(04-24-2009 07:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I heard a commentator today (don't remember who, but he was a US commentator speaking on BBC) say something very interesting. He said that Obama "has always taken the path of least resistance." There probably is no path of least resistance on this issue. That could be a problem.

In the larger picture, I'm not sure how much I want someone who always takes the path of least resistance in a leadership role.

(04-24-2009 07:17 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

(04-24-2009 08:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 07:17 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Pastor Neimollers words still ring true.

And yet when I speak out about the inherent violence of the state some people say I'm "overdoing it"

(04-24-2009 09:43 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 08:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 07:17 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Pastor Neimollers words still ring true.

And yet when I speak out about the inherent violence of the state some people say I'm "overdoing it"

The question is: what are you prepared to do about it? Actions do speak louder than anonymous INTERNET words.

(04-24-2009 09:43 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The question is: what are you prepared to do about it? Actions do speak louder than anonymous INTERNET words.

(04-24-2009 10:27 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 09:43 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The question is: what are you prepared to do about it? Actions do speak louder than anonymous INTERNET words.

There really are only two answers to your question. Either vote democrat or vote republican. Vote for the party that "takes" the least. Having said that I think there's now only one answer to that question.

(04-24-2009 10:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 10:27 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 09:43 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The question is: what are you prepared to do about it? Actions do speak louder than anonymous INTERNET words.

There really are only two answers to your question. Either vote democrat or vote republican. Vote for the party that "takes" the least. Having said that I think there's now only one answer to that question.

They both take WAY too much for my comfort.

(04-24-2009 10:54 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 10:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 10:27 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 09:43 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The question is: what are you prepared to do about it? Actions do speak louder than anonymous INTERNET words.

There really are only two answers to your question. Either vote democrat or vote republican. Vote for the party that "takes" the least. Having said that I think there's now only one answer to that question.

They both take WAY too much for my comfort.

True, but it's the lesser of two evils theory at work.

(04-24-2009 06:44 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  But you can't impeach this Federal Judge for something he wrote seven years ago..Federal Statute of Limitations is 5 years.

Some Democrats in Congress are having a tough time convincing President Obama, as well as their colleagues, to form an independent "truth" commission to probe the evolution of interrogation tactics under the Bush administration.

So lawmakers who oppose those techniques are looking for the next best thing -- the impeachment of one of the authors of the so-called "torture memos."

Jay Bybee, one of the lawyers who wrote the opinions justifying the tactics, is now a federal judge in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

That should change, some Democrats say.

"I think someone who writes a how-to memo on how to break the law should not be a federal judge," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.

Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee that gave Bybee a thumbs-up before he was confirmed by the full Senate, argues there never would have been a vote if those memos had been in the record at the time.

"Neither the White House, the Bush administration nor Mr. Bybee gave us the full truth when his nomination was before the Senate," the Vermont senator said. "Had we been given the full truth about what he did, he never would have been confirmed by the Senate. I think both Republicans and Democrats would have voted him down."

Democrats are getting a lot of pressure from left-leaning groups who are after Bybee's hide.

But Republicans seem to be bracing for a fight. Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., thinks it would be wrong to judge those legal opinions without considering they were written shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks -- when the CIA was trying to track down other Al Qaeda threats against the country.

"I think Judge Bybee should be given a medal for what he did," King said. "But even if I disagreed with those memos, these were memos written in good faith. These are well-written, well-reasoned memos -- people may disagree with them, but he belongs on the bench, he should stay on the bench."

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is on record strongly opposing the techniques used by the CIA, but he thinks it would be wrong to go after Bybee now.

"These people gave their honest opinions even if they were wrong," he told FOX News. "So now we're supposed to investigate them and criminalize them because of their honest opinions? You know, if you went after every lawyer in America who gave bad advice, we'd have pretty crowded dockets."

President Obama on Tuesday opened the door for the possible prosecution of those lawyers who drafted the Department of Justice memos, by deferring to the attorney general on the matter.

Attorney General Eric Holder says only that he'll follow the law in examining the memos, and since Tuesday, Obama has seemed to back away from the calls on the left for a criminal probe.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/24/democrats-impeachment-judge-justified-interrogation-tactics/

(04-24-2009 07:43 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

Boys if this don't show ya that they are desperately Witch Hunting, then you are pure Blind Bats.

This is just pathetic and if Obama has any guts at all, he will STOP this crap TODAY and make sure it never comes up again.

You Liberals are the Sorest Winners I have ever witnessed.

This is why you always fail at everything you do, you are mean, spite filled, hateful dogs who just will not quit ripping into some dead end cause.

May you all feel the sting of being ousted in the Next Congressional Election and then the White "Howze".

Enough of this people.

This man won't show the People who Hired Him his Real and True Birth Certificate, yet he allows and even was Spearheading endless Witch Hunts into the past administration ....

What a Great Guy and Brave New Leader this Hussein is !!!!!

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(04-24-2009 09:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I'm partially thinking the memos were released to make Bush look bad which would cause us to focus on him instead of Obama. And I'm also wondering what the intelligence committee members may or may not have known. I heard a quick blurb on the radio of Pelosi denying any democrats knew of the harsh treatment which means someone is saying they did. Obama never should have released the memos.

(04-24-2009 10:54 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 10:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 10:27 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-24-2009 09:43 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The question is: what are you prepared to do about it? Actions do speak louder than anonymous INTERNET words.

There really are only two answers to your question. Either vote democrat or vote republican. Vote for the party that "takes" the least. Having said that I think there's now only one answer to that question.

They both take WAY too much for my comfort.

True, but it's the lesser of two evils theory at work.