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The Bush Endorsement - THE NC Herd Fan - 03-05-2008 08:15 PM
I don't understand McCain accepting the endorsement.
Here is a president with a disapproval rating higher than the approval rating it would appear that would be a negative not a positive endorsement. I think this hurts McCain more than helps, the 30% or so that approve of Bush performance were already going to vote for McCain.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - RobertN - 03-05-2008 09:16 PM
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:I don't understand McCain accepting the endorsement.Yes and no. There was really nothing he could do. Out of courtesy he had to go at some point but he almost had to do it early so he could get Bush out there to help him raise money. But yes, it does hurt him. He will now have McBush ads all over the place from Move On and similar organizations then when there is a winner in the Democratic race, they will do the same. I also wouldn't be sure that those 30% or so would vote for him. Those were mostly the ones upset that McCain won(ie your right talk radio hosts and those that follow them like lemmings) so I am not so sure they will come out and vote for him-UNLESS Hillary wins.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - Fo Shizzle - 03-05-2008 09:32 PM
RobertN Wrote:THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:I don't understand McCain accepting the endorsement.Yes and no. There was really nothing he could do. Out of courtesy he had to go at some point but he almost had to do it early so he could get Bush out there to help him raise money. But yes, it does hurt him. He will now have McBush ads all over the place from Move On and similar organizations then when there is a winner in the Democratic race, they will do the same. I also wouldn't be sure that those 30% or so would vote for him. Those were mostly the ones upset that McCain won(ie your right talk radio hosts and those that follow them like lemmings) so I am not so sure they will come out and vote for him-UNLESS Hillary wins.
I dont think this really has any impact at all...the Hawks and Religous Right will approve and it will help raise funds....The Libs are NOT going to vote for MCWar anyway shouldnt be suprised.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - Rebel - 03-05-2008 09:58 PM
Fo Shizzle Wrote:I dont think this really has any impact at all...the Hawks and Religous Right will approve and it will help raise funds....The Libs are NOT going to vote for MCWar anyway shouldnt be suprised.
....and most conservatives are going to be voting against Oblinton, not for McCain.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - Fo Shizzle - 03-05-2008 10:40 PM
RebelKev Wrote:Fo Shizzle Wrote:I dont think this really has any impact at all...the Hawks and Religous Right will approve and it will help raise funds....The Libs are NOT going to vote for MCWar anyway shouldnt be suprised.
....and most conservatives are going to be voting against Oblinton, not for McCain.
Many Libs may not even go to the polls if its a Clinton/MCCain matchup...Thats the sentiment that I here from several Lib friends that I know..here in NC.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - TOGC - 03-06-2008 07:23 AM
RebelKev Wrote:Fo Shizzle Wrote:I dont think this really has any impact at all...the Hawks and Religous Right will approve and it will help raise funds....The Libs are NOT going to vote for MCWar anyway shouldnt be suprised.
....and most conservatives are going to be voting against Oblinton, not for McCain.
And protest votes usually lose. See Kerry.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - TOGC - 03-06-2008 07:24 AM
Fo Shizzle Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:Fo Shizzle Wrote:I dont think this really has any impact at all...the Hawks and Religous Right will approve and it will help raise funds....The Libs are NOT going to vote for MCWar anyway shouldnt be suprised.
....and most conservatives are going to be voting against Oblinton, not for McCain.
Many Libs may not even go to the polls if its a Clinton/MCCain matchup...Thats the sentiment that I here from several Lib friends that I know..here in NC.
Libs will go either way. Both Clinton and Obama are outraising McCain on campaign funds by an unbelievable margin.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - ShoreBuc - 03-06-2008 08:18 AM
the other Greg Childers Wrote:Fo Shizzle Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:Fo Shizzle Wrote:I dont think this really has any impact at all...the Hawks and Religous Right will approve and it will help raise funds....The Libs are NOT going to vote for MCWar anyway shouldnt be suprised.
....and most conservatives are going to be voting against Oblinton, not for McCain.
Many Libs may not even go to the polls if its a Clinton/MCCain matchup...Thats the sentiment that I here from several Lib friends that I know..here in NC.
Libs will go either way. Both Clinton and Obama are outraising McCain on campaign funds by an unbelievable margin.
I would not read too much into that. Democrats have been far more exicted about their candidates this primary season and the thought of winning back the White House so donors have come out of the wood work. Republicans on the other hand have not been as excited about their candidates and as a result have not cut many checks.
