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We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - outsideualr - 03-29-2012 08:22 AM
Two seniors who have been role players. Eric and Reggie. The rest will be younger, mostly freshmen and sophomores. So what would the lineup look like right now? Point guard. Lawton or freshman. Two guard. Dillard. Three. Taggart or freshman. Four. Will. and Five Javes and Leeper. However our incoming freshmen might have a greater impact than normal. Plus our two redshirts, Wilkerson and Wilmeth have been in the system for a year, and could contribute.
Lot of opportunity and competition for playing time this year. We should be pretty deep, talent wise, but a lot of inexperience.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - LRTrojan - 03-29-2012 09:33 AM
(03-29-2012 08:22 AM)outsideualr Wrote: Two seniors who have been role players. Eric and Reggie. The rest will be younger, mostly freshmen and sophomores. So what would the lineup look like right now? Point guard. Lawton or freshman. Two guard. Dillard. Three. Taggart or freshman. Four. Will. and Five Javes and Leeper. However our incoming freshmen might have a greater impact than normal. Plus our two redshirts, Wilkerson and Wilmeth have been in the system for a year, and could contribute.
Lot of opportunity and competition for playing time this year. We should be pretty deep, talent wise, but a lot of inexperience.:cheers:
Here we go again. It seems like every year we hear how "young" Shields teams are. Maybe that's why he's had a sub .500 record in five(if you count last years regular season before the tournament hot spurt)of his nine years. Take out his first two years when he won with Porter's players, he's pretty much been sub .500 in five of the other seven. I know some of you guys aren't gonna like this, but, as they say "it's in the books." Look it up.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - PTJR - 03-29-2012 10:11 AM
(03-29-2012 09:33 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:(03-29-2012 08:22 AM)outsideualr Wrote: Two seniors who have been role players. Eric and Reggie. The rest will be younger, mostly freshmen and sophomores. So what would the lineup look like right now? Point guard. Lawton or freshman. Two guard. Dillard. Three. Taggart or freshman. Four. Will. and Five Javes and Leeper. However our incoming freshmen might have a greater impact than normal. Plus our two redshirts, Wilkerson and Wilmeth have been in the system for a year, and could contribute.
Lot of opportunity and competition for playing time this year. We should be pretty deep, talent wise, but a lot of inexperience.:cheers:
Here we go again. It seems like every year we hear how "young" Shields teams are. Maybe that's why he's had a sub .500 record in five(if you count last years regular season before the tournament hot spurt)of his nine years. Take out his first two years when he won with Porter's players, he's pretty much been sub .500 in five of the other seven. I know some of you guys aren't gonna like this, but, as they say "it's in the books." Look it up.
Is that right? Have we really been sub .500 in five of the last seven years? Wow! I didn't realize it was that bad. Could you post the records for Little Rock for the end of the regular season for those years for everybody to review? I think it would be an eye opener to most as it would to me.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - outsideualr - 03-29-2012 10:59 AM
I know we've had a lot of losing regular season records, even in the year we went to the NCAA. However, I don't see any changes being made in the hiararchy of the program unless something really bad occurs. And if this continues, at some point someone might sense the program is not making progress. Without Solo's miracle shot there might have been some soul searching on Chris's part, but that one win enabled us to have what looks like a very good recruiting class, and on paper we look very solid for the next few years, assuming the core of our squad remains intact. I realize LRTrojan is convinced that the present coaching staff cannot take us to another level, and he might be right, but I think we're either on the verge of makiing a quantum leap in the next few years, and if we don't after another couple of seasons, I think there will be some reevaluation of the program.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - LRTrojan - 03-29-2012 12:55 PM
Overall Conference Tournament
2003-2004 17-12 9-5 1-1
2004-2005 18-10 10-4 0-1
2005-2006 14-15 5-9 1-1
2006-2007 13-17 8-10 0-1
2007-2008 20-11 11-7 2-1
2008-2009 23-8 15-3 1-1
2009-2010 8-22 4-14 0-1
2010-2011 19-17* 7-9 4-0 0-1 NCAA
2011-2012 15-16 11-5 0-1
Totals 147-128 80-66 9-8 0-1
* 15-16 regular season, therefore that's 5 below .500 regular season records out of 9.
