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New Forbes Rankings: ACC - AtlanticLeague - 08-01-2012 03:36 PM
As an alternative to USN&WR rankings (for what it's worth...)
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/
(Rankings include liberal arts schools)
24 - Duke
26 - Boston College
36 - Virginia
47 - North Carolina
53 - Wake
127 - Virginia Tech
132 - Miami
135 - Georgia Tech
154 - Syracuse
168 - Maryland
193 - Florida State
218 - Clemson
235 - NC State
265 - Pitt
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - Ragu - 08-01-2012 03:55 PM
This is college academics rankings? I thought Pitt was a stellar college? This seems off.
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - Ole Blue - 08-01-2012 04:38 PM
(08-01-2012 03:55 PM)Ragu Wrote: This is college academics rankings? I thought Pitt was a stellar college? This seems off.
I don't really consider Forbes legitimate. Here's USN&WR's rankings, you can see the obvious difference.
#10 - Duke
#25 - Virginia
#25 - Wake Forest
#29 - UNC
#31 - Boston College
#36 - Georgia Tech
#38 - Miami
#55 - Maryland
#58 - Pittsburgh
#62 - Syracuse
#68 - Clemson
#71 - Virginia Tech
#101 - Florida State
#101 - NC State
Average ACC Rank - #50
I guess with all those little liberal arts colleges in there that skews it, but for our purposes the USN&WR is much more accurate at portraying the ACC's academic prestige.
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - Ragu - 08-01-2012 04:55 PM
Yeah I agree with you there.
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - OrangeCrush22 - 08-01-2012 05:29 PM
US News separates universities into tiers.
Examples:
Colgate is #48 on Forbes list, but US News ranks them as #21 out of national liberal arts colleges.
Villanova is #83 on Forbes list, but US News ranks them as #1 out of northern regional universities.
Boise State is #616 on Forbes list, but US New ranks them as #67 out of western regional universities.
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - Ole Blue - 08-01-2012 05:37 PM
(08-01-2012 05:29 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote: US News separates universities into tiers.
Examples:
Colgate is #48 on Forbes list, but US News ranks them as #21 out of national liberal arts colleges.
Villanova is #83 on Forbes list, but US News ranks them as #1 out of northern regional universities.
Boise State is #616 on Forbes list, but US New ranks them as #67 out of western regional universities.
This is true - the rankings I used were National University rankings, so all universities were considered but liberal arts colleges were excluded.
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - miko33 - 08-01-2012 07:14 PM
I know Forbes uses a different ranking methodology than a number of the other rankings out there. For some reason, Pitt does not do very well in Forbes, and I haven't looked that closely into what they do that ends up making Pitt look so bad.
The Times Higher Education World University Rankings is much more favorable for Pitt. I didn't look to closely at the list to see where the rest of the ACC stacked up, but in this world ranking Pitt is ranked 59.
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/top-400.html
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - AtlanticLeague - 08-01-2012 09:29 PM
Like it said, take a look at it for what it's worth.
Every school in the ACC has its own set of academic strengths and weaknesses.
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - georgia_tech_swagger - 08-02-2012 01:48 AM
The devil is in the details. Alot of these rankings don't normalize criteria per enrollment capita. Alot of these rankings value a great Art History department the same as a great Nuclear Engineering department. Most of them are utterly worthless.
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - ej6687 - 08-02-2012 06:44 AM
(08-01-2012 03:55 PM)Ragu Wrote: This is college academics rankings? I thought Pitt was a stellar college? This seems off.
Forbes rankings are garbage. Almost half of the score comes from rankings in RatemyProfessor.com, "Who's Who in America", and Payscale.com.....