The Republican National Committee however still has more cash on hand then the DNC because most Republicans like me while not excited about an individual candidate still continued to give to the RNC. Now that McCain is the nominee and with the prospect of an Obama or Hillary White House, McCain will have no problem raising the money he needs to be competitive.
As for this thread it only makes sense for McCain to visit Bush at the White House. Bush still has very high approval ratings with the core of the Republican party and that is the group that cuts most of the checks. Bush will be a fund raising machine for McCain and to turn that down would be foolish. Besides in the meeting yesterday you had Bush with a 30% approval rating and McCain part of the group in Congress with a 19% approval rating.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - Rebel - 03-06-2008 09:06 AM
the other Greg Childers Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:Fo Shizzle Wrote:I dont think this really has any impact at all...the Hawks and Religous Right will approve and it will help raise funds....The Libs are NOT going to vote for MCWar anyway shouldnt be suprised.
....and most conservatives are going to be voting against Oblinton, not for McCain.
And protest votes usually lose. See Kerry.
I voted that way in '00 and '04. Seemed to work out for me.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - Ninerfan1 - 03-06-2008 09:21 AM
the other Greg Childers Wrote:Libs will go either way. Both Clinton and Obama are outraising McCain on campaign funds by an unbelievable margin.
Clinton and Obama are both still fighting a primary fight. McCain secured the nomination a few weeks back.
In the general he gets access to 10's of millions of dollars and will be raising money at the same time as well.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - WoodlandsOwl - 03-06-2008 09:25 AM
ShoreBuc Wrote:The Republican National Committee however still has more cash on hand then the DNC because most Republicans like me while not excited about an individual candidate still continued to give to the RNC. Now that McCain is the nominee and with the prospect of an Obama or Hillary White House, McCain will have no problem raising the money he needs to be competitive.
As for this thread it only makes sense for McCain to visit Bush at the White House. Bush still has very high approval ratings with the core of the Republican party and that is the group that cuts most of the checks. Bush will be a fund raising machine for McCain and to turn that down would be foolish.
At this moment RNC has $25 million in the bank set aside for the General Election... with more on the way. I have no doubt that W can double that on the rubber chicken circuit.
Also remember the DNC is going to have to pay for the "redo" of the Florida and Michigan Primaries. That could easily be $10 million per state, for "live voting"... A "Mail In" has been estimated to cost $3-$6 million. You know Hillary won't pay for it, and Obama will raise hell if they ask him to pay for it.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - uhmump95 - 03-06-2008 05:02 PM
RebelKev Wrote:....and most conservatives are going to be voting against Oblinton, not for McCain.I don't like Oblinton. Next time can you try Obanton or Cintama instead ....
RE: The Bush Endorsement - Fo Shizzle - 03-06-2008 05:18 PM
RebelKev Wrote:the other Greg Childers Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:Fo Shizzle Wrote:I dont think this really has any impact at all...the Hawks and Religous Right will approve and it will help raise funds....The Libs are NOT going to vote for MCWar anyway shouldnt be suprised.
....and most conservatives are going to be voting against Oblinton, not for McCain.
And protest votes usually lose. See Kerry.
I voted that way in '00 and '04. Seemed to work out for me.
Just because we get to elect our Master...does not mean that we are not slaves....The force of government will continue unhindered.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - TOGC - 03-06-2008 06:29 PM
Ninerfan1 Wrote:the other Greg Childers Wrote:Libs will go either way. Both Clinton and Obama are outraising McCain on campaign funds by an unbelievable margin.
Clinton and Obama are both still fighting a primary fight. McCain secured the nomination a few weeks back.
In the general he gets access to 10's of millions of dollars and will be raising money at the same time as well.
He also drops out of the public eye, while the eventual Democratic nominee gets more and more free press all the way to the convention floor.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - WoodlandsOwl - 03-07-2008 09:15 AM
the other Greg Childers Wrote:He also drops out of the public eye, while the eventual Democratic nominee gets more and more free press all the way to the convention floor.
Yes... "Free Press" like this....
Obama Aide: Hillary Clinton's a Monster..
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp
Clinton Aide Wolfson Compares Obama to Ken Starr
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080307/D8V8BHP00.html
RE: The Bush Endorsement - Ninerfan1 - 03-07-2008 09:43 AM
the other Greg Childers Wrote:Ninerfan1 Wrote:the other Greg Childers Wrote:Libs will go either way. Both Clinton and Obama are outraising McCain on campaign funds by an unbelievable margin.
