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RE: ODU Master Plan - monarchoptimist - 06-10-2013 02:31 PM (06-10-2013 01:59 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote: Perception is reality 30,000 is not an FBS program that the best recruits will really take a hard look at. 40,000 the perception is different. I'm ok going to 33-35k initially as long as a plan exists for increasing as demand dictates. I understand what you mean by the perception of the size of a stadium but hopefully atmosphere (always a packed house) at a stadium can be an overriding factor. I think one of the biggest expansion need areas is suites. I feel like the ROI on building suites is better than 5-7k more regular seats. RE: ODU Master Plan - paintedblue - 06-10-2013 02:49 PM "We have to be careful, when the day comes that we've got 25, 000 or 35, 000 seats, we've got to figure out where the next wave of fans is coming from." - Wood Selig There is a lot in that quote. Above all, I believe Dr. Selig is speaking to marketing. What segment/s of the market are the "low hanging fruit?" As of now all 14K season tickets are taken by ODAF contributors. Most, but not all (such as myself) are alumni. There are probably some more in that category to target, but lets look beyond that. I believe it's much easier to get alumni, and others who are already fans to overlook some shortcomings in the stadium and amenities than it is to get general football fans or fans of other programs to be as forgiving. There are thousands of football fans, both college, and NFL, in Hampton Roads that are either season ticket holders to UVA, VT, ECU, the Redskins, the Ravens, etc., or that travel to those games regularly. Many of these fans are so entrenched and hardcore that they would never consider anything else. On the other hand there are many who would look at the distance they travel, the expense in gas and lodging, etc. who may be open to a local option. The thing that those fans all have in common is that they know what a big-time game day atmosphere is because they have experienced it. As much I love ODU football, in my opinion, at this time, it does not compare favorably (in terms of facilities) to any of the aforementioned options. I believe ODU wants to be a big-time program, and wants to begin to win some of the recruiting battles against the UVA's, VT's, UNC's, etc. of the college football world. In the same way we also need to compete against those programs for fans. Specifically for fans who would be willing to keep their sports entertainment dollars at home. Here is an anology that I hope will be both appropriate and clear. Big-time sports events and casino gaming. Gaming and sports events are both activities which (ideally) involve discretionary funds, you can enjoy from the comfort of your own home, the live experience is vastly different than the home version, and for Hampton Roads residents, travel is involved. Those of us who have enjoyed (or not) casino gaming probably know the difference between a quick trip to Dover (what we could soon be,) a two day trip to Atlantic City (VT, UVA,) and Las Vegas (Redskins, Ravens.) What we have now, facility-wise, is closer to the local bingo hall. Although a casino goer knows the difference if the closer option's experience is close enough in feel to the more distant option, it will usually do. I don't think there is anything we can do to our current stadium, given it's tight seating, poor restroom situation, etc. that is going to entice most of the football fans I am speaking about to attend ODU games rather than hit the road. We need a stadium large enough (probably at least 35,000,) and especially nice enough to attract local fans to keep their sports entertainment dollars in Hampton Roads, and spend them on Hampton Boulevard. I think part of being careful, as Wood Selig put it, is studying who our greatest ticket buying targets are and building a product that will be attractive to them. RE: ODU Master Plan - Sirloin Burger - 06-10-2013 07:22 PM (06-09-2013 11:55 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote: Not to rehash the same idiotic arguments with the same unintellectual poster, but no one got "burned" by Selig, he flat out lied to the public and to odu fans about who the candidates were and the entire process that occurred. This is based on the assumption that he had tapped Jones from the start. Anyone find out when Jones sold his house yet? We must know! (06-09-2013 11:55 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote: If its our fault for taking him at his word than so be it, but none of us "others" feel even remotely silly for questioning wood, just as we should all feel free to share our opinions on what the potential of our team/future should be. Some of you had already crowned our next head coach. Even one fan said ODU had budgeted $800,000 to lure him here. You all set your expectations so high that the fall back down to earth would be so devastating if your fantasy didn’t come true. (06-09-2013 11:55 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote: "Return to being fans and not arm chair