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - Wolfman - 08-02-2012 10:54 AM
Quote:The rankings are based on five general categories: post graduate success (32.5%), which evaluates alumni pay and prominence, student satisfaction (27.5%), which includes professor evaluations and freshman to sophomore year retention rates, debt (17.5%), which penalizes schools for high student debt loads and default rates, four-year graduation rate (11.25%) and competitive awards (11.25%), which rewards schools whose students win prestigious scholarships and fellowships like the Rhodes, the Marshall and the Fulbright or go on to earn a Ph.D.
Nothing there about academics. Well, maybe the "competitive awards" a little.
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - 4x4hokies - 08-02-2012 10:59 AM
Governor McDonnell released a statement about UVA and W&M being the top public non-academy schools.
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/News/viewRelease.cfm?id=1363
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - AtlanticLeague - 08-02-2012 11:53 AM
(08-02-2012 10:59 AM)4x4hokies Wrote: Governor McDonnell released a statement about UVA and W&M being the top public non-academy schools.
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/News/viewRelease.cfm?id=1363
The closest that bob has gotten to a Virginia school is Regent
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - Wolfman - 08-02-2012 02:32 PM
(08-02-2012 11:53 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:(08-02-2012 10:59 AM)4x4hokies Wrote: Governor McDonnell released a statement about UVA and W&M being the top public non-academy schools.
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/News/viewRelease.cfm?id=1363
The closest that bob has gotten to a Virginia school is Regent
Did you leave an "o" out of his name??
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - ChrisLords - 08-02-2012 07:59 PM
(08-01-2012 03:36 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote: As an alternative to USN&WR rankings (for what it's worth...)
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/
(Rankings include liberal arts schools)
24 - Duke
26 - Boston College
36 - Virginia
47 - North Carolina
53 - Wake
127 - Virginia Tech
132 - Miami
135 - Georgia Tech
154 - Syracuse
168 - Maryland
193 - Florida State
218 - Clemson
235 - NC State
265 - Pitt
I think GT got hosed.
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - ChrisLords - 08-02-2012 08:00 PM
(08-01-2012 05:29 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote: US News separates universities into tiers.
Examples:
Colgate is #48 on Forbes list, but US News ranks them as #21 out of national liberal arts colleges.
Villanova is #83 on Forbes list, but US News ranks them as #1 out of northern regional universities.
Boise State is #616 on Forbes list, but US New ranks them as #67 out of western regional universities.
Geez, Boise State's not even a national university. They are farther away from possibly getting into a major conference than I thought.
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - ChrisLords - 08-02-2012 08:00 PM
(08-02-2012 10:54 AM)Wolfman Wrote:Quote:The rankings are based on five general categories: post graduate success (32.5%), which evaluates alumni pay and prominence, student satisfaction (27.5%), which includes professor evaluations and freshman to sophomore year retention rates, debt (17.5%), which penalizes schools for high student debt loads and default rates, four-year graduation rate (11.25%) and competitive awards (11.25%), which rewards schools whose students win prestigious scholarships and fellowships like the Rhodes, the Marshall and the Fulbright or go on to earn a Ph.D.
Nothing there about academics. Well, maybe the "competitive awards" a little.
Phffshaw! What does academics have to do with being a good school? They should just use the NCAA all time football rankings.
RE: New Forbes Rankings: ACC - Wolfman - 08-06-2012 12:27 PM
(08-02-2012 08:00 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:(08-02-2012 10:54 AM)Wolfman Wrote:Quote:The rankings are based on five general categories: post graduate success (32.5%), which evaluates alumni pay and prominence, student satisfaction (27.5%), which includes professor evaluations and freshman to sophomore year retention rates, debt (17.5%), which penalizes schools for high student debt loads and default rates, four-year graduation rate (11.25%) and competitive awards (11.25%), which rewards schools whose students win prestigious scholarships and fellowships like the Rhodes, the Marshall and the Fulbright or go on to earn a Ph.D.
Nothing there about academics. Well, maybe the "competitive awards" a little.
Phffshaw! What does academics have to do with being a good school? They should just use the NCAA all time football rankings.
Time for someone to dredge up the "party school" rankings again.