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RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - L-yes - 09-05-2011 09:36 AM
(09-05-2011 05:52 AM)jtwvu87 Wrote: I heard it those negative comments by oliver luck..i could not believe or understand why he did that. he definitely said rutgers name in reference to losing money every year..i heard him say on sirius satellite radio yesterday during the rain delay.
If he's openly ripping Rutters I think it's safe to say there is a political divide in the league. I'm assuming Rutgers is ok with the hybrid status quo and WVU is not.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - mlb - 09-05-2011 10:08 AM
(09-05-2011 07:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: He wasn't airing out anything that wasn't already known. You were the one to point out that Rutgers lost more money than any other Division 1 football program, and you didn't get that from his speech...
Doesn't matter... saying it on a national broadcast makes it a political manuever by him. You don't see anyone in the ACC making negative statements about UNC or Miami. It is just in very poor taste, bit. Like I said before, that reflects bad on Luck and, considering he will be running into the same people over and over in his profession, may not have been a wise professional move.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - Ottoman - 09-05-2011 10:14 AM
Luck may also be frustrated with the way things are going in the BE. There was a gag order on Luck coming out of Providence and now with B12 schools maybe available, Luck has a vision and Marinatto may have a different vision. I'd good money that Luck's vision is better than Marinatto's. But the SEC won't consider Rutgers and the B10 Wont' consider WVU-- so what's the comparison?
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - SmallVoice - 09-05-2011 10:17 AM
Luck & Jurich are the Big East's best-known ADs. I find the difference between them amusing.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - UCbball21 - 09-05-2011 10:17 AM
I think that Luck was trying to make a statement of something going on behind the scenes. Whether it's a burn bridges (and couches) F you BE were in the SEC or an F you Rutgers for gauging ACC interest or something entirely different is up to us to speculate. Personally, I think Rutgers is the weak link when it comes to denying ACC overtures...AD's don't make comments like that for no reason. If that is indeed the case, I would take back my sentiments on Luck's comments.
Correct me if my speculation is 100% wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rutgers is looking for anyway to become competitive in football and/or basketball. The BE isn't allowing them to do either. Academics is another strong reason why Rutgers is going to seriously consider the ACC if the ACC comes calling.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - Ottoman - 09-05-2011 10:31 AM
(09-05-2011 10:17 AM)UCbball21 Wrote: I think that Luck was trying to make a statement of something going on behind the scenes. Whether it's a burn bridges (and couches) F you BE were in the SEC or an F you Rutgers for gauging ACC interest or something entirely different is up to us to speculate. Personally, I think Rutgers is the weak link when it comes to denying ACC overtures...AD's don't make comments like that for no reason. If that is indeed the case, I would take back my sentiments on Luck's comments.
Correct me if my speculation is 100% wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rutgers is looking for anyway to become competitive in football and/or basketball. The BE isn't allowing them to do either. Academics is another strong reason why Rutgers is going to seriously consider the ACC if the ACC comes calling.
I agree with you. I think Rutgers is the weak link but not because of the ACC, I think Rutgers is taking calls from the B10. The ACC is a nobody. Rutgers is AAU and fits in with the B10 and the B10 would love the a slice of the NYC market. But I also believe the B10 knows it needs the Be around to develop NYC and the northeast. I don't think they take Rutgers until after the new BE TV deal goes down. But you have to start dating now because Rutgers move may have to be for more than just money if the BE get big money in 2012.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - Bull - 09-05-2011 10:34 AM
I actually heard these comments. I know Luck has a lot of fans on this board, but I thought his comments were pretty poor. To be honest, he was talking already when I tuned in, but I did not hear anything positive about his current conference, just immediately started going on and on about how WV would be attractive to the SEC, ACC, B10, etc etc. Heard the RU slam. Talked about how any new BE candidate should live up the the WV standard (paraphrasing) for 'history' and attendance, but it's not like Morgantown has pro baseball or football to complete with... Wants to pay athletes.
I hope I missed it, but I heard zero conference loyalty or positivity, at a time when the BE could become something special. What a great start we had this weekend, maybe could pick up some great B12 schools, huge TV deal coming... and he's got one foot out the door. Even talked about how the upcoming reallignment could be an 'every man for himself', and reflected it with his comments. Very poor, Oliver...