I believe that's accurate. Someone will correct it if not.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - PTJR - 03-29-2012 01:27 PM
(03-29-2012 12:55 PM)LRTrojan Wrote: Overall Conference Tournament
2003-2004 17-12 9-5 1-1
2004-2005 18-10 10-4 0-1
2005-2006 14-15 5-9 1-1
2006-2007 13-17 8-10 0-1
2007-2008 20-11 11-7 2-1
2008-2009 23-8 15-3 1-1
2009-2010 8-22 4-14 0-1
2010-2011 19-17* 7-9 4-0 0-1 NCAA
2011-2012 15-16 11-5 0-1
Totals 147-128 80-66 9-8 0-1
* 15-16 regular season, therefore that's 5 below .500 regular season records out of 9.
I believe that's accurate. Someone will correct it if not.
That really is a very mediocre record for the regular seasons. There are four one and dones in the SBC Tournament as well. Maybe the recruiting of the last couple of years will start us on an upward trend. But it sure is easy to see why the public at large hasn't been beating down the doors of the Jack Stephens Center to see our team play.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - outsideualr - 03-29-2012 05:40 PM
There are several things that bring out big crowds. Winning consistently against top competition. Playing an exciting brand of basketball. Winning playing an exciting brand of basketball, and star power. A player or players that are putting up big numbers and are getting some national or at least regional notice, and/or a flamboyant, colorful coach. You can decide which of these categories describe our program for the last ten years. When you look at it this way, I think you can stop complaining about bad crowds and blaming it on Little Rock as a bad sports town. You produce a program that has all or even some of those qualities, and I can guarantee you that in time you'll start developing a larger fan base.
We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - insideualr - 03-29-2012 05:57 PM
Well that is true. The 23 win team should have had chance to play but without Moore i don't think we would have won a game.
Here is what we do have. We are loaded at the 4/5. The fr shooting guard from this year will be able to play for steve. Pg and sf will be up in the air but can win some ooc games and should be in the top,3 teams in conference.
Is the returning team as good as the 23 win team with fowler, moore, edwards, patterson, mouzy, smith?
It has some of the pieces but it has some holes too. Mainly moore and mouzy could shoot the ball.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - mjs - 03-29-2012 06:00 PM
(03-29-2012 05:40 PM)outsideualr Wrote: There are several things that bring out big crowds. Winning consistently against top competition. Playing an exciting brand of basketball. Winning playing an exciting brand of basketball, and star power. A player or players that are putting up big numbers and are getting some national or at least regional notice, and/or a flamboyant, colorful coach. You can decide which of these categories describe our program for the last ten years. When you look at it this way, I think you can stop complaining about bad crowds and blaming it on Little Rock as a bad sports town. You produce a program that has all or even some of those qualities, and I can guarantee you that in time you'll start developing a larger fan base.
Little Rock being a terrible sports town is the number one factor. Maybe a "name" coach would lead to some initial increase in attendance, but I doubt one is coming here (Wimp led to some intial increase, but I'm not sure Sidney did). Having an exciting player for a year or two won't change anything (we'll see what bump WN leads to in the next year or two). Winning might lead to a short term uptick, but usually people in this city don't even think about college basketball until the season is well more than half over. In the last 10 years this city has lost two hockey teams, a NBADL franchise, and an arena football team. We would have lost UALR basketball, many years ago (we almost did during the Newell era), if it was dependent only on attendance. The Travelers were saved by a new stadium, and continue to survive with various give-aways, 6 dollar tickets, and lots of concession sales. Little Rock is simply a bad sports town. Why that is I can't answer for certain. But pigmania probably factors in somewhere.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - PTJR - 03-29-2012 06:19 PM
(03-29-2012 06:00 PM)mjs Wrote:(03-29-2012 05:40 PM)outsideualr Wrote: There are several things that bring out big crowds. Winning consistently against top competition. Playing an exciting brand of basketball. Winning playing an exciting brand of basketball, and star power. A player or players that are putting up big numbers and are getting some national or at least regional notice, and/or a flamboyant, colorful coach. You can decide which of these categories describe our program for the last ten years. When you look at it this way, I think you can stop complaining about bad crowds and blaming it on Little Rock as a bad sports town. You produce a program that has all or even some of those qualities, and I can guarantee you that in time you'll start developing a larger fan base.