Clinton and Obama are both still fighting a primary fight. McCain secured the nomination a few weeks back.
In the general he gets access to 10's of millions of dollars and will be raising money at the same time as well.
He also drops out of the public eye, while the eventual Democratic nominee gets more and more free press all the way to the convention floor.
Free press isn't always a good thing bub. When there's nothing else to focus on but the dems, the press gets bored with fluff stories.
You're seeing it everyday now.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - TOGC - 03-07-2008 09:58 AM
Ninerfan1 Wrote:the other Greg Childers Wrote:Ninerfan1 Wrote:the other Greg Childers Wrote:Libs will go either way. Both Clinton and Obama are outraising McCain on campaign funds by an unbelievable margin.
Clinton and Obama are both still fighting a primary fight. McCain secured the nomination a few weeks back.
In the general he gets access to 10's of millions of dollars and will be raising money at the same time as well.
He also drops out of the public eye, while the eventual Democratic nominee gets more and more free press all the way to the convention floor.
Free press isn't always a good thing bub. When there's nothing else to focus on but the dems, the press gets bored with fluff stories.
You're seeing it everyday now.
Meanwhile, McCain has to jumpstart his campaign and remind people that he's running too.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - WoodlandsOwl - 03-07-2008 10:12 AM
the other Greg Childers Wrote:Meanwhile, McCain has to jumpstart his campaign and remind people that he's running too.
Its much easier to collect checks from contributors. McCain only has to respond to the occasional blast directed at him while they are taking shots at each other.
He just uses this same stump speech over and over...
"My friends, while both of my potential opponets are acting like children, and engaging in questionable political tactics,... I'm here today to tell you of my plans and leadership to cure the problems we face today......"
RE: The Bush Endorsement - TOGC - 03-07-2008 10:23 AM
WMD Owl Wrote:the other Greg Childers Wrote:Meanwhile, McCain has to jumpstart his campaign and remind people that he's running too.
Its much easier to collect checks from contributors. McCain only has to respond to the occasional blast directed at him while they are taking shots at each other.
He just uses this same stump speech over and over...
"My friends, while both of my potential opponets are acting like children, and engaging in questionable political tactics,... I'm here today to tell you of my plans and leadership to cure the problems we face today......"
.....while having to answer questions from the conservative base about his amnesty plan for immigration reform, voting against the Bush tax cuts, McCain-Feingold, and alienating the religious right.
That "political maverick" career of his will bite him in the rear every time he has to stand in front of a group of real conservatives. McCain's biggest enemy is himself.
RE: The Bush Endorsement - GGniner - 03-07-2008 11:53 AM
the other Greg Childers Wrote:WMD Owl Wrote:the other Greg Childers Wrote:Meanwhile, McCain has to jumpstart his campaign and remind people that he's running too.
Its much easier to collect checks from contributors. McCain only has to respond to the occasional blast directed at him while they are taking shots at each other.
He just uses this same stump speech over and over...
"My friends, while both of my potential opponets are acting like children, and engaging in questionable political tactics,... I'm here today to tell you of my plans and leadership to cure the problems we face today......"
.....while having to answer questions from the conservative base about his amnesty plan for immigration reform, voting against the Bush tax cuts, McCain-Feingold, and alienating the religious right.
That "political maverick" career of his will bite him in the rear every time he has to stand in front of a group of real conservatives. McCain's biggest enemy is himself.
his biggest asset is that Obama is to the Left of the Senates lone self-admitted Socialist, Bernie Sanders. and Half the country already hates Hillary, and his work is done there.
aside from that, McCain has alot in his record for conservatives to like. he may have voted against the bush tax cuts as payback, but he has a career of Fiscal Conservatism and Supply Side tax cutting. He is pro-life, strong on defense and a National Hero. His personal story as a POW we will be hearing alot about. I can see future ads pointing out how he refused to leave the POW camp and stayed an extra 4 years with his soldiers compared to his political courage to support the Surge and Victory/Honor while the "easy way out" politically was bypassed. just like the easy way out for him, while being bad for the country, he passed on to remain a POW and be tortured. the Vietcong wanted to use him for propaganda
in the End, the crazy Left that even George McGovern is calling out now, is McCain's asset with the conservative base.