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - TheJayBo - 09-05-2011 10:34 AM
(09-05-2011 07:57 AM)shocknawe Wrote: Oliver Luck is a clown, he should apologize to Rutgers fans for his lack of respect. Would WV fans like it if the Rutgers AD start talking about Holgorsen's penchant for alcohol and getting kicked out of casinos late night for god knows what? It's just stating a fact after all.
So that in return would mean you are labeled as a clown as well, since what you just did is no better.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - UCbball21 - 09-05-2011 10:44 AM
(09-05-2011 10:31 AM)Ottoman Wrote: I agree with you. I think Rutgers is the weak link but not because of the ACC, I think Rutgers is taking calls from the B10. The ACC is a nobody. Rutgers is AAU and fits in with the B10 and the B10 would love the a slice of the NYC market. But I also believe the B10 knows it needs the Be around to develop NYC and the northeast. I don't think they take Rutgers until after the new BE TV deal goes down. But you have to start dating now because Rutgers move may have to be for more than just money if the BE get big money in 2012.
I certainly think Rutgers is on the B1G radar but not as much as some of those Rutger fans on the message board. First off, the only way I see the B1G expanding is if the SEC surprises us all and jumps to 16 teams starting the 4 super conference arms race. Delany sees no reason to expand at this current junction and SEC growing to just 14 teams probably won't change his mind, only ND will. Secondly, there are several ACC schools with better credentials that I think the B1G would take instead. If the SEC leaves the ACC vulnerable I think there is a very real possibility the B1G goes after a combination of UNC, Duke, UVA, Maryland, and Georgia Tech, then there is also Missouri of course. I believe all 6 of those schools are equal or better additions than Rutgers and the B1G will only be looking at 3 assuming they leave the last slot open to force ND's hand. I'm much more concerned about Rutgers to the ACC...judging by the general opinion on that board, Rutgers fans believe the ACC is a better landing spot than the BE. What a clueless and pathetic fan base they are making themselves look like.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - TheJayBo - 09-05-2011 10:48 AM
If you look back to reports from the last couple of weeks, it is clear that Luck and Pederson (sp?) are not happy with the lack of proactiveness by the Big East conference. After listening to Luck's comments I believe they were more a referendum on the Big East taking things too slowly in terms of expansion and were made out of frustration.
500 people can listen to the same comments and derive 500 differents conclusions from them.
Some one correct me on this if I am wrong, but I believe Luck was making comments to the local WVU reporter on local WVU radio, which is then broadcast on Sirius.
If that is the case, then Luck probably wasn't thinking about the fact that it would get out nationally. He should be smarter than that, and should temper his comments, but he didn't say anything that wasn't already a matter of public record. And for the record, Rutgers fans have been lookin to leave the Big East since the talk of Big 10 expansion first began nearly 2 years ago.
Still, that doesn't make Luck's comments any more appropriate
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - Jackson1011 - 09-05-2011 10:49 AM
I didn't hear the interview myself, but from what I can gather it was probably the most candid interview by a WVU AD in a long while. Personally I thought the RU stuff would be a small blib on the radar of fans. Luck didn't say anything about RU that wasn't true. His take on the 16 team leagues forming was very interesting
Jackson
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - SO#1 - 09-05-2011 10:54 AM
Is he using Rutgers as an example as to why WVU should leave the Big East for not providing their member enough revenue?
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - UCbball21 - 09-05-2011 10:58 AM
(09-05-2011 10:34 AM)Bull Wrote: I actually heard these comments. I know Luck has a lot of fans on this board, but I thought his comments were pretty poor. To be honest, he was talking already when I tuned in, but I did not hear anything positive about his current conference, just immediately started going on and on about how WV would be attractive to the SEC, ACC, B10, etc etc. Heard the RU slam. Talked about how any new BE candidate should live up the the WV standard (paraphrasing) for 'history' and attendance, but it's not like Morgantown has pro baseball or football to complete with... Wants to pay athletes.
