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New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - WesternBlazer - 01-04-2013 11:33 AM
Would allow all athletes with a 2.6 GPA to play immediately...
http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2013/01/03/new-transfer-model-would-reduce-eligibility-consequences.htm
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - Blazing Saddles - 01-04-2013 11:40 AM
The Todd O'brien Rule
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - WesternBlazer - 01-04-2013 03:01 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21494783/whywhen-a-new-transfer-rule-could-have-big-effects-on-college-hoops
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - Memphis Blazer - 01-04-2013 03:06 PM
This could really hurt UAB. Our higher academic standards would mean players could leave here immediately if they have a 2.6 GPA. It has nothing to do with O'brien. Immediate transfers at any point in their career.
Any player who has a great year at UAB could jump to a better conference as long as his GPA is good.
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - WesternBlazer - 01-04-2013 03:09 PM
New transfer model would reduce restrictions on athletes but at what cost to college hoops?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/transfer-model-reduce-restrictions-athletes-cost-college-hoops-192644690--ncaab.html;_ylt=Aghi6ZVgiNfW9DTfAfITGbY7Ysp_;_ylu=X3oDMTE4NWRia245BG1pdANCbG9ncyBJbmRleARwb3MDMQRzZWMDTWVkaWFCbG9nSW5kZXg-;_ylg=X3oDMTFpMm9iMzh1BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANibG9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - blazers9911 - 01-04-2013 04:07 PM
(01-04-2013 03:06 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: This could really hurt UAB. Our higher academic standards would mean players could leave here immediately if they have a 2.6 GPA. It has nothing to do with O'brien. Immediate transfers at any point in their career.
Any player who has a great year at UAB could jump to a better conference as long as his GPA is good.
Yep, this is going to do nothing except hurt the non power schools with one or two really talented players on their rosters. March Madness as we know it would pretty much cease to exist. I really hope this doesn't go into effect.
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - BeliefBlazer - 01-04-2013 04:13 PM
Yupp. One standout year at a mid-major an all of a sudden the guy is at Indiana.
Guess it won't matter as much once the top conferences break away.
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - uabrsc3 - 01-04-2013 05:58 PM
I look at it a bit differently. I have always objected to the rule about players having to sit out when coaches can leave at a whim even before a bowl and leave their team or leave after signing day. The requirement that they have a grade point average is good. Yeah it will hurt mid majors who get players cherry picked by the Ruling class of college sports. But alos it will give an out to players stuck on the bench of the ruling class who want a chance to paly and who resent being warehoused by the big boys or who get ticked when their big time ciach takes a bigger time job. In the end it give players/students more power and freedom which is a good thing. If a kid has a music scholarship and transfers he doesn't have to not play his instrument in public for a year so treating athletes like this is on its face unfair. And while I rant the fact a player can get in trouble for selling his own stuff (the Ohio State football probation situation) is the height of serfdom for athletes. A coach can make Ford truck commercials daily and this kid can't trade sweat bands or jersey for a tatoo or even sell on ebay?! Come on.... fairness for athletes!
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - 58-56 - 01-04-2013 09:00 PM
Quote:This could really hurt UAB. Our higher academic standards would mean players could leave here immediately if they have a 2.6 GPA.
If the rule hurts us - as it easily could - it's not because of our academic standards. Our standards make it harder to have a 2.6 GPA without the fake courses run by a charlatan diploma mill and bicycle repair shop like, say, North Carolina-Chapel Hill. We will have guys here with a 2.5 GPA who would rack up a 3.9 at Carolina or Auburn.
Remember, we got in APR trouble because we actually failed our dumb*** athletes instead of giving them altered grades like Florida State did - and suffered worse penalties than FSU got for outright fraud.
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - Memphis Blazer - 01-04-2013 09:11 PM
The way I was looking at it is that we now recruit players capable of getting a legitmate 2.6.
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - blazers9911 - 01-05-2013 04:09 PM
(01-04-2013 05:58 PM)uabrsc3 Wrote: I look at it a bit differently. I have always objected to the rule about players having to sit out when coaches can leave at a whim even before a bowl and leave their team or leave after signing day. The requirement that they have a grade point average is good. Yeah it will hurt mid majors who get players cherry picked by the Ruling class of college sports. But alos it will give an out to players stuck on the bench of the ruling class who want a chance to paly and who resent being warehoused by the big boys or who get ticked when their big time ciach takes a bigger time job. In the end it give players/students more power and freedom which is a good thing. If a kid has a music scholarship and transfers he doesn't have to not play his instrument in public for a year so treating athletes like this is on its face unfair. And while I rant the fact a player can get in trouble for selling his own stuff (the Ohio State football probation situation) is the height of serfdom for athletes. A coach can make Ford truck commercials daily and this kid can't trade sweat bands or jersey for a tatoo or even sell on ebay?! Come on.... fairness for athletes!
Don't even know where to start here. First off, coaches like Cal will do anything to win. Do you really want to allow him to recruit players on other team's rosters? Secondly, a player can't sell his stuff because if you allowed that, then Alabama boosters would purchase locks of Alabama hair for millions of dollars. At least at that point, everybody would see they are getting paid I guess. The players get a scholarship. If they can't see the value in that, they probably don't belong in college.
