Quote:The (original) film's replica Russian T-72 tank was so precise that when it was transported to the studio, two CIA agents followed and wanted to know where it had come from.

(06-08-2010 09:07 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The premise that we could be invaded is so outrageous that I could not even begin to buy into it.

(06-08-2010 09:26 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't know why the premise of invasion seems so outrageous, Fo Shizzle. They could march right in from Mexico and there is not enough here to stop them immediately.

(06-08-2010 09:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:26 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't know why the premise of invasion seems so outrageous, Fo Shizzle. They could march right in from Mexico and there is not enough here to stop them immediately.

To mount an invasion....you need to have an ally that will allow you a staging area(as we had in WW2) and the subsequent supply lines to feed it...or you need to be on the border of the land you wish to invade. Neither of these things are even a slight possibility today. We are very geographically blessed and both of our neighbors are heavily reliant upon America for their incomes. Red Dawn was Hollywood....enjoy it...WTF..but let's not buy into it for more that entertainment. .

(06-08-2010 09:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:26 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't know why the premise of invasion seems so outrageous, Fo Shizzle. They could march right in from Mexico and there is not enough here to stop them immediately.

To mount an invasion....you need to have an ally that will allow you a staging area(as we had in WW2) and the subsequent supply lines to feed it...or you need to be on the border of the land you wish to invade. Neither of these things are even a slight possibility today. We are very geographically blessed and both of our neighbors are heavily reliant upon America for their incomes. Red Dawn was Hollywood....enjoy it...WTF..but let's not buy into it for more that entertainment. .

(06-08-2010 09:07 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The premise that we could be invaded is so outrageous that I could not even begin to buy into it.

(06-08-2010 09:58 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  These initial attacks are coordinated with selective nuke strikes and the missiles are a helluva lot more accurate than we thought. The Russians took out the silos in the Dakotas and other key points of communication like Omaha, Washington, Kansas City.

(06-08-2010 09:58 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:26 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't know why the premise of invasion seems so outrageous, Fo Shizzle. They could march right in from Mexico and there is not enough here to stop them immediately.

To mount an invasion....you need to have an ally that will allow you a staging area(as we had in WW2) and the subsequent supply lines to feed it...or you need to be on the border of the land you wish to invade. Neither of these things are even a slight possibility today. We are very geographically blessed and both of our neighbors are heavily reliant upon America for their incomes. Red Dawn was Hollywood....enjoy it...WTF..but let's not buy into it for more that entertainment. .

Here is how I see an imvasion happening.
Russia suffers worst wheat harvest in 55 years. Labor and food riots in Ukraine, so Russian troops invade. Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela reach troop strength goals of 500,000. El Salvador and Honduras fall to Communist / Socialist governments. The Green Party gains control of the German Parliament and demands withdrawal of nuclear weapons from European soil. Mexico plunged into narco revolution... NATO dissolves, Turkey goes Islamic - and then the United States stands alone.
The first wave of the Russian attack on America comes in disguised as commercial charter flights same way they did in Afghanistan in '80. Only these are crack Airborne outfits. They take the passes in the Rockies.
These initial attacks are coordinated with selective nuke strikes and the missiles are a helluva lot more accurate than we thought. The Russians took out the silos in the Dakotas and other key points of communication like Omaha, Washington, Kansas City.
After the first waves, infiltrators come up illegal from Mexico, though they are Cubans mostly. They manage to infiltrate SAC bases in the Midwest, several down in Texas and wreak a helluva lot of havoc. The infliltrators open up the door down south, and the whole Cuban & Nicaraguan armies come walking right through, and roll right up through the Great Plains.
They get as far as north as Cheyenne, and east across to Kansas. The USA would probably hold them at the Rockies and the Mississippi, but the Russians reinforced with 60 divisions, sending three whole army groups across the Bering Strait into Alaska, cut the pipeline, across Canada and link up here in the middle of the country, but the military now has time to recover and will stop their butt cold.
After that the lines will pretty much stabilize.
Europe figures that twice in one century was enough, and they're sitting this one out. All except England, and they won't last. Who else *is* on our side? Around six hundred million screaming Chinamen.
The Russians need to take us in one piece, and that's why they've invaded. That's why they won't use nukes after the first strike; and we won't either, not on our own soil. The whole damn thing's pretty conventional a couple weeks in.

(06-08-2010 11:44 PM)jh Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:58 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  These initial attacks are coordinated with selective nuke strikes and the missiles are a helluva lot more accurate than we thought. The Russians took out the silos in the Dakotas and other key points of communication like Omaha, Washington, Kansas City.

Didn't you see War Games? Nobody wins when the nukes start flying.

(06-08-2010 09:46 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:26 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't know why the premise of invasion seems so outrageous, Fo Shizzle. They could march right in from Mexico and there is not enough here to stop them immediately.

To mount an invasion....you need to have an ally that will allow you a staging area(as we had in WW2) and the subsequent supply lines to feed it...or you need to be on the border of the land you wish to invade. Neither of these things are even a slight possibility today. We are very geographically blessed and both of our neighbors are heavily reliant upon America for their incomes. Red Dawn was Hollywood....enjoy it...WTF..but let's not buy into it for more that entertainment. .

