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ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - CliftonAve - 01-30-2013 01:13 PM
So Lance has a poll question up on his blog asking why Xavier has better attendance for UC for the 8th year in a row. As of right now the leading reason by far is 5/3 Arena, second surpringsly is due to the Nancy/Huggs fiasco.
Are there really people who are not over this by now? I can understand being bitter about it, but isit really still to the level that people refuse to support UC athletics again? Didn't the last couple season heal that?
http://www.espn1530.com/pages/lancesBlog.html
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - bearcatlawjd - 01-30-2013 01:24 PM
Check out Xavier's ticket prices and donation levels.
Compare attendance from the start of the conference season.
Xavier doesn't play football.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - bearcatmark - 01-30-2013 01:34 PM
(01-30-2013 01:24 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote: Check out Xavier's ticket prices and donation levels.
Compare attendance from the start of the conference season.
Xavier doesn't play football.
Ticket prices and particularly donation levels are an enormous deal. Xavier's donation levels for similar seats are just not nearly as high. Season ticket holders are the people that attend games against the dregs of the non-conference season, and our season ticket base is not large enough. 5th Third Arena ties into that as well.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - Racinejake - 01-30-2013 01:38 PM
And yet we still outnumbered them 2 to 1 at the shootout.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - bearcatmill - 01-30-2013 01:40 PM
With less ticket cost and extremely low donor amts - Eggs is still having problems filling their arena this year. They have had some huge discounted games this year.
As an aside - Lance should have an option on that poll of who cares.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - cinbinsportsfan - 01-30-2013 01:52 PM
(01-30-2013 01:34 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:(01-30-2013 01:24 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote: Check out Xavier's ticket prices and donation levels.
Compare attendance from the start of the conference season.
Xavier doesn't play football.
Ticket prices and particularly donation levels are an enormous deal. Xavier's donation levels for similar seats are just not nearly as high. Season ticket holders are the people that attend games against the dregs of the non-conference season, and our season ticket base is not large enough. 5th Third Arena ties into that as well.
This is exactly the reason and why, by comparison, Pitt can list attendance at a football game at Heinz Field as 50,000 or so when only 35,000 show up, if that. UC needs to build the season ticket base but it takes time.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - Crewdogz - 01-30-2013 02:16 PM
The Vacuum Effect - People are drawn to Cintas cause Xavier Sucks
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - #41 - 01-30-2013 02:19 PM
(01-30-2013 01:40 PM)bearcatmill Wrote: With less ticket cost and extremely low donor amts - Eggs is still having problems filling their arena this year. They have had some huge discounted games this year.
As an aside - Lance should have an option on that poll of who cares.
To be fair, UC has run lots of ticket deals as well over the last couple years -- including giving away free seats with other types of purchases (bowl tickets, for example).
The answer is really so childishly simple that it doesn't even make sense to ask the question: Basketball is all X has. If UC was a basketball-only school (and alums didn't have football as a way to spend their money supporting the school), it'd sell 5/3 out easily.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - bearcatlawjd - 01-30-2013 02:25 PM
(01-30-2013 02:19 PM)#41 Wrote:(01-30-2013 01:40 PM)bearcatmill Wrote: With less ticket cost and extremely low donor amts - Eggs is still having problems filling their arena this year. They have had some huge discounted games this year.
As an aside - Lance should have an option on that poll of who cares.
To be fair, UC has run lots of ticket deals as well over the last couple years -- including giving away free seats with other types of purchases (bowl tickets, for example).
The answer is really so childishly simple that it doesn't even make sense to ask the question: Basketball is all X has. If UC was a basketball-only school (and alums didn't have football as a way to spend their money supporting the school), it'd sell 5/3 out easily.
Discounts for good seats this year have been few and far between compared to past seasons. No chair back mini-plans or $15 chair back conference games this season. Yes, there have been discounts but attendance has done rather well considering all the football-basketball conflicts we had early in the year.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - SuperFlyBCat - 01-30-2013 02:27 PM
Don't fall for Lance's tricks, don't tune in or call in.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - JPBearcat3 - 01-30-2013 02:31 PM
(01-30-2013 02:19 PM)#41 Wrote: To be fair, UC has run lots of ticket deals as well over the last couple years -- including giving away free seats with other types of purchases (bowl tickets, for example).
The answer is really so childishly simple that it doesn't even make sense to ask the question: Basketball is all X has. If UC was a basketball-only school (and alums didn't have football as a way to spend their money supporting the school), it'd sell 5/3 out easily.
This.
My 2 cents on season ticket prices: the prices for some of the chairback seats in the upper sections are too high. I've been a Lair season ticket holder (the deal's way too good to pass up) since I graduated in 2009, and I've looked into moving down into chairback seats in the upper level the past 2 years - but with 3 tickets total, I can't afford the extra hit to my wallet.
I wish they had a level in between the Lair tickets and the upper level chairback seats.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - FLIP - 01-30-2013 02:45 PM
Going along with SuperFly - who gives a crap what Lance has to say. He's just a hack that has to fill a time slot. Seriously, you could hire a 5 year old to take his spot and it would be just as good - or is that bad?
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - MickMack - 01-30-2013 02:45 PM
(01-30-2013 02:16 PM)Crewdogz Wrote: The Vacuum Effect - People are drawn to Cintas cause Xavier Sucks
I think you just won the message board.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - SuperFlyBCat - 01-30-2013 03:02 PM
some Recent games, (bottom feeders don't drawl at 5/3) Any decent competition draws well.
10,155 Alabama
9,248 WSU
10,627 New Mexico
8,142 Johnnies
10,293 ND
12,812 Marquette
Remaining
Rutgers
Pitt
Villanova
GTown
UConn
USF
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - Bearcats#1 - 01-30-2013 03:27 PM
I think it is several factors...