I hope I missed it, but I heard zero conference loyalty or positivity, at a time when the BE could become something special. What a great start we had this weekend, maybe could pick up some great B12 schools, huge TV deal coming... and he's got one foot out the door. Even talked about how the upcoming reallignment could be an 'every man for himself', and reflected it with his comments. Very poor, Oliver...
Not good to hear...this every man for himself attitude could very well mean the end of the BE. It's pathetic, all of these teams have a chance to create something special in a revamped BE but it will take loyalty to get there. If the BE plays its cards right they could add KU, Missouri, and the leftovers of the ACC (preferably Miami, Boston College, Maryland, NCSU/Clemson, and Georgia Tech) to form an amazing conference. We are talking about easily the best conference in basketball, a strong football super conference, and by far the largest footprint which could lead to a BETN not even rivaled by the PAC-12 network or the BTN. I can see a bright future for the BE, it is a shame many other fellow BE fans do not.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - Ottoman - 09-05-2011 11:00 AM
(09-05-2011 10:54 AM)SO#1 Wrote: Is he using Rutgers as an example as to why WVU should leave the Big East for not providing their member enough revenue?
The new TV deal will provide more revenue. MOre than the ACC is currently getting by estimations.
Rutgers isn't exactly a HOT commodity in college Fb or BB. IF they had more success they'd have better attendance and more sports revenue. IF Rutgers thinks ACC or B10 colleges will fill more seats in New Jersey than BE schools--g good luck with that. talk to Boston College.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - dogma - 09-05-2011 11:10 AM
Telling that the only ones here defending Luck's comments are WVU fans.
While those stating it was in bad/poor taste are not just Rutgers fans.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - TRest3 - 09-05-2011 11:13 AM
(09-05-2011 11:10 AM)dogma Wrote: Telling that the only ones here defending Luck's comments are WVU fans.
While those stating it was in bad/poor taste are not just Rutgers fans.
That Rutgers board will start a 2 page thread if someone sees a RU bumper sticker when traveling out of state. They overreact to everything.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - UofLgrad07 - 09-05-2011 11:13 AM
Oliver Luck is a complex figure IMO. I think the man is very intelligent and has a great talent for certain aspects of his job (he has done well with picking coaches, getting certain projects off the ground, keeping WVU competitive across the board, etc). At the same time, I think he lacks professionalism and has repeatedly displayed a lack of common sense. For example:
- Big East Commissioner John Marinatto issued a gag order of sorts on members discussing expansion. Rather than respecting the wishes of the conference, Luck decided to have a long, public discussion about the topic. While some people may appreciate the candor and airing of conference laundry that Luck provided, I can't imagine that the conference office or some of the university presidents were too thrilled. So it begs the question, as a professional sports administrator, why would you directly do something that you know will anger the conference head office and some of your fellow conference members?
- Twice, Oliver Luck has been promoting the upsides of WVU while at the same time casting a negative light on a fellow conference school. Why do that at all? How is that professional or a good idea? Is the man so insecure about his school's position that he feels the need to point out "look how much better our school is than theirs"? Whenever Jurich promotes UofL, he focuses solely on UofL and the positives it has. You'll never hear him say something like "Unlike _____ and their 40 year old dumps, we have great facilities". Why? Because not only would those comments offend a fellow conference member, they do nothing to promote UofL or its current conference.
In addition, I have to scratch my head at some of Luck's statements. Take for example this one:
(09-05-2011 05:19 AM)Oliver Luck Wrote: Generating revenue will be a huge challenge for all the Big East teams, Luck said, noting that Rutgers' athletic program had a $25 million deficit.
"Unlike Rutgers and most other schools, WVU has a self-financing athletic department. ...We are one of only 22 in the nation," Luck said, adding that it's his job to keep it that way.
The $25 million dollar figure that Luck cites combines both institutional support and student fees. For 2009-2010, Rutgers relied on $18m in institutional support and $8.4 million in student fees to break even.
