Quote:Without any evidence, many U.S. politicians and “Iran experts” have dismissed Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s reelection Friday, with 62.6 percent of the vote, as fraud.


They ignore the fact that Ahmadinejad’s 62.6 percent of the vote in this year’s election is essentially the same as the 61.69 percent he received in the final count of the 2005 presidential election, when he trounced former President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. The shock of the “Iran experts” over Friday’s results is entirely self-generated, based on their preferred assumptions and wishful thinking.

(06-16-2009 06:06 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  The Iranians are now having a partial recount. Ha! That wont work giving the alleged "margin of victory".

:muttering: And what is Obamagog doing? Zilch.

President Barack Obama says he believes supreme leader Ayatollah ali Khamenei has deep concerns about the civil unrest that has followed the hotly contested presidential election there.

Obama repeated Tuesday at a news conference his "deep concerns" about the disputed balloting. He said he believes the ayatollah's decision to order an investigation "indicates he understands the Iranian people have deep concerns."

But at the same time, Obama said it would not be helpful if the United States was seen by the world as "meddling" in the issue.

The president did say, however, that he worries "when I see violence directed at peaceful protesters, when I see peaceful protest being suppressed."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D98RSCDG4&show_article=1

(06-16-2009 06:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  I'm sure the recount will result in lots of hangings, unfortunately it won't be Chads.

(06-16-2009 05:08 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Because both elections ended with similar results both must have been fair and free of any MATERIAL FRAUD.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:I love this logic, Iran is a great democracy as good or better than the U.S. so two elections where the same candidate gets about the same percentage of the vote is proof the election was fair???

Quote:Although Iran’s elections are not free by Western standards, the Islamic Republic has a 30-year history of highly contested and competitive elections at the presidential, parliamentary and local levels.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:This ignores the fact there was a larger turnout for this election.

Quote:The “Iran experts” further argue that the high turnout on June 12 — 82 percent of the electorate — had to favor Mousavi. But this line of analysis reflects nothing more than assumptions.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Iran's economy is horrible.

Quote:American “Iran experts” assumed that “disastrous” economic conditions in Iran would undermine Ahmadinejad’s reelection prospects. But the International Monetary Fund projects that Iran’s economy will actually grow modestly this year (when the economies of most Gulf Arab states are in recession). A significant number of Iranians — including the religiously pious, lower-income groups, civil servants and pensioners — appear to believe that Ahmadinejad’s policies have benefited them.

And, while many Iranians complain about inflation, the TFT poll found that most Iranian voters do not hold Ahmadinejad responsible.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Iran's standing in the world is blemished, well except in President Hussein's eyes.

Quote:Similarly, Ahmadinejad’s criticism that Mousavi’s reformist supporters, including Khatami, had been willing to suspend Iran’s uranium enrichment program and had won nothing from the West for doing so tapped into popular support for the program — and had the added advantage of being true.

Quote:Before the debates, both Mousavi and Ahmadinejad campaign aides indicated privately that they perceived a surge of support for Mousavi; after the debates, the same aides concluded that Ahmadinejad’s provocatively impressive performance and Mousavi’s desultory one had boosted the incumbent’s standing. Ahmadinejad’s charge that Mousavi was supported by Rafsanjani’s sons — widely perceived in Iranian society as corrupt figures — seemed to play well with voters.

Quote:But the one poll conducted before Friday’s election by a Western organization that was transparent about its methodology — a telephone poll carried out by the Washington-based Terror-Free Tomorrow from May 11 to 20 — found Ahmadinejad running 20 points ahead of Mousavi.

(06-16-2009 07:55 PM)jh Wrote:  

(06-16-2009 05:08 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Because both elections ended with similar results both must have been fair and free of any MATERIAL FRAUD.

They make no such claim.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:I love this logic, Iran is a great democracy as good or better than the U.S. so two elections where the same candidate gets about the same percentage of the vote is proof the election was fair???

Again, they make no such claim.