AD's"........genius, lets all just cheer and never question anything that happens. Question all you want. However , he’s the AD and ultimately it’s his decision. It is his business to run. Sure, listening to our enthusiastic fan base is important, but there are other things he must considered too . (06-09-2013 11:55 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote: Maybe Blaine would still be coaching! Maybe mike rice would be too and guys like Gordon gee and Tim pernetti would still have jobs. Ad's are not infallible and above reproach. Questioning them and the future of our program is not only fair game, it's actually healthy for the program. Never said Selig or AD’s were infallible. Only that they are entitled to do their job and not take orders from some ranting berserker on a message board, lol By the way, Gordon Gee was President of OSU not the AD. Selig is held accountable to the university, not you and your false sense of importance. Selig did nothing wrong and to this day hasn’t been disciplined by the university. Why would he? (06-09-2013 11:55 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote: Selig has a ton of pressure on him for jones to succeed because if he doesn't, it's entirely on Selig. The future of this university may not be important to you since you didn't go here, don't give money and don't attend games, but some of us actually do and are interested in how that money will be spent and how we can continue to grow our program. Ah, the same talking points over and over again. Some of us?? There you go again with that false sense of importance. No, the pressure is on Jeff Jones to win. And of course there would be no pressure on Selig if he chose your all star hotshot coach.' I'll tell you this much, no other candidate could have put together such a solid supporting cast of coaches than Jeff Jones. (06-09-2013 11:55 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote: Perhaps your Tech fandom is getting in the way of your supposed odu fandom and you don't want to see us grow to challenge tech as the big dog in the state? Or maybe you just have no common sense. I thought you said I'm not worth responding to yet here you are again and again. RE: ODU Master Plan - Sirloin Burger - 06-10-2013 07:41 PM (06-10-2013 02:49 PM)paintedblue Wrote: "We have to be careful, when the day comes that we've got 25, 000 or 35, 000 seats, we've got to figure out where the next wave of fans is coming from." - Wood Selig Excellent viewpoint. RE: ODU Master Plan - Monarch Homselr - 06-10-2013 08:54 PM I think it may be easier to expand the stadium to 40K than it may be to find parking for a 25K stadium. I believe a big part of the desire for ODU FB tix is tailgating. Will people fight for tix if it does not include a tailgate parking space?? RE: ODU Master Plan - ODUalum78 - 06-10-2013 09:12 PM (06-10-2013 08:54 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote: I think it may be easier to expand the stadium to 40K than it may be to find parking for a 25K stadium. Post of the day. RE: ODU Master Plan - Razor Ramon Monarch - 06-11-2013 12:00 AM (06-10-2013 07:22 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:(06-09-2013 11:55 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote: Not to rehash the same idiotic arguments with the same unintellectual poster, but no one got "burned" by Selig, he flat out lied to the public and to odu fans about who the candidates were and the entire process that occurred. Why is sirloin allowed to drain like this? RE: ODU Master Plan - Petey Hodge - 06-11-2013 12:27 AM I went out flying last friday to check the progress on UW's Husky Stadium rebuild... It's been reduced to 71,000 seats and the renovation was completed on the south bleachers (complete teardown-rebuild) and an added horseshoe to the west endzone. One day, we need to do it like this... in expandable steps. Re: RE: ODU Master Plan - EverRespect - 06-11-2013 05:49 AM (06-10-2013 07:22 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote: Some of you had already crowned our next head coach. Even one fan said ODU had budgeted $800,000 to lure him here. You all set your expectations so high that the fall back down to earth would be so devastating if your fantasy didn’t come true. For the record, I said that the $800k for basketball coach was in the budget. When Blaine was fired, the budget was done with his salary in there as the expense. I did not say that Wood had plans to pay the new coach $800k, but if you know anything about budgeting, we could have afforded more and that line item has been cut. Not sure if you misread or ar misrepresenting, but I have never claimed any inside knowlege. Most of us have moved on, however. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2 RE: ODU Master Plan - 49RFootballNow - 06-11-2013 12:44 PM Did a quick Google Sketchup of how I think you could fit an upper deck over your existing sideline seating: Having seen satellite images of the site on Google Earth, pretty sure this type of design would fit into the available space if you can move the scoreboard elsewhere. RE: ODU Master Plan - Niner National - 06-11-2013 12:48 PM I actually really like the way those look. RE: ODU Master Plan - EverRespect - 06-11-2013 12:50 PM (06-11-2013 12:48 PM)Niner National Wrote: I actually really like the way those look. Do the tickets for the upper deck come with a grappling hook or does the helicopter drop you in? RE: ODU Master Plan - Niner National - 06-11-2013 01:03 PM (06-11-2013 12:50 PM)EverRespect Wrote:It's just a rough sketch with Google Sketchup.(06-11-2013 12:48 PM)Niner National Wrote: I actually really like the way those look. He was just giving an idea of what an upper level could look like and I think that would look pretty good personally. It would give your stadium a very unique look. RE: ODU Master Plan - Big Blue Crazy - 06-11-2013 01:04 PM I saw a mock up a couple years ago that looked very similar to this. The sideline seats were not as high on the upper deck. It also connected to the other side by in closing the endzone making a complete Horseshoe. This allows the history of Foreman Field to remain but expand and update it for the next 30 years. It also coule be built in phases to allow for measured growth Thanks for the sketchup 49er. RE: ODU Master Plan - bigblueodu - 06-11-2013 01:05 PM I think it would have to hang over the existing structure. If not those on the 20 yard line at bottom are 50 yards from the field... those at the 20 yard line on the new structure would be 500 yards from the field. Plus, alot of wasted space. Couldn't the structure mirror the arch and hang down over it.... say half way up between the entrance tunnels and top row of existing structure? RE: ODU Master Plan - 49RFootballNow - 06-11-2013 01:20 PM (06-11-2013 01:05 PM)bigblueodu Wrote: I think it would have to hang over the existing structure. If not those on the 20 yard line at bottom are 50 yards from the field... those at the 20 yard line on the new structure would be 500 yards from the field. Plus, alot of wasted space. Couldn't the structure mirror the arch and hang down over it.... say half way up between the entrance tunnels and top row of existing structure? You can't really see it in the angles I captured in the pictures but thr upper deck does have a bend to it; its just less dramatic then the back side of the existing stands. It also hangs over the the lower stands. If viewed from most airborne (Goodyear Blimp) angles you won't even be able to see the back bend of the existing stands. You can also suspend some mezzanine decks under the main deck near the side (lower) ends of the existing structure. I skipped putting in details but stairs/elevators and walkways would be under the deck and in the structural support features. RE: ODU Master Plan - ODUi - 06-11-2013 01:25 PM (06-11-2013 01:20 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:(06-11-2013 01:05 PM)bigblueodu Wrote: I think it would have to hang over the existing structure. If not those on the 20 yard line at bottom are 50 yards from the field... those at the 20 yard line on the new structure would be 500 yards from the field. Plus, alot of wasted space. Couldn't the structure mirror the arch and hang down over it.... say half way up between the entrance tunnels and top row of existing structure? Suites could probably fill some of the empty space between the upper and lower stands... A new pressbox and elevator would also look nice atop the new stands you sketched. RE: ODU Master Plan - Loveodu - 06-11-2013 01:33 PM I like it! RE: ODU Master Plan - ODUalum78 - 06-11-2013 01:35 PM (06-11-2013 01:05 PM)bigblueodu Wrote: I think it would have to hang over the existing structure. If not those on the 20 yard line at bottom are 50 yards from the field... those at the 20 yard line on the new structure would be 500 yards from the field. Plus, alot of wasted space. Couldn't the structure mirror the arch and hang down over it.... say half way up between the entrance tunnels and top row of existing structure? Another reason might be Bluestone Ave, and the associated pedestrian right-of-way (sidewalk). The absolute best case will likely require a setback variance to be granted on the northwest corner for any increase horizontal footprint. The neighborhood might fight that. With Virginia's new Eminent Domain statute, the chance of "moving" Bluestone is almost nil. RE: ODU Master Plan - 49RFootballNow - 06-11-2013 01:35 PM (06-11-2013 01:25 PM)ODUi Wrote:(06-11-2013 01:20 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:(06-11-2013 01:05 PM)bigblueodu Wrote: I think it would have to hang over the existing structure. If not those on the 20 yard line at bottom are 50 yards from the field... those at the 20 yard line on the new structure would be 500 yards from the field. Plus, alot of wasted space. Couldn't the structure mirror the arch and hang down over it.... say half way up between the entrance tunnels and top row of existing structure? You could put a pressbox over the east stands because there's some parking space there now. If you did that on the west side though it would be too close to the existing road. The back of the upper deck will be close to hanging over that road even without a pressbox. |