Little Rock being a terrible sports town is the number one factor. Maybe a "name" coach would lead to some initial increase in attendance, but I doubt one is coming here (Wimp led to some intial increase, but I'm not sure Sidney did). Having an exciting player for a year or two won't change anything (we'll see what bump WN leads to in the next year or two). Winning might lead to a short term uptick, but usually people in this city don't even think about college basketball until the season is well more than half over. In the last 10 years this city has lost two hockey teams, a NBADL franchise, and an arena football team. We would have lost UALR basketball, many years ago (we almost did during the Newell era), if it was dependent only on attendance. The Travelers were saved by a new stadium, and continue to survive with various give-aways, 6 dollar tickets, and lots of concession sales. Little Rock is simply a bad sports town. Why that is I can't answer for certain. But pigmania probably factors in somewhere.
I think Dr. J has some valid points. Saying that this city is a poor sports town because we've lot two hockey teams, a NBADL franchise, and arena football, to me means nothing. Come on. Hockey in Little Rock, Arkansas? Nobody anywhere cares about the NBADL, and around here very few even care about the NBA, me included. Arena football? Another marginal deal.
But, although LR is not a great sports town, they will come out under the right circumstances. Those circumstances just haven't been provided on any consistant basis in a long time out on University Avenue. And when we seem to be getting some momentum, we just pull a collapse. That doesn't get the ball rolling very well.
Winning, and winning is what works. And winning something that the everyday guy cares about is what counts. Not Divisional Championships or the like in the Sun Belt, but something on a more National stage. Like the women have done, even though women's athletics will never draw much in this state wherever played.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - MICHAELSPAPPY - 03-29-2012 07:24 PM
We are not quite as young as the roster looks. Gus, WN and James White all had redshirt years.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - mjs - 03-29-2012 07:31 PM
(03-29-2012 06:19 PM)PTJR Wrote:(03-29-2012 06:00 PM)mjs Wrote:(03-29-2012 05:40 PM)outsideualr Wrote: There are several things that bring out big crowds. Winning consistently against top competition. Playing an exciting brand of basketball. Winning playing an exciting brand of basketball, and star power. A player or players that are putting up big numbers and are getting some national or at least regional notice, and/or a flamboyant, colorful coach. You can decide which of these categories describe our program for the last ten years. When you look at it this way, I think you can stop complaining about bad crowds and blaming it on Little Rock as a bad sports town. You produce a program that has all or even some of those qualities, and I can guarantee you that in time you'll start developing a larger fan base.
Little Rock being a terrible sports town is the number one factor. Maybe a "name" coach would lead to some initial increase in attendance, but I doubt one is coming here (Wimp led to some intial increase, but I'm not sure Sidney did). Having an exciting player for a year or two won't change anything (we'll see what bump WN leads to in the next year or two). Winning might lead to a short term uptick, but usually people in this city don't even think about college basketball until the season is well more than half over. In the last 10 years this city has lost two hockey teams, a NBADL franchise, and an arena football team. We would have lost UALR basketball, many years ago (we almost did during the Newell era), if it was dependent only on attendance. The Travelers were saved by a new stadium, and continue to survive with various give-aways, 6 dollar tickets, and lots of concession sales. Little Rock is simply a bad sports town. Why that is I can't answer for certain. But pigmania probably factors in somewhere.
I think Dr. J has some valid points. Saying that this city is a poor sports town because we've lot two hockey teams, a NBADL franchise, and arena football, to me means nothing. Come on. Hockey in Little Rock, Arkansas? Nobody anywhere cares about the NBADL, and around here very few even care about the NBA, me included. Arena football? Another marginal deal.
But, although LR is not a great sports town, they will come out under the right circumstances. Those circumstances just haven't been provided on any consistant basis in a long time out on University Avenue. And when we seem to be getting some momentum, we just pull a collapse. That doesn't get the ball rolling very well.
