referring to. They are an Fcs team to every team they are playing.
I don't really get this. They cannot be classified FBS for a host of reasons ( home scheduling, minimum amt. of scholarships and the whole transition process). Not qualifying for FBS status should not by default keep you officially an "FCS independent" though. FCS football allows for a max of 63 scholarships, a figure ODU currently exceeds. Seems to me they are in NCAA limbo in terms of classification.
The whole Marshall rule was put into effect because a transitioning school was not truly FCS (I-AA at the time). If it's just semantics then ODU could just as easily be called FBS independent.
That's literally all it is, semantics. The NCAA has them classified as an Fcs indepedent in their first year of fbs transition. However, the NCAA says they're Fcs.... So they're Fcs. They'll be fbs in 2014.
To make it even more confusing, last year utsa was fbs in their first transition year. The reason was that the NCAA allowed them to qualify because of their full WAC schedule. I'm not sure if they also had the 85 scholarships in 2012.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - ODUalum78 - 08-07-2013 02:51 PM
It is not completely semantics.
The "FCS Transitional" designation is meaningless to the FCS once the process has begun and scholarships are added above the FCS limit. Post season eligibility is forfeit.
It is a very important distinction with respect to FBS teams and bowl eligibility, however.
The NCAA allows only one victory per season over a FCS team to count toward a FBS team's bowl eligibility.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - JMUTEKE - 08-08-2013 09:23 AM
Just at a glance .... Coastal Carolina only appears on two polls, but I also see AppSt along with ODU on the SN poll .... there are some consistencies .... but looks like it's the usual crap shoot ..... and btw, I also agree that a pre-season poll is not worth too much .... week 4-5 is when it starts coming together and making some sense .... like I said ... I just glanced .... nothing to see here ... move along ...
RE: Consolidated Rankings - BleedingPurple - 08-08-2013 04:37 PM
As BSKB and I have said, we agree that the polls provide no clue as to how good or bad a team will be. They are totally about respect. We have been shown none. This is the disappointment I feel. We have no honor for our program and this needs to change.
Sorry, BSKB, for putting words on here, on your behalf. But, your opinions carry a lot of weight.
RE: Consolidated Rankings - BDKJMU - 08-08-2013 04:48 PM
(08-08-2013 04:37 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote: As BSKB and I have said, we agree that the polls provide no clue as to how good or bad a team will be. They are totally about respect. We have been shown none. This is the disappointment I feel. We have no honor for our program and this needs to change.
Sorry, BSKB, for putting words on here, on your behalf. But, your opinions carry a lot of weight.
Coaches Poll
1. North Dakota State (23)
2. Montana State (1)
3. Eastern Washington
4. Sam Houston State (1)
5. Wofford
6. Central Arkansas
7. South Dakota State
8. New Hampshire
9. Villanova
10. Illinois State
11. Cal Poly
12. Towson
13. Stony Brook
14. Richmond
15. James Madison
16. Northern Iowa
17. Lehigh
18. Northern Arizona
19. Eastern Kentucky (1)
20. Bethune-Cookman
21. Coastal Carolina
22. Montana
23. Eastern Illinois
24. Youngstown State
25. Chattanooga
Athlon College Football
1. North Dakota State (14-1)
2. Montana State (11-2)
3. Georgia Southern (10-4)
4. Sam Houston State (11-4)
5. Villanova (8-4)
6. Appalachian State (8-4)
7. Eastern Washington (11-3)
8. Towson (7-4)
9. Montana (5-6)
10. South Dakota State (9-4)
11. New Hampshire (8-4)
12. Richmond (8-3)
13. Central Arkansas (9-3)
14. Northern Iowa (5-6)
15. Cal Poly (9-3)
16. Northern Arizona (8-3)
17. James Madison (7-4)
18. Chattanooga (6-5)
19. Wofford (9-4)
20. Eastern Illinois (7-5)
21. Tennessee State (8-3)
22. Delaware (5-6)
23. Youngstown State (7-4)
24. Illinois State (9-4)
25. The Citadel (7-4)
How is that "we have been shown none?" as far as respect and have no honor?
Being a little over dramatic Bleeding?
RE: Consolidated Rankings - BSKB 24 - 08-08-2013 06:48 PM
(08-08-2013 04:48 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:(08-08-2013 04:37 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote: As BSKB and I have said, we agree that the polls provide no clue as to how good or bad a team will be. They are totally about respect. We have been shown none. This is the disappointment I feel. We have no honor for our program and this needs to change.
Sorry, BSKB, for putting words on here, on your behalf. But, your opinions carry a lot of weight.
Coaches Poll
1. North Dakota State (23)
2. Montana State (1)
3. Eastern Washington
4. Sam Houston State (1)
5. Wofford
6. Central Arkansas
7. South Dakota State
8. New Hampshire
9. Villanova
10. Illinois State
11. Cal Poly
12. Towson
13. Stony Brook
14. Richmond
15. James Madison
16. Northern Iowa
17. Lehigh
18. Northern Arizona
19. Eastern Kentucky (1)
20. Bethune-Cookman
21. Coastal Carolina
22. Montana
23. Eastern Illinois
24. Youngstown State
25. Chattanooga
Athlon College Football
1. North Dakota State (14-1)
2. Montana State (11-2)
3. Georgia Southern (10-4)
4. Sam Houston State (11-4)
5. Villanova (8-4)
6. Appalachian State (8-4)
7. Eastern Washington (11-3)
8. Towson (7-4)
9. Montana (5-6)
10. South Dakota State (9-4)
11. New Hampshire (8-4)
12. Richmond (8-3)
13. Central Arkansas (9-3)
14. Northern Iowa (5-6)
15. Cal Poly (9-3)
16. Northern Arizona (8-3)
17. James Madison (7-4)
18. Chattanooga (6-5)
19. Wofford (9-4)
20. Eastern Illinois (7-5)
21. Tennessee State (8-3)
22. Delaware (5-6)
23. Youngstown State (7-4)
24. Illinois State (9-4)
25. The Citadel (7-4)
How is that "we have been shown none?" as far as respect and have no honor?
Being a little over dramatic Bleeding?
No, because we are nowhere to be seen in the other two polls! JMU should be in the top 10 every year. To not even be in the top 25 is unfathomable!