Now when we look at WVU, it is indeed a self financing athletic department as revenues exceeded expenses by $5.4 million dollars. However, while Luck counts institutional support and student fees at Rutgers as deficits, WVU counts them as revenues. If you subtract out $4.1 million in student fees and another $150K in support as Luck does from Rutgers, the overall revenue for WVU shrinks to a little over $1 million. WVU is still self-financing without its student fees, but one must also consider that WVU only sponsors 17 sports to Rutgers 24. I guaranteed that if WVU sponsored the same number of sports as Rutgers, there is no way the department would be able to remain self financed without dropping expeditures on its two big sports. So while he does have a point, I'm not sure that it is exactly an apples to apples comparison.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - UofLgrad07 - 09-05-2011 11:21 AM
(09-05-2011 10:49 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote: Luck didn't say anything about RU that wasn't true. His take on the 16 team leagues forming was very interesting
I don't really have a dog in this race, but put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if Rutgers AD said something alone these lines when talking about Rutgers joining another conference:
"Unlike at WVU which hires coaches with known alcohol issues, we only hire coaches that can serve as good leaders to the young men and women of our university."
Now, the AD wouldn't be saying anything that wasn't true. Both Huggins and Holgorsen have very well documents alcohol problems. Would you be offended as a WVU fans? How do you think the WVU message boards would respond? Would you consider the statements to be both unprofessional and disrespectful towards WVU, especially since it was coming from an AD of a fellow conference member (even though there wasn't anything false about what he said)? I would think such a statement would be unprofessional and disrespectful to a fellow conference member and I'm not even a WVU fan.
The point is I don't see any problem with Luck wanting to pimp WVU and its merits. However, I do think it is unprofessional, disrespectful ,and unwise to do it in a way that casts a negative shadow on a fellow conference member.
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - Jackson1011 - 09-05-2011 11:31 AM
(09-05-2011 11:21 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:(09-05-2011 10:49 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote: Luck didn't say anything about RU that wasn't true. His take on the 16 team leagues forming was very interesting
I don't really have a dog in this race, but put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if Rutgers AD said something alone these lines when talking about Rutgers joining another conference:
"Unlike at WVU which hires coaches with known alcohol issues, we only hire coaches that can serve as good leaders to the young men and women of our university."
Now, the AD wouldn't be saying anything that wasn't true. Both Huggins and Holgorsen have very well documents alcohol problems. Would you be offended as a WVU fans? How do you think the WVU message boards would respond? Would you consider the statements to be both unprofessional and disrespectful towards WVU, especially since it was coming from an AD of a fellow conference member (even though there wasn't anything false about what he said)?
Nope, I don't really care what other schools' announcers are saying on their own broadcasts. Remember this interview was given on the Mountaineer Sports Network. The Huntington/Marshall media makes the points you did in your post with regularity, I'm sure thier play by play guys did last night too. The Rutgers sports network can bash away about our coach's, very poor baseball program or whatever. That's part of sports
Jackson
RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast? - SF Husky - 09-05-2011 11:45 AM
(09-05-2011 11:21 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:(09-05-2011 10:49 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote: Luck didn't say anything about RU that wasn't true. His take on the 16 team leagues forming was very interesting
I don't really have a dog in this race, but put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if Rutgers AD said something alone these lines when talking about Rutgers joining another conference:
"Unlike at WVU which hires coaches with known alcohol issues, we only hire coaches that can serve as good leaders to the young men and women of our university."
Now, the AD wouldn't be saying anything that wasn't true. Both Huggins and Holgorsen have very well documents alcohol problems. Would you be offended as a WVU fans? How do you think the WVU message boards would respond? Would you consider the statements to be both unprofessional and disrespectful towards WVU, especially since it was coming from an AD of a fellow conference member (even though there wasn't anything false about what he said)? I would think such a statement would be unprofessional and disrespectful to a fellow conference member and I'm not even a WVU fan.
The point is I don't see any problem with Luck wanting to pimp WVU and its merits. However, I do think it is unprofessional, disrespectful ,and unwise to do it in a way that casts a negative shadow on a fellow conference member.
Did Luck mention WVU's below average academics or lack of BE championships among all sports? Did he mention WVU's tiny TV markets?
Yeah I can see B1G, SEC and ACC would be all over that
I am no fan of RU in anything. I think they are definitely a program with that loser mentality. However, going on air touting WVU while bashing a fellow conference member is just bad media practice.
If you want to see the best run athletic departments in the BE, look no further than UL and UCONN.