Going back 8 yrs:
Huggs/Zimpher for some
5/3rd is some of it
UC wasnt good a lot of that time
XU was good during a lot if this time
UC OOC not good a lot of that time
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - CincyBro - 01-30-2013 03:58 PM
Xavier attendance : 87946
avg. per game : 9772
6 games left at sellout : 61500 total att. 149446 or 9963 per game
6 games left at avg. : 58632 total att. 148578 or 9771 per game
Cincy attendance : 96672
6 games left at 12,500 : 75000 total att. 171672 or 9538 per game.
Difference only about 200 and 400 hundred a game by seasons end.
Think 12,500 is very doable, can't get lower tier or middle upper seats anymore. Think that idiot Lance may have jumped the gun to soon, I agree, don't listen and maybe someday we will get somebody worth a damn on sports talk. Having said that,as much as I hate Xavier fans, they do go to the games and their home OOC games were better than UC's.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - BearcatsUC - 01-30-2013 04:06 PM
(01-30-2013 01:13 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: So Lance has a poll question up on his blog asking why Xavier has better attendance for UC for the 8th year in a row. As of right now the leading reason by far is 5/3 Arena, second surpringsly is due to the Nancy/Huggs fiasco.
Are there really people who are not over this by now? I can understand being bitter about it, but isit really still to the level that people refuse to support UC athletics again? Didn't the last couple season heal that?
http://www.espn1530.com/pages/lancesBlog.html
Hmmm...
My numbers may be a bit off, but UC has been averaging 8,555 through 12 games (I don't know if that includes the game against X or not). From what I can tell, X has been averaging in the 9,600 range, which is nothing more than a ballpark figure. Most of their attendance figure are between 9,000 and 10,000.
UC has 6 home games left against Rutgers, Pitt, Villanova, Georgetown, UConn and USF, and is looking at a tournament bid.
X is 12-8 and 5-7 in it's last 12 games - and isn't even a bubble team now.
It's safe to say UC will draw better than Xavier for its final six home games. My back of the envelope tells me if X's attendance stays the same down the stretch and UC averages 12,300 or so for the final six games, there will be no difference in attendance between the two schools.
With that said, I'm not sure about the difference in ticket prices. You CAN get lower level season tickets for $464, but they do have premium seating packages that require substantial donations in addition to the aforementioned ticket prices.
Premium Seating
Premium Seating Brochure
Seating Chart
Club (Sections 107-112 - rows A-N)
•8 year agreement
◦Seat donation of $1,400 per seat for 2012-13 with a $50 annual increase
•3 year agreement
◦Seat donation of $1,600 per seat for 2012-13 with a $75 annual increase
•Plus price of season ticket each year (2012-13 price is $465)
Premium I (Sections 105-106, 113-114, 107-112 - rows O-V)
•3 year agreement
•Seat donation of $775 per seat for 2012-13 with a $25 annual increase
•Plus price of season ticket each year (2012-13 price is $465)
Premium II (Sections 101-104)
•1 year agreement
•Seat donation of $590 per seat for 2012-13
•Plus price of season ticket each year (2012-13 price is $465)
Premium Blue (Sections 209-214 - lower rows)
•4 year agreement
•Seat donation of $300 each year, no increases
•Plus price of season ticket each year (2012-13 price is $380)
Premium Silver (Sections 207, 208, 215 and 216 - lower rows)
•4 year agreement
•Seat donation of $200 each year, no increases
•Plus price of season ticket each year (2012-13 price is $380)
Premium White (Sections 203-206 and 200-202 - lower rows)
•4 year agreement
•Seat donation of $150 each year, no increases
•Plus price of season ticket each year. (2012-13 price is $350 for section 203-206 and $300 for sections 200-202)
Single-year agreements are also available in each premium area for an increased donation.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - BearcatsUC - 01-30-2013 04:09 PM
(01-30-2013 03:58 PM)CincyBro Wrote: Xavier attendance : 87946
avg. per game : 9772
6 games left at sellout : 61500 total att. 149446 or 9963 per game
6 games left at avg. : 58632 total att. 148578 or 9771 per game
Cincy attendance : 96672
6 games left at 12,500 : 75000 total att. 171672 or 9538 per game.
Difference only about 200 and 400 hundred a game by seasons end.
Think 12,500 is very doable, can't get lower tier or middle upper seats anymore. Think that idiot Lance may have jumped the gun to soon, I agree, don't listen and maybe someday we will get somebody worth a damn on sports talk. Having said that,as much as I hate Xavier fans, they do go to the games and their home OOC games were better than UC's.
apparently you and i were simultaneously doing some number crunching...same message.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - BearChatter v2.0 - 01-30-2013 04:15 PM
Yawn.
Game attendance has nothing to do with the size of the fanbase. Far more UC fans in Cincinnati than Xavier fans.
XU fans go to their games to find other Xavier fans. LOL.
RE: ESPN1530 Poll Question: Why is Xavier Going to Outdraw UC in Attendance Again - CliftonAve - 01-30-2013 04:19 PM
(01-30-2013 04:15 PM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote: Yawn.
Game attendance has nothing to do with the size of the fanbase. Far more UC fans in Cincinnati than Xavier fans.
XU fans go to their games to find other Xavier fans. LOL.
Agreed. The Shootout was a prime example this year. Both teams had access to eqaul number of tickets yet the place was packed with Bearcat fan. Afterwards Mack and Bobinski said they want to move the game back to campus.
Frankly, I don't think they recognized previously how wide the gap in following was up until that point. I think they thought given the past 8 years or so they had narrowed the gap considerably.