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - uabrsc3 - 01-05-2013 04:20 PM
(01-05-2013 04:09 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:(01-04-2013 05:58 PM)uabrsc3 Wrote: I look at it a bit differently. I have always objected to the rule about players having to sit out when coaches can leave at a whim even before a bowl and leave their team or leave after signing day. The requirement that they have a grade point average is good. Yeah it will hurt mid majors who get players cherry picked by the Ruling class of college sports. But alos it will give an out to players stuck on the bench of the ruling class who want a chance to paly and who resent being warehoused by the big boys or who get ticked when their big time ciach takes a bigger time job. In the end it give players/students more power and freedom which is a good thing. If a kid has a music scholarship and transfers he doesn't have to not play his instrument in public for a year so treating athletes like this is on its face unfair. And while I rant the fact a player can get in trouble for selling his own stuff (the Ohio State football probation situation) is the height of serfdom for athletes. A coach can make Ford truck commercials daily and this kid can't trade sweat bands or jersey for a tatoo or even sell on ebay?! Come on.... fairness for athletes!
Don't even know where to start here. First off, coaches like Cal will do anything to win. Do you really want to allow him to recruit players on other team's rosters? Secondly, a player can't sell his stuff because if you allowed that, then Alabama boosters would purchase locks of Alabama hair for millions of dollars. At least at that point, everybody would see they are getting paid I guess. The players get a scholarship. If they can't see the value in that, they probably don't belong in college.
I start at fairness. A scholarship is most valuable because without myacademic scholarships to UAB and law school I dont know how I would have done it. But also I could work and be paid and if I did not like my teachers or program I could go somewhere else just like my teachers could. A person gettting reasonablevalue for their stuff is simply freedom and free enterprise. If a student athlete can not transfer when they want then they are being treated as less than other students on scholarship who have hat right. If a student athlete can not sell his own stuff then he is being treated differently from every other student and every other American. As for Cal getting who wants he does already and this way kids who dont progress under him can leave.
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - blazers9911 - 01-05-2013 06:12 PM
A student athlete is free to transfer whenever he wants. There are rules regarding the transfer. People sign non-disclosure agreements in the real world all the time that doesn't allow them to go to a competitor for a certain amount of time. You see it as unfair because you are only looking at it from one side. And not allowing them to sell things has to do with amateurism. Of course any athlete can sell whatever he wants, but if he gets caught doing something that effects amateur status, there will be consequences.
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - uabrsc3 - 01-05-2013 06:27 PM
(01-05-2013 06:12 PM)blazers9911 Wrote: A student athlete is free to transfer whenever he wants. There are rules regarding the transfer. People sign non-disclosure agreements in the real world all the time that doesn't allow them to go to a competitor for a certain amount of time. You see it as unfair because you are only looking at it from one side. And not allowing them to sell things has to do with amateurism. Of course any athlete can sell whatever he wants, but if he gets caught doing something that effects amateur status, there will be consequences.
Once again fairness. Coaches do not have this non compete clause but student athletes do?! Amateurism...what a joke. Selling one's property is a basic American right.
Bottom line the best analogy for college sports now is the porn industry. You have stars, directors, producers, distributors and promoters and the average student athlete is just a fluffer who keeps the others in the game and "pumped up".
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - Memphis Blazer - 01-05-2013 06:33 PM
College sports gave up amateurism a long time ago.
On one hand I agree that players should be able to transfer without penalty, but I see it as opening up a further can of worms and enables even more cheating.
Maybe they should pay them and sign them to contracts like in the pros.
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - uabrsc3 - 01-05-2013 06:48 PM
(01-05-2013 06:33 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: College sports gave up amateurism a long time ago.
On one hand I agree that players should be able to transfer without penalty, but I see it as opening up a further can of worms and enables even more cheating.
Maybe they should pay them and sign them to contracts like in the pros.
Football needs a real minor league system. Football has been a poison for schools since coaches became bigger than school presidents. Baseball and hockey has a farm system and to a lesser extent basketball but the NFL has the benefit of a tax payer subsidized farm system. College football and basketball are full of students who are funneled to easy courses, who are kept eligible thru underhanded or heroic efforts all for the almost incalculably small chance to make a living as a pro for a couple of years. It has made a mockery of college sports and academics when schools have stadiums full,of people with no more connection to the school than a rooting interest. Meanwhile the kids make no money while the adults get rich and the NFL gets a free grad school for their product. I am reminded of the wonderful exchange in North Dallas Forty between the player and coach...the play to the coach says, "when I say it is a business you say it is a game, when I say it is a game you say it is a business." And it is all tax deductible and shrouded in the "promise" of education. The student athletes especially football are the serfs in the feudal system and it stinks that colleges that are supposed to be there to educate, illuminate and inspire become merely pawns of their NFL and media pimps and whoremongers. Oh well there is my rant.
RE: New Transfer Model Would Reduce Eligibility Consequences - Blazer on the southside - 01-07-2013 01:23 PM
If the best HS football players in the South stopped playing SEC football and went straight to a minor league system some of the rednecks in this state would start killin'. I am not joking, not even 1%.