Winning, and winning is what works. And winning something that the everyday guy cares about is what counts. Not Divisional Championships or the like in the Sun Belt, but something on a more National stage. Like the women have done, even though women's athletics will never draw much in this state wherever played.
Women's basketball used to fill 8000 seats in Ruston, La just 3 hours away- in a town a fraction of the size of Little Rock. We can't sell 2500 local tickets to an NCAA tournament game where the home team is playing. It really doesn't matter if it's men's basketball, women's basketball, NBADL, hockey, arena football, or baseball. If it doesn't have a hog on it, no one here cares. Yes, those are all "sports", whether you like them or not. It simply makes my point about LR not being a sports town.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - eh9198 - 03-29-2012 07:48 PM
(03-29-2012 08:22 AM)outsideualr Wrote: Two seniors who have been role players. Eric and Reggie. The rest will be younger, mostly freshmen and sophomores. So what would the lineup look like right now? Point guard. Lawton or freshman. Two guard. Dillard. Three. Taggart or freshman. Four. Will. and Five Javes and Leeper. However our incoming freshmen might have a greater impact than normal. Plus our two redshirts, Wilkerson and Wilmeth have been in the system for a year, and could contribute.
Lot of opportunity and competition for playing time this year. We should be pretty deep, talent wise, but a lot of inexperience.
Looks like if we add someone it will be a Juco guard. I'm still not sure why no one envisions Dillard running the point.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - MICHAELSPAPPY - 03-29-2012 07:59 PM
(03-29-2012 07:48 PM)eh9198 Wrote: I'm still not sure why no one envisions Dillard running the point.
My main guess would be that he is just too valuable at the 2.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - eh9198 - 03-29-2012 08:20 PM
I hope we're not overhyping Dillard here, and placing undue expectations on him. I myself looked forward to his arrival more than anyone last year except WN, but he really didn't do a massive amount of stuff. He was more of a role-player, IMO. Can he step into the main role? I think so and I hope so, but it still really is a roll of the dice.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - outsideualr - 03-29-2012 11:11 PM
I don't believe they're looking at him as a point guard. I think the kid from Shreveport is projected to be the starter at that position unless Lawton proves he can do the job at that spot.
We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - insideualr - 03-30-2012 06:15 AM
(03-29-2012 11:11 PM)outsideualr Wrote: I don't believe they're looking at him as a point guard. I think the kid from Shreveport is projected to be the starter at that position unless Lawton proves he can do the job at that spot.
+1
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - MICHAELSPAPPY - 03-30-2012 07:18 AM
(03-29-2012 08:20 PM)eh9198 Wrote: I hope we're not overhyping Dillard here, and placing undue expectations on him. I myself looked forward to his arrival more than anyone last year except WN, but he really didn't do a massive amount of stuff. He was more of a role-player, IMO. Can he step into the main role? I think so and I hope so, but it still really is a roll of the dice.
He just looked like a very good basketball player to me, good instincts and good teaching, and he can flat shoot the ball.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - outsideualr - 03-30-2012 08:02 AM
When I said a colorful, or somewhat flamboyant coach, I didn't mean necessarily a nationally known coach. Mike Newell certainly wasn't a big name when he came here, and I know he isn't a perfect example in some areas, but he was a colorful personality, had a knack for shaking things up and getting recognition for the program. There is no reason why we can't be a Louisville to Arkansas' Kentucky. We're in the center of the state, the state capitol, and have a lot of good things going for us. We've had some things against us in the past, but I think we're at a point where we could break through. But until we can develop a program that can play and win against some name opponents on a regular basis, as Butler and Gonzaga have done in the past, we're doomed to mediocrity.
And mediocrity doesn't draw sellout crowds, regardless of the size of the arena.
RE: We will be extraordinarily young this next season. - Jim Tripcony - 03-30-2012 08:06 AM
(03-29-2012 11:11 PM)outsideualr Wrote: I don't believe they're looking at him as a point guard. I think the kid from Shreveport is projected to be the starter at that position unless Lawton proves he can do the job at that spot.
Isn't Gillon from Houston the point guard? Hagins from Bossier a shooting guard?