I don't agree with your premises. Two or three nukes in shipping containers would paralyze this country. The only thing needed is an anti-ship weapon that beats our defenses. With those two things we are as vulnerable as South Korea.

(06-08-2010 09:46 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:26 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't know why the premise of invasion seems so outrageous, Fo Shizzle. They could march right in from Mexico and there is not enough here to stop them immediately.

To mount an invasion....you need to have an ally that will allow you a staging area(as we had in WW2) and the subsequent supply lines to feed it...or you need to be on the border of the land you wish to invade. Neither of these things are even a slight possibility today. We are very geographically blessed and both of our neighbors are heavily reliant upon America for their incomes. Red Dawn was Hollywood....enjoy it...WTF..but let's not buy into it for more that entertainment. .

I don't agree with your premises. Two or three nukes in shipping containers would paralyze this country. The only thing needed is an anti-ship weapon that beats our defenses. With those two things we are as vulnerable as South Korea.

(06-09-2010 04:13 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:46 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:26 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't know why the premise of invasion seems so outrageous, Fo Shizzle. They could march right in from Mexico and there is not enough here to stop them immediately.

To mount an invasion....you need to have an ally that will allow you a staging area(as we had in WW2) and the subsequent supply lines to feed it...or you need to be on the border of the land you wish to invade. Neither of these things are even a slight possibility today. We are very geographically blessed and both of our neighbors are heavily reliant upon America for their incomes. Red Dawn was Hollywood....enjoy it...WTF..but let's not buy into it for more that entertainment. .

I don't agree with your premises. Two or three nukes in shipping containers would paralyze this country. The only thing needed is an anti-ship weapon that beats our defenses. With those two things we are as vulnerable as South Korea.

Have you heard about this little toy? Turn any merchie into a warship in about an hour.

MOSCOW - A Russian company is marketing a devastating new cruise missile system which can be hidden inside a shipping container, giving any merchant vessel the capability to wipe out an aircraft carrier.

Potential customers for the formidable Club-K system include Kremlin allies Iran and Venezuela, say defense experts. They worry that countries could pass on the satellite-guided missiles, which are very hard to detect, to terrorist groups.

"At a stroke, the Club-K gives a long-range precision strike capability to ordinary vehicles that can be moved to almost any place on earth without attracting attention," said Robert Hewson of Jane's Defense Weekly, who first disclosed its existence.

A promotional video for the Club-K on the website of Moscow-based makers Kontsern-Morinformsistema-Agat shows an imaginary tropical country facing a land, sea and air attack from a hostile neighbor.

It fights back by loading three shipping containers concealing Club-Ks onto a truck, a train and a ship, disperses them, and then launches a devastating strike on its enemy, destroying its warships, tanks and airfields.

"The idea that you can hide a missile system in a box and drive it around without anyone knowing is pretty new," said Hewson, who is editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons.

"Nobody's ever done that before."

Hewson estimated the cost of the Club-K system, which packs four ground or sea-launched cruise missiles into a standard 40-foot shipping container, at $10-20 million.

"Unless sales are very tightly controlled, there is a danger that it could end up in the wrong hands," he said.

The promotional video showed how an ordinary shipping container with the Club-K inside could be hidden among other containers on a train or a ship. When required, the roof lifts off and the four missiles stand upright ready to fire.

An official reached by telephone at makers Kontsern Morinformsistema-Agat declined to answer questions about the Club-K.

He said the firm had no spokesman and he needed time to study written questions before passing a request to the firm's management.

Russia is one of the world's top arms exporters, selling a record $8.5 billion of weapons last year to countries ranging from Syria and Venezuela to Algeria and China. Its order book is estimated to top $40 billion.

Mikhail Barabanov, a defense expert at Russia's Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), said that as far as he understood, the Club-K was still at the concept stage.

"Potential clients include anyone who likes the idea," he said. "It is known that the United Arab Emirates has shown interest in buying the Club."

Barabanov said the Club-K used proven missiles from Novator, an established Russian maker of weaponry including anti-submarine, surface-to-air and submarine-launched missiles.

One of the missiles on offer is a special anti-ship variant with a second stage which splits off after launch and accelerates to supersonic speeds of up to Mach 3.

"It's a carrier-killer," said Hewson of Jane's. "If you are hit by one or two of them, the kinetic impact is vast...it's horrendous."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63P2XB20100426

(06-08-2010 11:48 PM)Tulsaman Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 11:44 PM)jh Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:58 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  These initial attacks are coordinated with selective nuke strikes and the missiles are a helluva lot more accurate than we thought. The Russians took out the silos in the Dakotas and other key points of communication like Omaha, Washington, Kansas City.

Didn't you see War Games? Nobody wins when the nukes start flying.

but no body loses either.

(06-09-2010 07:38 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 11:48 PM)Tulsaman Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 11:44 PM)jh Wrote:  

(06-08-2010 09:58 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  These initial attacks are coordinated with selective nuke strikes and the missiles are a helluva lot more accurate than we thought. The Russians took out the silos in the Dakotas and other key points of communication like Omaha, Washington, Kansas City.

Didn't you see War Games? Nobody wins when the nukes start flying.

but no body loses either.

I dunno. Since "War Games," Sarah Jessica Parker lost her original nose.