Quote:Although Iran’s elections are not free by Western standards, the Islamic Republic has a 30-year history of highly contested and competitive elections at the presidential, parliamentary and local levels.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:This ignores the fact there was a larger turnout for this election.

They address this issue.

Quote:The “Iran experts” further argue that the high turnout on June 12 — 82 percent of the electorate — had to favor Mousavi. But this line of analysis reflects nothing more than assumptions.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Iran's economy is horrible.

And this one.

Quote:American “Iran experts” assumed that “disastrous” economic conditions in Iran would undermine Ahmadinejad’s reelection prospects. But the International Monetary Fund projects that Iran’s economy will actually grow modestly this year (when the economies of most Gulf Arab states are in recession). A significant number of Iranians — including the religiously pious, lower-income groups, civil servants and pensioners — appear to believe that Ahmadinejad’s policies have benefited them.

And, while many Iranians complain about inflation, the TFT poll found that most Iranian voters do not hold Ahmadinejad responsible.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Iran's standing in the world is blemished, well except in President Hussein's eyes.

This one too.

Quote:Similarly, Ahmadinejad’s criticism that Mousavi’s reformist supporters, including Khatami, had been willing to suspend Iran’s uranium enrichment program and had won nothing from the West for doing so tapped into popular support for the program — and had the added advantage of being true.

You also conveniently ignored this

Quote:Before the debates, both Mousavi and Ahmadinejad campaign aides indicated privately that they perceived a surge of support for Mousavi; after the debates, the same aides concluded that Ahmadinejad’s provocatively impressive performance and Mousavi’s desultory one had boosted the incumbent’s standing. Ahmadinejad’s charge that Mousavi was supported by Rafsanjani’s sons — widely perceived in Iranian society as corrupt figures — seemed to play well with voters.

And this

Quote:But the one poll conducted before Friday’s election by a Western organization that was transparent about its methodology — a telephone poll carried out by the Washington-based Terror-Free Tomorrow from May 11 to 20 — found Ahmadinejad running 20 points ahead of Mousavi.

Of course, I believe something like 57% of the respondents were still undecided, so it's not the most convincing of polls.

Would you care to actually address any of their points?

(06-16-2009 08:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Sure... Liberal view of Iran's election. :goodnight:

(06-16-2009 06:06 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  The Iranians are now having a partial recount. Ha! That wont work giving the alleged "margin of victory".

:muttering: And what is Obamagog doing? Zilch.

(06-17-2009 11:28 AM)At Ease Wrote:  

(06-16-2009 06:06 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  The Iranians are now having a partial recount. Ha! That wont work giving the alleged "margin of victory".

:muttering: And what is Obamagog doing? Zilch.

What do you think he should do? The minute we interject ourselves into the matter, we provide a convenient distraction for the mullahs to divert the attention of Iranians away from the thuggery and faux democracy drawing their ire now.

(06-17-2009 11:28 AM)At Ease Wrote:  

(06-16-2009 06:06 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  The Iranians are now having a partial recount. Ha! That wont work giving the alleged "margin of victory".

:muttering: And what is Obamagog doing? Zilch.

What do you think he should do? The minute we interject ourselves into the matter, we provide a convenient distraction for the mullahs to divert the attention of Iranians away from the thuggery and faux democracy drawing their ire now.

(06-17-2009 12:12 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-17-2009 11:28 AM)At Ease Wrote:  

(06-16-2009 06:06 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  The Iranians are now having a partial recount. Ha! That wont work giving the alleged "margin of victory".

:muttering: And what is Obamagog doing? Zilch.

What do you think he should do? The minute we interject ourselves into the matter, we provide a convenient distraction for the mullahs to divert the attention of Iranians away from the thuggery and faux democracy drawing their ire now.

Nuke 'em.

(06-17-2009 08:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I predict that in a month....this all will be a forgotten story. Iran will still be in control of tyranny...just as America is. Neither populace is ready to do what it takes to achieve liberty in their lifetimes.